Kinda makes a bit more sense when you consider that the school is in Sultan, Washington and it’s address is on Turk Drive.
But also: Washington state… redneck?
As someone from the east side of the state, it definitely fits. Friends joke that I live in West Idaho.
People always expect Oregon and Washington to be super liberal but once you leave the city it’s a bunch of hicks in the woods (respectfully)
Pretty much the story of every blue state.
Red Country, Blue City is pretty much the case with every state. The most liberal people I’ve ever met were in Asheville, North Carolina, and I’ve never been surrounded by more MAGA-loving chuds than when I spent a summer in Redding, California.
Former Asheville punk, turned loose in the hick side of southwest Nova Scotia. I’ve seen a disturbing amount of MAGA here, enough to rivel my time in North Carolina… But In Canada.
Shit is wild. Everyone here is xenophobic and racist as it gets.
Also former. Did you get gentrified out of the city too? Have you been back since you left? That town is unrecognizable even to how it was just ten years ago.
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I don’t even expect Portland to be super liberal. That city has a long history with the KKK.
They tried to make Oregon a whites only state a long while back. Not even wanting slaves, during 1857 when they applied for Statehood they both banned slavery and any free black people from existing in the state. It was more of a “We don’t even want to see them” kind of hatred.
Pretty sure I also heard about how the clan and the Catholic Church formed an alliance to keep the Chinese immigrants out. It worked, then they turned on each other. Because of course that’s what would happen.
That’s some of why East Tennessee and West Virginia sided with the Union in the Civil War, too.
It wasn’t uncommon at the time.
East TN, West(ern) VA (West Virginia, the state, was admitted to the Union as a breakaway from Virginia State in 1863), and West NC didn’t really benefit from slavery like the rest of their states. There were plenty of independence/Pro-Union movements in that region at the time, like The State of Scott.
My aunt lives in Sultan and all I can say is: yep.
Does it though? Like saying the Germantown school mascot should be the Krauts.
Other Options:
Viziers
Janissaries
Genies
Bombards
Footstools
Istan-Bulls
Harem Girls
Mhmm
Wait, what were we talking about again?
I was about to comment how cool the name Bombards would be, but then I read the Istan-Bulls and sorry but you should be legally obligated to go with that name when it’s an option, it’s that good.
And their fans are bull-stans then?
Better than their previous name: the Constanti-No-Bulls
Constant Nobles.
Why they changed it I can’t say
People just liked it better that way
Thats nobodies business but the Turks
Janissaries
When you want to make it even worse…
As an European, I can confirm that all Americans (south and north) are Yankee rednecks
Eastern European = Southern America.
Hey, Yanks live in real America, those fake Americans to the north and south of us don’t qualify. They can be rednecks, but not Yanks.
As a Texan, I can’t read goddamn thing between my wild diabetes eyes and rampant illiteracy
How can you afford wild diabetes in 2024? Even pasture raised costs an arm and a leg.
Five minutes out the cities or cross the mountains to the east or go on the peninsula or drive south or north…
Puget Sound has population high density and mostly dominates the politics of the state.
Outside of Seattle/Tacoma, very redneck. Get up to the mountains where they make all the meth and the cattle farms are pretty redneck too, but they have stripper coffee shacks nearby.
Stripper coffee is where ladies strip? And there’s hot beverages?
Pretty much hit the nail on the head right there. That’s exactly what they are.
So are we talking Christina Ricci in chains or more like Kim Basinger riding Michael Shannon?
This is the first time I’ve heard about these stripper coffee shacks. I want reviews (since I doubt I’ll have enough money to ever visit one)
They’re usually called bikini baristas and its a woman in a bikini or lingerie who makes coffee. Some got busted years back for doing handies.
I have never actually patronized one but there’s a few in my area, mostly in gas station parking lots. The operations can be pretty fucking rough.
I always cringe when I see the poor girl throwing on a bathrobe to cart the wastewater across the lot to the gas station slop drain since there’s no internal plumbing in her road facing booth.
Yup, I used to live near Seattle and passed a couple on my way to literally anywhere. A lot have a cowgirl theme (one near me was shaped like a boot). I don’t know how good their beverages are (never went to one), but they were quite popular, because sex sells.
I never heard about the handies, but it honestly doesn’t surprise me. I did hear about massage parlors having happy endings, which is largely the same thing. WA is usually pretty lax about enforcement of stuff like that unless there’s a complaint.
They’re pretty cheap if you’re in the area, but they are also as trashy as you would expect. My review is… like if you combined a Starbucks and a Hooters with less clothes, put them in a food truck or temporary shack // shed like easy to set up location and most of them have a drive through option if you need coffee and titties on the go. It’s not as crazy as it sounds and I’m actually surprised they really aren’t a more common thing. I guess one thing that helps is that it is illegal to sell alcohol at a strip club in Washington State so strip clubs were already in the coffee business when the idea was created. It’s a little funny because all the strip clubs let you BYOB, you just can’t buy or sell it at the club.
Oh yeah, I’ve been around the country enough to know that anywhere outside of the city is Red, no matter what state you’re in, but “Redneck” just has a very specific southern connotation to me.
I lived near Federal Way, and by driving just 15 min, I could go see people riding horses, idiots rolling coal, and trailer trash communities and everything. Just a block or two over from my house, I’d see the stereotypical furniture and appliances littering front lawns. A block or two the other direction was typical was typical PNW neighborhoods with cedar shake roofs nestled into the evergreens. And a few blocks beyond that would be someone with a couple cows on a massive field.
WA is an odd place. I’m in Utah now in a similar community, and there seems to be far fewer “rednecks” in my area. There are some farms, but I guess there just isn’t as much “liberal” culture to visibly resist or something. Our actual rednecks live a bit further out, and they’re probably more extreme (have some DezNat nonsense here in the sticks). We have more lifted trucks, whereas in WA they’d be older work trucks (they actually have hay to move).
You don’t even have to go that far, I used to live in a coastal Navy town that had a meth problem. I bought my car from a dealership that got busted 6 months later. KFC was where they sold the meth that was cooked in the Ford dealership across the street. I almost miss Oak Harbor…
I believe it. Even here in California small mountain towns tend to lean heavily conservative
Yes, if you’re more than an hour from Seattle/ half an hour from Spokane you’re probably in redneck territory
Can confirm. I grew up about 30 min from Seattle and was on the border of redneck territory. I played high school sports with schools out “in the country” and was able a 15 min drive from some ranches and whatnot.
WA is a very weird place.
My small town’s mascot was the Tigers. The next town to the north? Tigers. The town west of us? Their school shut down in 1997, but they were Tigers, too. The town south? Panthers. There is a town in the next county north that also is the Panthers.
Lots of big cats. No Cougars/Pumas/Mountain Lions, despite the fact that they’re totally a native species. There was one town whose mascot was the Bobcats.
My catholic school growing up was the Wildcats. Every catholic school seemed to be called the Wildcats. Then I found out the city’s catholic high school has the Buttons as their mascot. The Central High School Buttons. San Antonio, TX.
My High School was not a sport high school. More or less all the cool kids were what would be considered the band nerds and arts took up half the foot print of the school.
We were originally officially the… Ahem… “Tillicums and Frontiersmen”. Which most kids were only vaguely aware of. There were no mascots, our teams basically just used our town’s name and sport was one of those things you like vaguely knew was happening. Nobody used the team names because we all thought it was stupid.
About 15 years ago the conversation developed that it was a pretty colonial name and not cool and they changed it around the same time three other schools in neighboring towns did theirs. All three towns seemingly independently (a student led conspiracy was suspected but never confirmed) all named their school teams “the (insert school name here) Storm”.
So now there’s just three teams all called Storm with zero mascots and people continue to not give a damn about sports… So I guess sometimes you get a theme?
Big cats, wolves, eagles, and uncomfortable caricatures of people. Heaven forbid a school ever choose, like, a local frog or hedgehog or whatever for a mascot.
There’s also Catholic schools with crusaders which may be more concerning than the caricatures
I dont get it, can someone ELI5?
ELI5: It’s politically incorrect to use a group of people as a mascot.
ELIHypocrisy: This mostly gained momentum after an NFL team called the Redskins started getting flak for basically using what became a derogatory name for native americans as a mascot/team name. Pejoration is neat.
The pendulum kept swinging and it removed even non-derogatory names as mascots.
So what could be a different legitimate name used to represent being awesome and excelling on a team where you’re supposed to win constantly started getting shut down. Think Chiefs, Blackhawks (switched to the bird not the people), but they keep the name because these are okay despite plenty of people being able to use almost any cultural group in a derogatory way.
I understand it, but it felt like the usual smart changes that went too far. I blame white people white knighting / virtue signalling too much.
RIP Mia from Land O Lakes butter. You can understand it, you don’t have to like it. The opinion of the masses doesn’t require logic, only momentum. Doesn’t matter if the mascot was an accurate representation of someone, by those people, paid, generally loved, white folk will still kill it.
E: It’s okay if they’re primarily associated with white people or the in-group… or certain country people… not some white people though… or some people from certain countries… or some people from certain geological areas.
Americans, Texans, Yankees? Fine.
Irish, Canucks, Indians? You’ll need context.
Turks, Sicilians, Confederates? Probably not fine since they’re too brown or too American. Americans? That’s fine though, even though Americans killed far more natives than Confederates ever did through systematic governmental genocide… Indians? Ok, Dot not feather Indians get that one now… turns out racism is pretty universal but it’s okay if you’re part of the in group. Don’t emphasize what makes them unique or it’s racist… New characterization requires that you don’t emphasize what makes someone unique even if it’s a point of pride or completely relevant to their people.
Does it matter if you name your team after yourselves? No. Still not fine. You have to first remove the name, wait a period, then give yourself the name back. It has to be allowed to marinate in PC limbo like colored people, african american, black, or people of color.
You have to know what arbitrary linguistic rules people decided are more correct despite them all attempting to describe the same thing. Like trying to approximate someone’s skin color/genetic heritage and/or ethnicity.
People first language! Because it’s better if X is first and not Y…despite describing the same thing and fuck you for not knowing any better by not being part of the In-Group!
Conclusion: People can try to logic their way through it all the way they want, but the ELI5 is the true part. They’ll want exceptions for everything though as long as it’s about yourselves… despite some people being forced to be those things against their will or having no to little ability to change where they we from or what professions they got into. Or that names and terms change meaning constantly and it’s a futile attempt to give yourself an exception because it’s all about you, not about others… even though it is lol.
My high school mascot was the Indian, and after a lot of debate and pitches they decided to change it to Tribe. Because that’s better somehow.
That makes sense, the pc police havent had anything to complain about lately. Ew its so offensive.
PC police has it’s place. Just like the regular police, they take it too far.
Don’t say overtly racist and bigoted shit. If you do on accident, stop and learn for next time. Don’t shun outgroups for not knowing.
The etymology for some of the linguistic gymnastics is so stupidly human though.
Turks? They call themselves Turks, exonym aside… The representation is accurate to their old look. They’re being portrayed as awesome and badass and not dumb shitters…
If there’s nothing wrong with Americans, or Canucks, then there should be nothing wrong with Turks, Blackhawks, Chiefs, etc lol.
So what is the problem? Is anon some kind of prod racist or what?
I don’t think many actual Turkish people would be offended by this.
Looks like Nasretin Hoca meets Sinbad. Then again, I see literally a “black beard” which is a slur I’m not going to translate here.
the fucking turks
If that’s the face he makes while he’s fucking then I think he’s doing it wrong
Maybe he’s the one getting fucked…
Cuz, for some reason, he folds it in half before inserting it
That’s the face he makes when doing yo momma!
nice, real’ classy
I may have graduated from this high school…
This looks like fighting Turks. Fucking Turks would be different
…I think?
Oh my god, I was born in Pekin, though I never spent any time there. That’s fucking nuts
It’s totarry clazy
Huh. lemmy.ml also censors links, it seems. This is what I see:
https://ccamuseum.org/1981-the-pekin-*removed*-high-school-team-becomes-the-pekin-dragons/
Didn’t know it censored, but the censored item is a racial slur so that makes sense. Prolly have to search pekin high school becomes pekin dragons
I know. If I want to see it I can simply click on the fediverse button on the comment to see what the instance that sent it sees.
Rhymes with links, like how you might shorten “chicken links” into a one-syllable word. Put that where "removed " is and you’re golden.
That’s fucking badass
We had a boring enough mascot, but my highschool had separate black and white homecoming kings & queens… In 1998.
Pretty sure that was illegal at the time…
They’re usually done as private parties with invites required and off campus. That way you can’t sue the school.
https://observer.com/2019/05/prom-integration-dance-segregation-still-happens/
Mine was the eagles. Pretty boring!
Eagles rock.
We were the Trojans, which is a fancy way of saying Turks from a specific region.
You keep saying that, but it is very much not true.
But it is. Troy is in Turkey, and ancient Trojans were Hittites, an Anatolian people. They were gone as a culture by the time the Turks arrived, but the region has more recent history as Turkish and Anatolian than anything else, so I don’t think any other culture can really claim it other than Turkey. The famous “Trojan War” likely never happened, so the affiliation of Greek military with Troy makes no sense.
So yes, I think Trojan should mean “Turk” because it’s currently in Turkey and no other culture has a reasonable claim to it. They may not have been Turks at the time, but Turks claim it now.
“No other culture can claim it” well Turkey sure as shit can’t claim it as they wouldn’t come anywhere near Anatolia until about two thousand years after Troy was destroyed and forgotten. Trojan culture simply doesn’t exist anymore, whatever it was.
Maybe Trojan culture is the friends the Turks made along the way. :)
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Pan Turinism
Were you allowed to rock the Casbah?
Are they young? Do they dress in suits and chase Cloud Strife?
That’s nobody’s business but the Turks!
I feel like if an LLM spat this out every time the word “Turk” is mentioned they’d do a few more iterations before launch but in any comment thread on Reddit or Lemmy we get this wonderful reverse Turing test
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.
