Sorry to post my shitty neofetch to this community
somebody never reads the logs
Both Android and ChromeOS are Linux, and Google’s spying there…
Your logical inference is wrong.
Do we really need to bring back “GNU/Linux” for the pedants?
It’s funny how Linux is only Linux if it benefits Linux nerds but the moment someone points out that Android, Chrome, Steam Deck, anything with telemetry and Linux has telemetry all of a sudden it’s not “really Linux” anymore.
It really is Schrodinger’s OS.
@CapraObscura @sin_free_for_00_days
I think steam deck is usually considered linux.
Benefits to proton after all make it out to linux. ChromeOS and Android are more debatable, although Google does submit a lot of code upstream to the kernel.
It’s the first time I hear that Steam OS isn’t Linux. Why wouldn’t it be considered as such?
Nah, it’s just easier to refer to GNU/Linux as Linux. None of the GNU stuff is in Android, so it really is -just- Linux. Steam Deck is a fair point, they modified some distro a lot and made it their own (like Microsoft modifying chromium to make the edge browser). But yeah, Linux nerds be like that.
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This is one of the reasons why I think something like “Freedesktop Platform” is a more appropriate term than “Linux”.
We should all be thankful that ChromeOS is flaming hot garbage that no one should be using on UX alone.
Very sadly ChromeOS has a significant market share thanks to schools.
Why are they using it rather than windows?
Probably because Google encourages OEMs to keep the hardware dirt cheap so that they can expose as many kids as possible to Google everything and they can harvest their data for life.
CHEAP hardware
CHEAP e-waste
My nephew’s school has been using the same Chromebooks for at least the four years he’s been there.
How long do you expect them to last?
Exists complains about the Chromebooks for schools, they expect to last 8 years but that count when the chromebooks is made and not when is shipped to school and sometimes the chromebook only last a couple of years. Besides that the chromebook itself is not very friendly with the repairability.
They’ll last until either: the school stops using gsuite or some other company comes up with something even trendier to market that is cheap enough to justify a grant.
And “easy” central control.
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CalyxOS for your pixel phone. Degoogle that baby.
Calyx isn’t as secure as GrapheneOS
It’s a lot easier to install and more secure than not having anything. Good option for people who don’t have a lot of skill in this area.
Is the phone still usable as it was before or are there apps/capabilities that won’t work after the install?
There’s restrictions
Bank apps may not work and wallet tends to just be random
Will the bank website work fine? I don’t use the wallet.
Should do yeah
GrapheneOS has a web installer. Talk to me about ease of installation
Is Graphene degoogled from the start? I get all my apps from F-Droid anyway, so is it good?
Imagine thinking OSS doesn’t spy on you 🤣
User name checks out.
I’m sure I had no idea when I picked it out. None.
All is fine. I just liked it
reads source code
Oh look I know exactly what it does and what libraries it uses, I don’t have to hope and pray like a closed source cuck.
Thanks for showing everyone how amazingly stupid you are.
When was the last time you read any source code for any software you use on a daily basis?
Do you read and understand the source code for every piece of software you use?
No?
Then STFU.
You had a whole ass argument with yourself huh? Impressive.
I see no response. I assume I am correct. Feel free to stop talking.
Wrong on all accounts, and you didn’t seem to want a response but go off I guess.
Yeah… Except if the compiler is backdoored. Ken Thompson explained this back in the day. If the compiler is compromised, there ultimately isn’t a way to see if there’s something malicious going on. Brodie Robertson does a good job explaining this.
This is wading into paranoid schizo territory and I wish you the best of luck going down that path because there is no upper limit to distrust.
Oh I totally agree. I find these sort of arguments around privacy and security more interesting than they are concerning, cuz yeah, ultimately if someone wants the data badly enough, they’ll get it.
In my personal life, I like to explore all the privacy related gadgets/software I can for two reasons. One is that its just kind of fun. And the other is because ultimately I don’t want to make it all that easy for every bit of my personal life to be laid bare on the internet.
Like I said, if somebody wants my data bad enough, they’ll get it. But I suppose that puts the onus on me (and the developers of the software I trust), to make the data NOT all that easy to get.
Implying that all Linux users have read the source code of the distro they’re running (assuming the majority is able to).
It’s called a community for a reason.
So in the end you’re just trusting other people to check it for you…
You said if they aren’t able.
In the end, for the vast majority of users, the result is the same as people using closed source software, they’re trusting other people to be acting in good faith.
Maybe, but with open source they have a choice because they can learn and gain more freedom, closed source simply demands obedience and promotes ignorance.
Lolololol 👌
Software getting pegged with cves left and right because of hundreds of source libraries is definitely not a thing.
Unless you are one of the few people writing go routines for massive companies, or working on hardware and low level hardware where you have low resources where scaling can mean millions you are writing code using hundreds of dependencies and libraries.
Very very few people need to code like that.
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working
He is not working, he is also not taking his madication it seems.
Pretty sure Google also spies through the OS.
It depends of the OS. The vast majority of Android devices " yes". But there are few exceptions like GrapheneOS for example, where Google code was almost completely purged from the system except from the firmware level (unfortunately), for basic reasons.
All you can really do is make the spying as difficult as possible. That’s really all we can do 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
True. And unfortunately certain privacy measures can make it easier to digitally fingerprint you as a user. Also my mind is still blown since I learned about canvas fingerprinting. EFF.org describes it as follows:
Canvas fingerprinting is invisible to the user. A tracker can create a “canvas” in your browser, and generate a complicated collage of shapes, colors, and text using JavaScript. Then, with the resulting collage, the tracker extracts data about exactly how each pixel on the canvas is rendered. Many variables will affect the final result. These include your operating system, graphics card, firmware version, graphics driver version, and installed fonts.
These settings are different from one computer to the next. But they tend to be consistent enough on a single machine to clearly identify a user.
Linux*
*Except Ubuntu
How is Ubuntu spying?
Idk that they are overtly spying, but they have telemetry reporting turned on by default now, and you have to manually turn it off. There has been concern in the community over what they’re doing with that data.
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Oh honey
I have a Mac 💀
yet an another dead repost.
linux is not inherently immune ya’ll
Y’all* :)
I think it is funny that this community thinks it knows everything about privacy and security and every time I see a post like this it becomes apparent that the main of this community doesn’t.
I like the Fediverse but it is a security and privacy nightmare.
I know what you mean. It suck but whatever it’s better than giving data to a big company.
I mean, in this way we are basically giving data to every big company, aren’t we?
The important thing is: it’s not traced back to you. It’s possible to see everything for everyone, sure. But nobody knows that it’s you and that’s why it’s not as much worth
Well technically I am using a Google pixel phone to access Lemmy through an app that I downloaded from their store, using the same phone and ISP that I use to chat with my mother on Facebook Messenger, shop on Marketplace, order on Amazon and check my mails. I also tried the connect-your-phone thing to read my SMS on the computer, so Microsoft also got in.
Everyone knows everything I do at this point.
I don’t know where you live but in most of the world it would be illegal for them to spy on what you do in the apps. Yes, Google knows that you use Lemmy and also Facebook knows that. But they are not allowed to spy on what you do inside those apps and can’t link your account to your phone if you don’t use an app that sells this data (aka Sync)
That’s not how it works though? They don’t need to know “who you are,” because with ads you have a unique identifying number. If you are browsing the web and your ads become more catered to you then you are giving data somewhere.
Privacy is about maintaining as little about yourself as personally possible. That is what gets me about this app. Half the users on here have very little idea how the Internet works. Privacy and security aren’t about going, “I support open source and decentralized software so the big man doesn’t have my data,” but that is not how that works at all. Just because you aren’t giving your data to Mark Zuckerberg and you don’t support Facebook doesn’t mean you aren’t exposing your giving data to someone else.
I also truly don’t think Lemmy users realize how exposed they are potentially making themselves. Even if the API is free and your app is open source and it isn’t Elon Musk showing you your image of a cat does not mean you are private and secure.
Lemmy services and instances are hosted on a server and use an API that is open to anyone and everyone that wants to host an instance and community. So instead you are entrusting your data to someone you don’t know on their hardware that you don’t know anything about.
From a security and privacy point of view Lemmy is a nightmare. Mastadon, etc. Even if your data is encrypted or passed along secure channels and you can migrate your data to some other instances does not mean you are safe. That is not how the law works either. If a national government agency shows up and issues an order for their server data and that data isn’t protected properly by the host well then you are exposed. The people acting like they know something more because you decided to pay for Sync or because you want to use Windows or Google literally no zero fucks about privacy and data.
No, thats exactly it. When you post something on reddit, Google collects your browser information for your “unique identifying number” by having scripts implemented into Reddits site. Google then knows, that u/Prethoryn is your account and they can then collect the data from your reddit account and link it to you.
But your Lemmy instance (so far) does not do that. You post something here and google sees that some “[email protected]” guy wrote something, but their data-collecting can’t link it to your unique identifying number, because lemmy.world does not collect that information from you. And of course, your comment is federated to thousands of other instances. But they also can’t sell more information than what is available when you look at Google. If lemmy.world decides to implement tracking, this of course changes. But for now, your comment is not linked to you and it’s definitely a step up in privacy (regarding companies) than before.
The other aspect of privacy, personal privacy, is of course not so good on the fediverse and that’s where your points make valid sense. If you want to delete your comments because your friends discovered your secret account, it’s basically impossible because of the federation.
Its basically a giant townhall. Anything you say is public.
It would be, if users were convinced it is anything other than a public place.
Google: I only spy the web
Oh you poor child…
How many years has it been since chrome had a “bug” that had it activate some “antivirus” project that was scanning files on the entire machine even when it wasn’t running?
Google : “i only spy through the web”
Me :
Google spy through android as well
And chromeos
Mmm, chromeos 🤤
I use lineageOS because of this
or if your device has a maintainer willing: EvolutionX. im surprised how painless of an experience this custom rom is. and it’s got no bullshit stuff in it either. fucking crazy. they even got ota support… it’s like oem rom experience, only, there’s no third party spyware installed(excluding GApps. but even google’s telemetry can be highly restricted when we install AFWall+ and use NextDns+Adaway along with it). it’s been years(close to a decade actually) since I’ve used an oem rom on my personal phone, it’s just that good
I’ll be switching to Lineage soon…
Google forced my manufacturer (Fairphone) to effectively ‘disable’ the fingerprint scanner from android 13 onwards for the FP3. Our Lineage fork reverted that Google mandated change thankfully
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Me too I use Lineage for microg and I haven’t had any compatibility issues
Degoogled my Tab.
Microsoft: Gets slapped with antitrust lawsuits for including Internet Exploder with Windows.
Microsoft: Hold my beer.
I’ll hold it. To pour it over their head. lol Edge the assimilated Chrome. most of their desktop apps open links in Edge instead of the default browser. I installed ‘no script’ on Edge and links open to a blank tab on MSN. copy links to my prefered browser. would be on linux except for one game I like
I use Opensuse for everything bar gaming. I dual boot to Win10 for any games I want to play. This setup works pretty well for me.
Same, but with Arch and Win11
I do miss the AUR. I may return to Arch at some point.
Same with Mint and Win10, but almost everything runs on Mint
Yeah, honestly Linux gaming has come a LONG way in the past few years. I rarely need to boot into Windows nowadays.
I did that with Gentoo and W11 but got sick of Windows messing with the EFI boot order and ended up nuking it. Proton games only from here on out.
tried that once. I worked in IT for many years. server monkey. mostly used VMs on large rack mount hardware for linux/windows servers running various services for a college. forget what that system was called. mostly retired the last 10 years. windows 10-11 took away my left side task bar option and I quit playing the one game. thinking about a new linux box with maybe a windows partition for dos games. VMs don’t usually play nice with games. current dust filter:
case: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/cases/haf-xb-evo/
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Do 3rd-party stores work on iOS?
F-Droid works quite well on my Google Pixel
Sort of, but you have to either mess with self-signing and reinstalling weekly, or trusting a 3rd party with mobile device management. Not great options.
Ah so not really natively then.
F-droid is (of course) not available in the Play Store, but it’s trivial to download and install it from their website after allowing your browser permission to initiate app installs.
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In iOS 15 we should see side loading of apps from 3rd party stores. I think this was the result of an EU ruling? Hopefully someone else can confirm.
You mean iOS 17?
Ah! Thanks. Yes I got my upcoming numbers muddled. it’s the iPhone 15 and iOS 17. My bad.
You can just install a third party store and update apps through that easily…
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It hasn’t been hit directly but the EU Digital Markets Act will make that behaviour illegal, among other things.
Personally, I just sideload a couple of apps and they tend to not have issues. It’s kinda nice
