Sorry to post my shitty neofetch to this community
Linux*
*Except Ubuntu
How is Ubuntu spying?
Idk that they are overtly spying, but they have telemetry reporting turned on by default now, and you have to manually turn it off. There has been concern in the community over what they’re doing with that data.
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Oh honey
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“Lol nobody can spy me, I put tape on the camera”. Quote from my mother…
I hope she actually said lol.
Well… at least she won’t be deepfaked. So there’s that.
I’m way more concerned about my microphone than my camera
Duck tape it!
I wish my only privacy concern was stolen nudes. Ignorance can be bliss.
I signed up for a credit card once, in person on paper. Never heard back, discovered tears later several cards had been opened kn my name and left delinquent. Fuck me for trying to apply for my frost credit card, apparently.
I have started to hate Brave with how much of their BS that they have added in the browser. Things like VPN, Rewards , Wallet, News and more. Heck, Chrome now seems better to me bcoz of all these
features(bloat) they have managed to add. Same with Edge.reminder to use firefox with privacy extensions
Or use librewolf whoch is a foek of firefox just with all the privacy related stuff preinstalled like ublock.
But can it group tabs on Android?
Afaik yes. I don’t use that feature tho.
Fuck Mozilla
Just, why?
Supporting deplatforming and censorship
Brave solves one set of problems… And replaces them with an entirely different set of problems. I’ll stick with Firefox.
Firefox is not safer. It’s just a different browser for people who don’t like to say ‘chrome’ in their mouths . It’s not really any different in the safety. It’s like how people think private browsing is private but it’s not. It’s just a comfort label.
Do you KNOW anything about online privacy?
Not using Chrome is a great first step since your browsing data isn’t directly fed to Gogle. Not using Gogle as your search engine is just the next step. Just by doing this you have mostly ridden G*ogle of the ability to know what you’ve been searching, but they can still get around.
This is where using stuff like Firefox and Brave is important. Because these browsers come with built-in protection against trackers. But that’s not just it. You want MORE. Next up is installing uBlock Origin. Set it up properly and congratulations you just became essentially invisible on the web. If that isn’t enough then you’re welcome to use TOR or a VPN to completely demolish all good attempts at tracking and spying. In fact, TOR alone would be enough for most users.
You fuckers always act like having privacy online is impossible or something when it’s really not. All it comes down to is user tech literacy and knowing what do to. I don’t want a browser that straight up listens on the mic to everything I say. NOBODY who knows shit thinks that “private browsing” is safe. NOBODY. That’s why using Firefox is just one step and not all of them.
That’s a fairly simplified look at the whole picture though. Fingerprinting is a whole other beast, and Brave and Firefox and associated forks have varying and incomplete protections. For instance, only the Firefox-forked browser called Mull seems to effectively randomize data for canvas fingerprinting, whereas Firefox and Brave don’t have protections against it at all. Saying you’re essentially invisible on the Internet following your steps is pretty inaccurate. There’s way too much money in this shit; web services are fingerprinting on everything they can.
I was talking about PC, it’s just cherrypicking to assume anyone who mentions Firefox as a private browser doesn’t refer to hardened Firefox. And for the record, I use Mull. Like I said, you just need to know your shit.
You fuckers always act like having privacy online is impossible or something when it’s really not. All it comes down to is user tech literacy and knowing what do to.
And you elitist fuckers love to shame others when it should be made easier for users. Shame on you.
Google : “i only spy through the web”
Me :
somebody never reads the logs
I’m sure not everyone will agree, but honestly, I kind of stopped caring too much. I’ve been using Instagram, Google, Android, Apple, and many other service providers for years and none seems to know a lot about me based on the stuff I see being advertised to me.
None of them seem to have figured out what languages I speak (I get a lot of language courses for English and German, but I’m native in both), what my education level is (I get a lot of ‘study your bachelor or master here or there or online’ despite having two master’s degrees), where I really live (lots of British stuff always, but I live out of Europe), or what my hobbies are (lots of mobile games that I wouldn’t touch with a stick).
Yeah, it seems they get the basics (I’m male, below 35, I am interested in educational stuff), but that could be anyone… And if I can use their services for tree for them to put me in a category with some 10M others, I’m kinda okay
(I know it’s a late response but I only saw this post now and wanted to response to your particular comment) It was also the case for me because I usually didn’t consume stuff from my age or from my native language but I still stopped using their services for the most part and deactivated any kind of telemetry from them for the remaining stuff I still use because despite all of that, I still don’t want to support their business model or the companies themselves, as well as their constant push to consumerism through ads drowning. So privacy isn’t the only reason to stop letting them listen to you I think.
Question is, what business model would you support?
Ads are the thing that pay for a lot of services most people use in daily lives. Imagine you needed a paid subscription for your email, your search engine, browser, social media account(s)…
Lemmy is fun and all, but eventually it will need to expand and pay for server costs and so on. Yes, perhaps it will be carried by enthusiastic community members, but that’s just a higher paid subscription for a few rather than many.
I agree fully with you that the level of commercialisation is beyond crazy by now, and many developments do not have the user in mind. But that’s not on the business model itself, but the companies’ decisions.
Apple fanboys will lose their shit if they see this meme. I sometimes dont understand these fanboys like apple doesn’t pay them nor does they credit these idiots for word of mouth free marketing instead these idiots pay top $ to buy their product and act like them invented it. Stupid mofos!!
yeah i will never understand company fanboys they cheer for people that fuck them over it’s like putting your hand in acid and saying it’s good for you
Well it’s more the fact that they have payed top $ so it can’t be a flawed product. That’s most likely why some apple users react in that fashion.
The new Mac Pro would like a word with you LOL
That’s so true. You make a good point.
I think it is funny that this community thinks it knows everything about privacy and security and every time I see a post like this it becomes apparent that the main of this community doesn’t.
I like the Fediverse but it is a security and privacy nightmare.
It would be, if users were convinced it is anything other than a public place.
Its basically a giant townhall. Anything you say is public.
I know what you mean. It suck but whatever it’s better than giving data to a big company.
I mean, in this way we are basically giving data to every big company, aren’t we?
The important thing is: it’s not traced back to you. It’s possible to see everything for everyone, sure. But nobody knows that it’s you and that’s why it’s not as much worth
That’s not how it works though? They don’t need to know “who you are,” because with ads you have a unique identifying number. If you are browsing the web and your ads become more catered to you then you are giving data somewhere.
Privacy is about maintaining as little about yourself as personally possible. That is what gets me about this app. Half the users on here have very little idea how the Internet works. Privacy and security aren’t about going, “I support open source and decentralized software so the big man doesn’t have my data,” but that is not how that works at all. Just because you aren’t giving your data to Mark Zuckerberg and you don’t support Facebook doesn’t mean you aren’t exposing your giving data to someone else.
I also truly don’t think Lemmy users realize how exposed they are potentially making themselves. Even if the API is free and your app is open source and it isn’t Elon Musk showing you your image of a cat does not mean you are private and secure.
Lemmy services and instances are hosted on a server and use an API that is open to anyone and everyone that wants to host an instance and community. So instead you are entrusting your data to someone you don’t know on their hardware that you don’t know anything about.
From a security and privacy point of view Lemmy is a nightmare. Mastadon, etc. Even if your data is encrypted or passed along secure channels and you can migrate your data to some other instances does not mean you are safe. That is not how the law works either. If a national government agency shows up and issues an order for their server data and that data isn’t protected properly by the host well then you are exposed. The people acting like they know something more because you decided to pay for Sync or because you want to use Windows or Google literally no zero fucks about privacy and data.
No, thats exactly it. When you post something on reddit, Google collects your browser information for your “unique identifying number” by having scripts implemented into Reddits site. Google then knows, that u/Prethoryn is your account and they can then collect the data from your reddit account and link it to you.
But your Lemmy instance (so far) does not do that. You post something here and google sees that some “[email protected]” guy wrote something, but their data-collecting can’t link it to your unique identifying number, because lemmy.world does not collect that information from you. And of course, your comment is federated to thousands of other instances. But they also can’t sell more information than what is available when you look at Google. If lemmy.world decides to implement tracking, this of course changes. But for now, your comment is not linked to you and it’s definitely a step up in privacy (regarding companies) than before.
The other aspect of privacy, personal privacy, is of course not so good on the fediverse and that’s where your points make valid sense. If you want to delete your comments because your friends discovered your secret account, it’s basically impossible because of the federation.
Well technically I am using a Google pixel phone to access Lemmy through an app that I downloaded from their store, using the same phone and ISP that I use to chat with my mother on Facebook Messenger, shop on Marketplace, order on Amazon and check my mails. I also tried the connect-your-phone thing to read my SMS on the computer, so Microsoft also got in.
Everyone knows everything I do at this point.
I don’t know where you live but in most of the world it would be illegal for them to spy on what you do in the apps. Yes, Google knows that you use Lemmy and also Facebook knows that. But they are not allowed to spy on what you do inside those apps and can’t link your account to your phone if you don’t use an app that sells this data (aka Sync)
Google spy through android as well
Degoogled my Tab.
I use lineageOS because of this
or if your device has a maintainer willing: EvolutionX. im surprised how painless of an experience this custom rom is. and it’s got no bullshit stuff in it either. fucking crazy. they even got ota support… it’s like oem rom experience, only, there’s no third party spyware installed(excluding GApps. but even google’s telemetry can be highly restricted when we install AFWall+ and use NextDns+Adaway along with it). it’s been years(close to a decade actually) since I’ve used an oem rom on my personal phone, it’s just that good
I’ll be switching to Lineage soon…
Google forced my manufacturer (Fairphone) to effectively ‘disable’ the fingerprint scanner from android 13 onwards for the FP3. Our Lineage fork reverted that Google mandated change thankfully
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Me too I use Lineage for microg and I haven’t had any compatibility issues
And chromeos
Mmm, chromeos 🤤
yet an another dead repost.
linux is not inherently immune ya’ll
Y’all* :)
If you’re forced to use Windows for some things, use Windows 10 LTSC. If you can’t buy it (because Microsoft refuses to let consumers buy a non-spyware version of their OS) then sail the high seas for it. It takes the telemetry out and you’ll have full control over the OS, can more easily remove Edge and can set your group policy and other stuff to completely block telemetry to your taste.
https://ameliorated.io/ is also a handy project for those that don’t want to tinker around with group policies and other tooling. I have been using AtlasOS on my gaming machine for a few months now and the experience and performance has been splendid.
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Not an option for me unfortunately. I do simracing and the support for simracing hardware, software and the games is abysmal unfortunately.
I do use Linux on my laptop tho!
In exactly the same boat as you, except I just use driving sims in general like ETS2, assetto corsa etc.
Linux laptop gang 🤝
It just fits so well on laptops. Less power consumption, less overhead and the ability to disable useless “smart” behavior. It’s great.
Mostly iRacing, ACC and AMS2 here. But I couldn’t live without my crewchief, overlays and software for my hardware lol.
As a linux user, there are valid reasons one may wish to use Windows and some people just prefer it
I keep 11 for some machine specific settings. It is on a separate drive from Linux and it exists in a post internet age of behind a router that will never give it access to anything. If I need something for it, Linux will placed those files on a separate drive to manually carry them over to little double middle finger OS. Maybe it can have internet one day when it grows up and vomits all its source code in a bankruptcy… Assuming it is not to late to abort this little monster toddler.
Yo really? Sounds good, gonna install that for my VR machine.
Google: I only spy the web
Oh you poor child…
How many years has it been since chrome had a “bug” that had it activate some “antivirus” project that was scanning files on the entire machine even when it wasn’t running?
Very Accurate
Imagine thinking OSS doesn’t spy on you 🤣
User name checks out.
I’m sure I had no idea when I picked it out. None.
All is fine. I just liked it
reads source code
Oh look I know exactly what it does and what libraries it uses, I don’t have to hope and pray like a closed source cuck.
Thanks for showing everyone how amazingly stupid you are.
When was the last time you read any source code for any software you use on a daily basis?
Do you read and understand the source code for every piece of software you use?
No?
Then STFU.
You had a whole ass argument with yourself huh? Impressive.
I see no response. I assume I am correct. Feel free to stop talking.
Wrong on all accounts, and you didn’t seem to want a response but go off I guess.
Implying that all Linux users have read the source code of the distro they’re running (assuming the majority is able to).
It’s called a community for a reason.
So in the end you’re just trusting other people to check it for you…
You said if they aren’t able.
In the end, for the vast majority of users, the result is the same as people using closed source software, they’re trusting other people to be acting in good faith.
Maybe, but with open source they have a choice because they can learn and gain more freedom, closed source simply demands obedience and promotes ignorance.
Lolololol 👌
Software getting pegged with cves left and right because of hundreds of source libraries is definitely not a thing.
Unless you are one of the few people writing go routines for massive companies, or working on hardware and low level hardware where you have low resources where scaling can mean millions you are writing code using hundreds of dependencies and libraries.
Very very few people need to code like that.
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working
He is not working, he is also not taking his madication it seems.
Yeah… Except if the compiler is backdoored. Ken Thompson explained this back in the day. If the compiler is compromised, there ultimately isn’t a way to see if there’s something malicious going on. Brodie Robertson does a good job explaining this.
This is wading into paranoid schizo territory and I wish you the best of luck going down that path because there is no upper limit to distrust.
Oh I totally agree. I find these sort of arguments around privacy and security more interesting than they are concerning, cuz yeah, ultimately if someone wants the data badly enough, they’ll get it.
In my personal life, I like to explore all the privacy related gadgets/software I can for two reasons. One is that its just kind of fun. And the other is because ultimately I don’t want to make it all that easy for every bit of my personal life to be laid bare on the internet.
Like I said, if somebody wants my data bad enough, they’ll get it. But I suppose that puts the onus on me (and the developers of the software I trust), to make the data NOT all that easy to get.
Stalking. Spying sounds like a kids game or movie. This isn’t observing. This isn’t passive. It is actively exploiting. It is predatory, targeted, manipulative, with intent. It is stalking.
You’re right and I’m making the switch to using this word while bitching about their stalking.
