hot take?

Edit: got nothing against Ubuntu, it’s Linux after all and that’s what matters 🌻 Edit2: people took this very seriously for being a shower thought…

    • @[email protected]
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      21 year ago

      Since the offer for a free personal subscription to Ubuntu Pro when doing apt update. That’s the terminal equivalent of going to a microbrewery and seeing they only sell $8 IPAs.

  • @[email protected]
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    My first Distro was OpenSuse. idk. even why anymore, but maybe already because of KDE. I just never got warm with Gnome and to me KDE feels easier to get a grasp off, when coming from windows.

    • @[email protected]
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      21 year ago

      I have a lot of love for OpenSuse. Back in my teenage years, I used it and Ubuntu a lot. zypper is the best package manager, and YaST made configuration easier since I didn’t know config files yet.

  • @[email protected]
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    Funny description came up about Linux this weekend from my father in law. He kept referring to Linux as an “aftermarket OS”. First time I’ve heard it out like that, didn’t bother responding tbh lol.

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      It kinda makes sense, most consumer PCs come with either windows or macOS.

      • Juergen
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        The snap infrastructure is indeed what some object to the most.

        • @[email protected]
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          91 year ago

          That’s why I finally switched away from it. Currently doing a stint with Fedora 40 on my laptop; it’s pretty slick.

    • @[email protected]
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      111 year ago

      Ha same here. I’d try something else but I really just cba to start again on my server and desktop.

    • @[email protected]
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      231 year ago

      Im of the opinion that the distro is far less important than the Desktop Environment. Ubuntu only really “feels like Ubuntu” because of GNOME.

      • folkrav
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        Most of what differentiates a distro from another is one of:

        • package manager
        • default packages/configurations (including the desktop environment)
        • init system

        The rest well… it’s Linux.

        • @[email protected]
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          I’d argue it’s just the first two. Systemd gets a lot of hate but many don’t notice the difference between distros with or without it

      • @[email protected]
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        31 year ago

        Definitely, I don’t really like Ubuntu that much even though it’s my go-to. What I like is Xfce. Whether I get it via xubuntu or something else I don’t really care.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’m done with Ubuntu, after it had glaringly obvious bugs in 4 seperate releases right after booting the default install.
        I’m talking, system starts and the first thing you see is a crash message. Or the DE locking up. Or the software center throwing an error when you try to install a program. Or Firefox telling you it can’t restore your tabs, when you just started it for the first time. etc.
        Debian used to be more of a hassle to set up, but nowadays I think it’s one of the highest quality distros available. It really just works.
        Arch is also very good, and never broke on me in a decade, but what it does do is change stuff on you constantly, and I’m getting too old for that.

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    351 year ago

    No, Apple gives off hipster vibes to the average PC user. Apple products are basically jewelry, you choose Apple products largely to be seen with them, so that when you slide that phone out of your pocket there’s that Apple logo on it. So that your bubble is blue in iMessage. That’s hipster shit.

    The average PC user has never seen Linux running on a PC and doesn’t understand what a “distro” is at all. Ubuntu and its default Gnome DE isn’t as easily mistaken for Windows as KDE or Cinnamon is, so this one might spark the conversation a little faster, and “average” Windows users tend to compare Linux users of all stripes to vegans.

    WIthin the Linux community, Until maybe 5 years ago Ubuntu had the “beginner OS” stank to it. “Start here until you’re ready to edit xorg.conf like a real man.” Canonical has been shifting away from “Linux for the masses” and more toward “Leveraging synergies” to the point that I straight-up recommend against Ubuntu for daily use as their Snap ecosystem has a lot of disadvantages for desktop users especially gamers. To me, Ubuntu is a radial arm saw, the wonder do-all death trap grampa won’t shut up about that no one makes anymore. In the modern day, best practice is to forget they exist.

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        41 year ago

        I can’t argue with @[email protected] 's answer of "SteamOS running on the Steam Deck. Beyond that, on normal x86 gaming PC hardware? There isn’t a meaningful answer. I have perfectly good luck gaming on Linux Mint. Others prefer Arch or its forks, some prefer Nobara which is on the Fedora family tree.

        What’s the best distro for gaming on Linux? The one that you keep installed.

      • @[email protected]
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        Personally, I’ve been gaming on Arch with minimal issues for 2 years. Mostly stick to steam games for the low effort required though.

      • @[email protected]
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        Technically, steamOS because it’s designed to play games and it’s what the steam deck uses. That probably won’t have many other non-gaming features though, and I’ve personally never used it. In my experience, you can get most games without a hyper-aggressive anti cheat working on any Linux distro with varying degrees of effort, just a matter of having all the needed libraries installed! The more popular distros like Ubuntu, popOS, Fedora, even Arch (btw) should have a lot of helpful information out there on how to get Lutris or Steam set up.

    • @[email protected]
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      Apple products are basically jewelry, you choose Apple products largely to be seen with them

      that’s usually the take of someone who has never actually used them. I’m far from an Apple fanboy - I actually use all OS because I understood a while ago that each has its strengths.

      my main machine is a Mac and the reason for that is that it is very reliable. I feel like I can count on it to take somewhere and have it just work and not get stuck in a boot loop, or locked out in the login screen (things I faced with linux distros) or stuck in a surprise update screen with Windows.

      of course it’s a locked down system with little flexibility and could be expensive, but it pays off in reliability imo. when I want to do some more tricky shenanigans I have a machine with linux, and windows is for… well it’s only really worth to play games with for me hehe

      tldr I wish all jewellery was that useful

    • nifty
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      How is macOS hipster? Apple products are so damn popular.

      • Captain Aggravated
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        51 year ago

        Apple’s core ethos is “be hip and trendy.” They make electronics to be seen with, style before substance. That’s 200% hipster shit.

        • nifty
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          Hmm idk man, anything that has ads playing everywhere 24/7 is not hipster, hipster is unknown, but stylish etc. Hipster is more trendsetter and macOS is not a trendsetter, it’s just a trend at this point. Anything pop by definition is not hipster.

          To give a pithy example: macOS is to tech hipsters what hot topic is to goth hipsters

            • nifty
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              I didn’t invent the term lol, that’s how it’s been used since whenever

    • @[email protected]
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      I’m a big PC guy, love building my own computers every few years. But, I use MacBooks for when I’m out of the house/traveling. Because windows laptops suck and MacBooks are just good.

      • Greg Clarke
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        My daily driver used to be a MacBook Air running Linux. Apple hardware is amazing, I don’t give a shit about the logo on my laptop. I only switched to MacOS for a daily driver when I started working for a company that gave me a MacBook pro so I sold my Air which was just gathering dust.

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    I have used Ubuntu for years. I’m not a noob by any means, and would consider myself more advanced than most users. I used to love tinkering, but once I had a set of scripts built that set everything up just the way I like it on a new install, the need to tinker faded.

    I have recently switched to Debian due to bloat and snaps, but I won’t ever judge an Ubuntu user.

    • @[email protected]
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      I use Ubuntu on my servers because it just… Works, out of the box I can run my scripts and have no issues 100% of the time. On desktops I used to use SolusOS for gaming as that was the only Linux OS at the time I could comfortably game on without many hiccups.

    • @[email protected]
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      Yeah I started in the Red Hat 2 era, played with all the WMs and DEs, compiled my own kernel a few times. After a point I had too much going on in my life to tinker with my distro. My needs are simple, I just need a terminal and a package manager.

      Snaps have issues sure, but anything is better than the dependency hell of old.

      Use what works. It’s really that simple.

      • fmstrat
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        Would recommend Debian then. The switch was pretty smooth for me. Almost everything worked the same, but without the snaps.

  • @[email protected]
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    I used to use Ubuntu up to 12.04. By the time the support ended, the new versions had the Unity desktop, I didn’t like it, so for a while I switched to Crunchbang (may it rest in peace), and now I’m using Mint Cinnamon. Some of my developers are using Ubuntu with Unity. Everyone is free to pick what suits them; I’m not one to judge them.

  • @[email protected]
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    Jesus Christ this thread is full of people who don’t realize they’re the judging hipster in the post.

    Ubuntu isn’t the entry level distro that you move on from once you’ve gotten your feet wet, and your not very subtle pats on your own backs for using something different aren’t earned.

    Does it do everything the user needs from it? If so, don’t tell them that they need to “graduate” to a “better” flavor.

    • @[email protected]
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      All the linux makes me say “do what now?”

      I just want to change the settings on my fan. It’s been roughly 2 years.

    • @[email protected]
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      for real. my uncle has been programmer his whole life and he was always the most linux guy I’ve known. I have never seen him use any other os. and yet he uses ubuntu. his own words are thar he doesn’t care about all the bells and whistles that come trough distros like arch or gentoo. ubuntu works well enough for him and it’s what he is used to, so he uses that.

      using ubuntu defiently does not mean you’re a noob or non-techy linux user. personally I wouldn’t touch it again but the linux culture about arch being superior and others being for noobs is ridiculous

      • @[email protected]
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        This 1000%. Since basically High School I’ve been on Ubuntu for the machines I need to work, because at the end of the day it usually does. Some of the people I meet see that I use a Chromebook with the containers enabled and have similar reactions. “How can you use that it’s not even real Linux?”, as if it isn’t literally a Linux kernel. The Steam Deck is popular because you don’t need to know Linux to use it, and Ubuntu is popular because you don’t need to know a lot of Linux to use it.

    • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮
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      I still prefer nerdy hipster elitists gatekeepers from greedy corps after all is said and done. The first is unfortunate flaw of human character, the second is a calculated machine. If this is the price to pay then so be it. Individuality often isn’t as nice on the surface as the common but the common often has hidden sinister motives under the comfy, smoothened out rug of user friendliness.

      Lonely nerds don’t have PR and marketing teams but also won’t stab you in the back for profit. Sometimes they can be huge assholes though.

    • @[email protected]
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      I ran Gentoo for about 3 years (and will likely return soon) and I reckon there are plenty of really advanced Ubuntu users who know more about how my system works than I do.

      Any mainstream general purpose distro can do mostly anything and can be used by power users. Some should ONLY be used by power users, but that doesn’t make them inherently better than a distro that both a newbie and a power user can understand and use.

      You know why I use Gentoo? Literally the bragging rights. I doubt I’m optimizing things THAT much with my fancy compiler flags.

      • @[email protected]
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        this is so true. just because one can use more advanced systems doesn’t mean he’s smarter than all the more “basic” system users. especially in the linux world.

        all of the distros can pretty much do the same thing, some distros are just more focused on the ease of use.

    • @[email protected]
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      For real I started on Ubuntu and nearly a decade later I still would be on Ubuntu if it wasn’t for their migration to snaps with the proprietary back end.

    • @[email protected]
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      Ironically I’ve tried installing Ubuntu a couple of times in the past, but for whatever reason it didn’t work. I’m currently using Debian instead just because the install worked. No idea why, maybe my laptop is just weird.

      I used Arch for years because I wanted to learn more about how linux works and it was a good way to push myself. I think it worked because I am better at problem solving now - I even read the error messages lol

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    I was a CentOS-man for a number of years. But Linux is for servers and hobby projects in this house. MacOS is my primary driver. Still mad at IBM / Red Hat.

    I went to kick the tires on RockyLinux, but then realized I don’t have any projects in mind and asked myself why bother. It’ll be my first choice when the time is right again.

  • @[email protected]
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    it’s Linux after all and that’s what matters

    I agree it’s a good OS to use, and it is Linux, but there are layers and layers of what’s good for the user and the community.

    I think there will always be layers of “this could be done better,” and "that’s in someone’s selfish interest rather than for the best of the users and community. Or at least layers of being better for some people and worse for others. Ubuntu has some of those layers - though I’m always grateful for the good they’ve done the community - and other distros surely have some too.

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      Generally today a hipster is someone who jumps onto social trends they don’t know anything about because they are different from the norm. Often the idea is that they don’t care about the thing itself, but rather just being perceived as different. But I’m a long time linux user, and in my head if a hipster is going to try linux it’s way more nuanced, like real hipsters (and real linux users). You’ll have the dude who tries ubuntu just so he can say “i use linux” to his friends with Macs. You’ll have the dude who asks his bandmate who’s been using linux for a long time, so he tries Debian, but then gets frustrated and stops, because the “cool factor” isn’t enough. And then you’ll have the hipster who goes like all in on NixOS or something and makes it their entire identity for awhile. I use arch btw

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      I hadn’t thought about hipsters in like, 15 years or something. But I like the idea of thinking of Ubuntu users as Jazz connoisseurs.

      • @[email protected]
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        This isn’t “jAzZ”, it’s post punk new wave deep house acid fusion. You’ve probably never heard of it.