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I wonder what the next stage is going to look like, if changed at all in the future?
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Love, death, tears. Eternal damnation is caused by human emotion. The correct path is in the stars. Humanity laughs gayly as they salute their fellow man and idolize him. Prayer is the answer, we watch lovingly as god watches us. We film the bumbling nerd as he falls to the ground, we celebrate the ancient athlete.
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Fuck… Hahahaha
The most insane thing to me is that — as far as anyone can tell — a phonetic alphabet was developed only once in all oh human history.
Hangul is the phonetic alphabet used in Korea.
Yes, but it’s quite recent, only a few hundred years old - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Hangul
Not exactly. There are some phonetic bits of Asian writing so it’s happened at least twice.
Do you have any info on that? I’m not too familiar with Eastern languages, but all of the examples that I can think of have phonetic alphabets less than a millennium old.
Here’s Japanese phonetic writing that’s older than a millennium, although much newer than Phoenician: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man'yōgana
Here’s Korean which is also much newer than Phoenician: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul
But note that neither of these systems stemmed from Phoenician.
Hangul
Oh, yup, these are not derived from Phoenecian, but considering how recent they are they were developed after the concept of a phonetic alphabet had already been widely circulated
Japanese Manyogana does not count as a true alphabet because each character represents a mora (several sounds together), not an individual consonant or vowel.
Hangul is a bit debatable as to whether or not it is a true alphabet because. Although individual components within each jamo (the characters in hangul) do indeed represent individual consonants and vowels, they cannot exist alone and must always be part of a set of 2, 3, or 4 components. So in a sense it works more like a syllabary (the same as hiragana in Japanese) rather than an alphabet. Opinions are varied on this. Though Hangul was also very much artificially created (it wasn’t an evolution of an existing system, it was made from scratch), as Korea used Chinese characters up until then, so if we go by naturally evolving Latin/Greek is still the only one.
This is why in linguistics we typically say that Greek (and by extension the Latin that derived from it) is literally the only time humanity naturally invented a true alphabet, ie a system where consonants and vowels are represented individually and separately. All other alphabets before then were what we call either abjad (alphabet systems with no vowel indicators, like Arabic) or abugida (systems where vowels are only represented with diacritic marks, like Thai).
This chart does show different stages of alphabet in the lineage of the Modern Latin Alphabet. But these changes happened due to parallel interactions with other languages and alphabets not shown, so it is a little obscuring to call it an ‘evolution’. Probably being overly pedantic but that’s kind of the realm of linguistics.
Pretty cool nonetheless.
I was a little disappointed they didn’t show letters that were removed from the modern Latin alphabet but existed in the 2000 years since Rome, like thorn.
I wonder what caused the alphabet to essentially get mirror flipped from archaic Latin to Roman.
It was a change of management, and as the new manager had nothing to bring to the table. This is how he left it’s legacy.
Don’t you mean righted his legacy?
At one point during the flip every letter were written sideways which gave us the infamous archaic roman phrase “IIII IIII IIII”
One dyslexic roman emperor is my guess. I have no evidence to base this on.
If by “ancient Latin alphabet” you mean the alphabet as depicted in charts like this you’re talking about the Archaic alphabet, not the alphabet the Romans used for Classical Latin. The Romans after the Archaic Period used the same alphabet as we do (with minor additions depending on our precise European language), at least in inscriptions–Roman cursive is very different in form. The charts you’re looking at are very misleading, in that Latin was written in the Archaic Period either right to left or boustrephedon, alternating direction with each line. But these are only the very earliest Latin inscriptions. By the time Latin really starts to be used regularly as a written language it is being written left to right, with the letters oriented to suit.
He discusses most of that in his video - https://youtu.be/3kGuN8WIGNc
Yeah I wasn’t really sure how knowledgeable Matt Baker from usefulcharts is in ancient languages. Until I see actual sources I’m treating this chart as nothing more than guess work.
Skepticism is always a safe bet lol.
⨂︎ and ⌽︎ not getting the love they deserve.
Ф is getting enough love in Cyrillic languages.
And obviously In Greek as well although lowercase is slightly different I think (φ in Greek).
To be fair, lowercase ф is also sightly different.
Also math
They can never have enough symbols in math…
Is “L” drunk or something?
How did ‘I’ evolve into ‘Z’ while ‘Z’ evolved into ‘I’? Seems like a good ol’ switcheroo.
The step from Proto-Sinaitic to Phoenician is like the 2015-2020 era when companies simplified their logos to an extreme degree.
I have absolutely zero expertise in the field, but every time you see something like that in history, I always wonder if it was primarily spurred on by a change in writing medium. E.g. paper vs tablet.
The funny thing is went from tablet, to paper, to tablet.
Yes, but only after electromagnetism had been tamed like fire was!
Have we really tamed it, or is it just being nice because we feed it?
how did a shape for a bottle evolve into ass cheeks
Maybe it was a clay pot. From a pot to ass cheeks isn’t such a big jump
The Phoenician Q and H are way better than todays. And they got the X-Men belt buckle, that’s fucking rad. They can keep it tho; I don’t want to give Disney anymore free publicity.
The Greek Delta and Phi can make a comeback tho.
Also known as the “reading rainbow”
Never change, T
Pour one out for my bois:
- PlayStation accept + cancel combo
- electric pole
- the actual M
- tree
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The Romans really turned around that archaic Latin.
Personally I always thought it was easier to have the line on the left side and then the different stuff on the right side. Probably from being right handed.
Eg: B D E H K L M N P R
Those all have a line on the left and the right side differs
Not sure if true but I did hear somewhere that a big part of the Roman changes were to make carving letters into stone tablets and buildings easier.
It certainly explains using more straight lines in eg M and N. But maybe the flip also makes it easier to carve if you’re chiseling right handed? I’m imagining how I’d chisel a K.
I can only think that writing on parchment was more common.
So “A” evolved from cattle. Must of been from the Angus breed.
