Meh. I have facebook but don’t really use it much. my condo has a page so its like a semi public chat and sometimes have communication with folks. Certainly never use the feed though and I hate checking it every few weeks. I certainly don’t want anyone im connected to to think they will get a faster response if they hit me up there. I bet other things besides facebook spreads bs though. I see it with youtube users. I use youtube but I don’t really chase my feed.
I still have Facebook but pretty much just for messaging… and honestly I don’t even check it.
I had 6 unread messages and 30 plus notifications when I checked a moment ago.
Pretty happy with the results.
Platforms like Facebook have an incredible hold on some people. I remember a few years ago when the “Momo” hoax happened, an older coworker arrived at the office and started warning us about the danger of “Momo” they’d seen on Facebook. I’d already heard about the hoax (and was aware of the original creepyasta origins), and brought up a few news articles explaining it, including an official statement from the police. Everyone seemed satisfied by the truth, except for the Facebook addict. They just gave me a blank stare, and a few hours later I heard them telling another group of colleagues to beware of “Momo” getting to their children.
I have family members and longstanding family friends who have succumbed to this. Interestingly almost all of them were decrying the internet as something that couldn’t be trusted before the age of social media.
Damn Momo is like 3 years old now? Lol. My kids were coming home with that shit they knew it was bullshit before my ex lol.
I miss Oprah and her rainbow parties like sheeit I want me some blowjob parties!
3 years? It feels like 6-7 years. Momo was in 2021?
You get a BJ! You get a BJ! EVERYONE GETS A BJ!
2018 according to Wikipedia, so 6 years ago!
Fuck I was still ib highschool then, and I still on occasion become convinced that I need to be getting ready for school at random when waking up.
See, I’m not real big on facebook, but I have an account because I live a considerable distance from when I am from. (Also because marketplace is nice.)
Lately those cockballs have been refollowing people I have unfollowed and it is a clusterfuck on there now. I just have to ignore the feed because it’s full of trump shit and religious shit yet again.
No shit? Why didn’t anybody tell us?
I still don’t think this would save my mom from whichever TV source she watches, Fox News, News Max, or OAN.
Can you get into her parental controls? Someone on Reddit did that with their parents and it actually got them somewhere.
I blocked fox news at my parents house for years until my dad died. probably saved the remaining years we had together.
All news is fake news.
no.
All comments are fake comments.
I made this one up!
Never had a facebook, still won’t have a facebook
I want to quit Facebook so badly, but I NEED to use WhatsApp. Family, friends, work even. All informal and semi-formal chats go through WhatsApp where I live.
I haven’t viewed the actual Facebook app/feed in probably 7 or 8 years, but I have a Facebook for messenger. There are just too many people that rely on it as a sole form of communication, I was just getting left out of shit.
I don’t really see the problem though, do you not have the self control not to browse?
I do, luckily. But I’d rather not use any Meta apps.
I hate Facebook. Marketplace is unfortunately the only place a lot of stuff is listed, even though it also sucks. I said I wanted stuff within 85 miles, why are you showing me stuff that’s 400 miles away??? Craigslist is genuinely a better experience (via the mobile app) these days, but no one uses it.
I just use Craigslist anyway and accept that I’m missing out on selection.
Often I do too, but I’m in a mid-sized city so sometimes it isn’t an option if I want to find a deal on something.
I only set up notifications on Craigslist’s app though.
This.
I buy and sell heaps of stuff on Facebook.
We have young kids. It must have saved us thousands buying everything second hand and flipping it later.
I guess I’m at least lucky that marketplace isn’t used here primarily.
You’re not required to go on Facebook just to use WhatsApp 😉
You don’t need Facebook to use WhatsApp.
Meta
You can quit Facebook, just not Meta as an entity.
Right. I’m still used to the parent company being named Facebook.
I have no Facebook, I want no Facebook. When I got my now job a few years back they said “we couldn’t find you on Facebook.” That’s right, you can’t.
And yes I get left out of that communication stream, but absolutely don’t care. Like, not even a little bit.
I’m waiting it out. Already my kids see it as “boomer shit”.
This title is ambiguous: reduces belief in the fake news topics themselves, vs. that fake news exists.
Anyway, yes, it does wonders for mental health and sanity to unplug from that cesspit of human “alternative knowledge”!:-P
Deleting Facebook forever reduces stress and desinformation long-term.
Not being stuck inside of an echo chamber really does wonders for the brain. And yes, I know the irony of saying this on Lemmy, but it’s true.
Lemmy isn’t really an echo chamber. It’s like saying going over to a friends place is an echo chamber because you and your friend get along. There’s nothing wrong with hanging out with people who share your values and beliefs.
The problem with social media are their algorithms. They aren’t designed to connect you with like-minded people, but to keep you engaged. The content that keeps people engaged tends to be terrible content.
The recent “a man or a bear” trend is a perfect example. Algorithms love divisive content like that because it drives engagement, but it also leads to people getting really upset over nothing. Lemmy doesn’t have any algorithms driving engagement so it doesn’t have that problem.
No, this isn’t like that at all. Mods here are actively pwning anyone who slightly disagrees with them. This is very definitely an echo chamber.
Lemmy is definitely an echo chamber, but I agree that it’s not necessarily a bad thing as long as we recognize it for what it is. There are a large number of people out there that have very different opinions than the majority of users on this platform, we need to keep things respectful even in our disagreements with them instead of tearing them down for their opinions.
Lemmy’s a lot better than Reddit for not being an echo chamber because the communities are less interest specific, and most of us are here because we’re the type to seek out a better discussion rather than stick with status quo.
But as it gets bigger and the communities become more niché it will become a bigger issue.
I strongly disagree.
I don’t think lemmy is necessarily an echochamber per se, rather its just a place where misinformation exists and opinions are manipulated.
Lemmy does use algorithms to show you the most engaging content, and there are absolutely bots and bad actors manipulating which content is prioritised.
The genocide Joe / vote abstinence thing was a very clear example.
… That’s not an echo chamber though. That’s propaganda and vote manipulation mostly by literal state actors and brainwashed rubes.
An echo chamber is when people literally self segregate enough to the point that they no longer consume almost any media that doesn’t fit their belief. Its exacerbated by large corporations who profit from ad revenue driven through user engagement.
Lemmy is not an echo chamber no more than the literal radio.
Reddit is not an echo chamber.
You can make these an echo chamber through varying degrees of ease. But places like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter have been proven to drive you into one by exploiting ragebait for clicks.
You can say they’re both fruit, sure. But one is like eating cantaloupe and the other like eating bananas laced with speed.
Have you tried Linux, communism, and being gay?
yes, yes, and yes.
and i no longer like any of those things.
Damn, speedrunning the Lemmy topics! I only do 2/3 of them, otherwise we’d probably already be married!
Echo chambers are a lot easier to recognize and ignore when they aren’t filled with your friends and family.
Shut it down like Tiktok. Those platforms are brainwashing people into believing far right and far left ideas.
far left ideas.
Lol. Yeah that’s the problem with society today; Mark Zuckerberg is turning the kids into commies!
Damn those far left ideals like liveable wages!
I think Tiktok can often be creative and informative, which Facebook is definitely not though. I don’t use Tiktok but what people have sent me have usually been funny.
But, but I like far left ideas. The pictures about people dancing in circles, living in communities without the need of money, make me giggle.
Time to start a Facebook account. /s
That isn’t far left though.
More like overthrowing governments, disbanding corporations, abolishing personal properties, completely removing currency, controlling speech, …
I myself am a socialist, but what you describe is closer to centre left than far left.
Okay my comment was a little bit sarcastic, but there is some truth in it. Removing currency and removing private property isnt that bad. How would we live then? You just have your skills and trade/offer them every day against the skills of someone else, who makes food for example. No third person would make profit of your trade. Sounds better then what we have actually. Today the Top 10% literally do nothing and get all things they want.
But removing everything sounds odd, I know. Let’s start simple: how about it isn’t allowed to have more than 1 mio. Dollars. I mean 1 mio. is a lot. If you have more you pay 100% tax. Nobody needs more than 1 mio.
Btw “controlling speech” is one of the far right favourites, not left.
We tried the “trade your skills for something you need”. In every surviving society it eventually lead to the development of a currency (not hard to see why), which requires/leads to regulation, which requires enforcement, aaaand you’re back at a modern society. I’m all for more regulation to reduce economic and social differences in society, but the people that are talking about abolishing governments and currencies need to pick up a history book and follow their ideas to their natural conclusion.
“Controlling speech” is a hallmark of authoritarian governments, be they far-left or far-right, there are plenty of historical examples of both.
Yes those are the problematic fantasies that corporate social media is brainwashing people towards. Too many of the youth are wasting their time on fantasies of revolution when they could be acting within the scope of reality to achieve something actually meaningful.
They would be better off actually working instead of wasting their time protesting and getting useless degrees
I’ve seen quite a few commies on Lemmy. Just saying.
PROPAGANDA. Please use the actual word. Why use two words when one do trick?
From Wikipedia:
Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented.
Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.
Similarly, fake news isn’t always propaganda. Some is just stuff spread by trolls to make fun of people.
Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.
It can also be true stuff presented in an unbiased way. There’s a disconnect here between the proper definition of the word, which is perfectly neutral, and its connotations because the what secretary for tsunami safety doesn’t call their stuff “propaganda” but “public service announcement”. Still the same thing, though, the tsunami safety secretary is trying to persuade the audience to not be stupid and get to high ground as soon as the sea recedes. Very much pushing an agenda, they *gasp* want people to survive and *gasp* use communication to achieve it.
Can it? I searched a bit and all the definitions I’ve found seem to be about swaying public opinion, not simple objective announcements.
It does have a negative connotation even though it can be used for good, but I still don’t think purely objective messages like “a tsunami is coming, get to high ground” should count as propaganda.
What about things like this?
Which btw yes certainly has editorialising going on. The answer to “Useless projects are funded with EU money” starts with “National and regional authorities in the EU countries select projects which they think meet their needs best in line with the strategies and priorities agreed with the Commission.” Which isn’t saying that EU money doesn’t found useless projects, but implicitly blames regional authorities for it. I don’t even think they want to mislead, here, they simply want to stay diplomatic.
(This video about the canopy walk is brilliant. (enable subtitles)).
I think that qualifies as propaganda too: its intention is to improve the public opinion of the Cohesion policy by clearing misconceptions.
(About the “project” in the video… what the hell? I had to Google it because I wasn’t convinced it was a real thing. Just why?)
Corruption, that’s why. Similar to how the Italian mafia would half-build highway bridges with taxpayer money and then mysteriously have some shell company go bankrupt. OLAF is on it because of course they are when stuff makes the press. If they have a case EPPO will take over at which point that Hungarian mayor will have the questionable honour of being up against the gal who cleaned up Romania… before Hungarian courts. If those turn out to be corrupt then that’s going to buy the mayor time but ultimately the ECJ would overrule them. Still no mechanism to actually set boots on member state grounds but Hungary is already on thin ice when it comes to getting suspended from the EU for various reasons, they’re going to tread lightly.
See if you want to be corrupt in the EU you have to do it like the big boys: Implement some policy, then get a cushy job at a company. Or receive tons of money for boring private speeches. Something like that, directly grabbing into state coffers is so uncivilised.
EDIT: Oh, Hungary didn’t join EPPO, figures. They can still freeze assets, though. Also if I understand things correctly our mayor would turn into a fugitive in the rest of the EU.
Yes, I figured but… isn’t that a bit too obvious? Surely there had to be a less blatant way of laundering money than… a treetop walk with no trees?
It’ll make you feel infinitely better all around. I got rid of mine almost a year ago.
