• @helenslunch@feddit.nl
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    11 year ago

    I’ve seen like 7 people share this meme on Facebook about Netflix stock “tumbling” after donating to Harris. The ease with which people can be manipulated is absolutely terrifying. Like type “netflix stock” into the browser where you saw this and BOOM FACT CHECKED but they just accept internet memes as gospel and spread them accordingly.

  • FlashMobOfOne
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    21 year ago

    It’ll make you feel infinitely better all around. I got rid of mine almost a year ago.

    • @Syrc@lemmy.world
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      From Wikipedia:

      Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented.

      Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.

      Similarly, fake news isn’t always propaganda. Some is just stuff spread by trolls to make fun of people.

      • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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        Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.

        It can also be true stuff presented in an unbiased way. There’s a disconnect here between the proper definition of the word, which is perfectly neutral, and its connotations because the what secretary for tsunami safety doesn’t call their stuff “propaganda” but “public service announcement”. Still the same thing, though, the tsunami safety secretary is trying to persuade the audience to not be stupid and get to high ground as soon as the sea recedes. Very much pushing an agenda, they *gasp* want people to survive and *gasp* use communication to achieve it.

        • @Syrc@lemmy.world
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          21 year ago

          Can it? I searched a bit and all the definitions I’ve found seem to be about swaying public opinion, not simple objective announcements.

          It does have a negative connotation even though it can be used for good, but I still don’t think purely objective messages like “a tsunami is coming, get to high ground” should count as propaganda.

          • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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            What about things like this?

            Which btw yes certainly has editorialising going on. The answer to “Useless projects are funded with EU money” starts with “National and regional authorities in the EU countries select projects which they think meet their needs best in line with the strategies and priorities agreed with the Commission.” Which isn’t saying that EU money doesn’t found useless projects, but implicitly blames regional authorities for it. I don’t even think they want to mislead, here, they simply want to stay diplomatic.

            (This video about the canopy walk is brilliant. (enable subtitles)).

            • @Syrc@lemmy.world
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              11 year ago

              I think that qualifies as propaganda too: its intention is to improve the public opinion of the Cohesion policy by clearing misconceptions.

              (About the “project” in the video… what the hell? I had to Google it because I wasn’t convinced it was a real thing. Just why?)

              • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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                Corruption, that’s why. Similar to how the Italian mafia would half-build highway bridges with taxpayer money and then mysteriously have some shell company go bankrupt. OLAF is on it because of course they are when stuff makes the press. If they have a case EPPO will take over at which point that Hungarian mayor will have the questionable honour of being up against the gal who cleaned up Romania… before Hungarian courts. If those turn out to be corrupt then that’s going to buy the mayor time but ultimately the ECJ would overrule them. Still no mechanism to actually set boots on member state grounds but Hungary is already on thin ice when it comes to getting suspended from the EU for various reasons, they’re going to tread lightly.

                See if you want to be corrupt in the EU you have to do it like the big boys: Implement some policy, then get a cushy job at a company. Or receive tons of money for boring private speeches. Something like that, directly grabbing into state coffers is so uncivilised.

                EDIT: Oh, Hungary didn’t join EPPO, figures. They can still freeze assets, though. Also if I understand things correctly our mayor would turn into a fugitive in the rest of the EU.

                • @Syrc@lemmy.world
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                  11 year ago

                  Yes, I figured but… isn’t that a bit too obvious? Surely there had to be a less blatant way of laundering money than… a treetop walk with no trees?

  • mechoman444
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    351 year ago

    Haven’t used facebook in any meaningful way since 2012. Much less anxiety ever since.

    • @TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
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      the vast majority of nutbags with low key mental issues i meet are social media addicts who furiously want to bring their ‘curated’ image into the real world and force others to worship them.

      the others nutbags are homeless folks.

    • @Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
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      61 year ago

      Same sentence but replace it with Instagram for me. I can’t help but peek into comments for some funny ones but they are all filled with vile stuff. Tiktok is no better but it’s definitely better than Instagram. Even worse half of those comments come from my country :(

  • @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    21 year ago

    disconnecting lowers users political participation and also their propensity to believe misinformation

    OP buried the wider point: People gotta be completely brainwashed and delusional to believe in political participation.

    • @TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
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      irrational belief based on fantasy fuels people to action a lot more than rational belief based in reality.

      because the former is exciting and meaningful, the latter is boring and mundane.

      hence why the crazies tend to believe in cabal conspiracies of evil people whom they must fight against. whereas your average voter is like ‘who do i want to have a beer with and make me feel like i’m doing better financially… i’ll vote him’

  • Michael H. Jenkins
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    101 year ago

    Given how FB’s algorithm stacks their feed and hides real information, that’s not surprising.

  • Blaster M
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    81 year ago

    Never had a facebook, still won’t have a facebook

  • HubertManne
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    Meh. I have facebook but don’t really use it much. my condo has a page so its like a semi public chat and sometimes have communication with folks. Certainly never use the feed though and I hate checking it every few weeks. I certainly don’t want anyone im connected to to think they will get a faster response if they hit me up there. I bet other things besides facebook spreads bs though. I see it with youtube users. I use youtube but I don’t really chase my feed.

  • CALIGVLA
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    1141 year ago

    Not being stuck inside of an echo chamber really does wonders for the brain. And yes, I know the irony of saying this on Lemmy, but it’s true.

    • @ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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      Lemmy isn’t really an echo chamber. It’s like saying going over to a friends place is an echo chamber because you and your friend get along. There’s nothing wrong with hanging out with people who share your values and beliefs.

      The problem with social media are their algorithms. They aren’t designed to connect you with like-minded people, but to keep you engaged. The content that keeps people engaged tends to be terrible content.

      The recent “a man or a bear” trend is a perfect example. Algorithms love divisive content like that because it drives engagement, but it also leads to people getting really upset over nothing. Lemmy doesn’t have any algorithms driving engagement so it doesn’t have that problem.

      • @fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
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        191 year ago

        I strongly disagree.

        I don’t think lemmy is necessarily an echochamber per se, rather its just a place where misinformation exists and opinions are manipulated.

        Lemmy does use algorithms to show you the most engaging content, and there are absolutely bots and bad actors manipulating which content is prioritised.

        The genocide Joe / vote abstinence thing was a very clear example.

        • BlanketsWithSmallpox
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          71 year ago

          … That’s not an echo chamber though. That’s propaganda and vote manipulation mostly by literal state actors and brainwashed rubes.

          An echo chamber is when people literally self segregate enough to the point that they no longer consume almost any media that doesn’t fit their belief. Its exacerbated by large corporations who profit from ad revenue driven through user engagement.

          Lemmy is not an echo chamber no more than the literal radio.

          Reddit is not an echo chamber.

          You can make these an echo chamber through varying degrees of ease. But places like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter have been proven to drive you into one by exploiting ragebait for clicks.

          You can say they’re both fruit, sure. But one is like eating cantaloupe and the other like eating bananas laced with speed.

      • @NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world
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        21 year ago

        Lemmy is definitely an echo chamber, but I agree that it’s not necessarily a bad thing as long as we recognize it for what it is. There are a large number of people out there that have very different opinions than the majority of users on this platform, we need to keep things respectful even in our disagreements with them instead of tearing them down for their opinions.

      • @Mango@lemmy.world
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        11 year ago

        No, this isn’t like that at all. Mods here are actively pwning anyone who slightly disagrees with them. This is very definitely an echo chamber.

      • @dgmib@lemmy.world
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        111 year ago

        Lemmy’s a lot better than Reddit for not being an echo chamber because the communities are less interest specific, and most of us are here because we’re the type to seek out a better discussion rather than stick with status quo.

        But as it gets bigger and the communities become more niché it will become a bigger issue.

    • @krashmo@lemmy.world
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      451 year ago

      Echo chambers are a lot easier to recognize and ignore when they aren’t filled with your friends and family.

  • @mihnt@lemmy.ca
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    See, I’m not real big on facebook, but I have an account because I live a considerable distance from when I am from. (Also because marketplace is nice.)

    Lately those cockballs have been refollowing people I have unfollowed and it is a clusterfuck on there now. I just have to ignore the feed because it’s full of trump shit and religious shit yet again.

  • @OpenStars@discuss.online
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    31 year ago

    This title is ambiguous: reduces belief in the fake news topics themselves, vs. that fake news exists.

    Anyway, yes, it does wonders for mental health and sanity to unplug from that cesspit of human “alternative knowledge”!:-P

  • @Donjuanme@lemmy.world
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    221 year ago

    I’m convinced those who want to be fearful of things will immediately latch onto a new source of misinformation.

    This isn’t to say Facebook is good, or that we shouldn’t try to have stronger punishment for misinformation that leads to public harm, just that “people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals”

  • Sheridan
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    521 year ago

    My mom was permabanned from Facebook in 2020 for constantly posting anti-vax nonsense so she just went to places like Gab and Parlor. 😑

    • @SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      191 year ago

      Yowza. My dad did the same until he died (shockingly, of COVID), so I just wanted to say I’m sorry. I know what it’s like having a crazy parent and it sucks.

      • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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        Truth is truth, how it is described may be subjective. But there is still only one truth.

        • @Mango@lemmy.world
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          41 year ago

          How do you decide which sources are credible? I can’t decide. Literally everything can be faked, and the more there is on the line, the more incentive and resources there are to do so.

          What important stuff do you think there is that isn’t faked? How do you decide that it’s not fake?

          Damn near everything you’ve ever accepted as true is stuff you were told or read and just accepted it based on how it was presented.

          • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
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            91 year ago

            “I can’t decide”

            yes, we are all well aware of how dumb you are. Your stupidity is becoming quite well known on Lemmy.

          • @NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world
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            31 year ago

            This is why, in a lot of universities, they’re trying to teach you how to learn, not necessarily how you should think.

            We need to be able to examine the claims for ourselves and learn what red flags look like.

            And a lot of the time we mix up “facts” with “opinions”. Even when we are looking at facts, most of the time there are lies mixed with truth or conveniently forgotten truths. If we only get our information from a single source, or from biased sources, then we’re going to miss some key information.

            That’s why it’s good to make sure that you look at any story (especially politicized ones) from different angles and sources even if you don’t agree with them.

            Not only that but it can be enlightening to hear about a story from someone who’s much more intimately familiar with the subject themselves.

            For example, whenever it comes to news stories about the Supreme Court, I like to look for commentary from lawyers such as Steve Lehto or Legal Eagle. You’ll find that they typically provide some very important context into why a particular decision was made that cuts through a lot of the outrage material that reporters push for clicks.

          • Maxnmy's
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            41 year ago

            I believe that some popular news organizations are sufficiently trustworthy. At the very least, you can find sources that rank higher than others on the scale of trustworthiness.