me: i’d like a glass of milk
them: sorry that’s only on the kids menu
me: you mean you can’t pour me a glass of milk unless i order from a special menu? what if i wanted coffee
them: oh then we can bring you milk
me: ok then i’ll order a coffee and just have the milk
them: sorry can’t do that.
me: i’ll order the kids menu then, just so i can have my milk
them: sorry can’t do that. you’re over the age of 13
I’ve never had that problem. I basically always order milk anytime I eat out. Sometimes they only give me a kids portion or even a kids cup (it was extra funny when my wife ordered it for me and I was away from the table changing a diaper while visiting family), but usually I get a full glass of milk
My friend ordered an omelette without the eggs before, and it worked. A server wouldn’t sell me a double shot of Jager because it was “too much alcohol” but had no problem selling me two single shots at once.
All depends on how accommodating your server is.
Double shots are illegal to serve in a fair number of places, so I am betting that is the case.
In Texas you can’t buy a pitcher of beer if you’re by yourself
Just another reason Texas sucks.
In most areas, you can’t buy that pitcher by yourself. At best, you have to request 2 glasses and hide in a corner to drink that pitcher by yourself.
Yeah … source that claim. I’d believe in most places in the Bible Belt have rules like that. But, I have personally ordered pitchers in several different states and had zero need to demonstrate that I’m party to a party.
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It’s about money. People are okay paying way higher margins for alcoholic drinks. They want you drinking alcohol for profits and the inebriating effect makes you more likely to spend loosely.
soft drinks have huge profit margins and take no server time to prepare
And so your options are alcohol, soft drinks (coke or pepsi branded exclusively), or water
You forgot tea
So did the restaurant.
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You think restaurants take worker’s labor into consideration when making profitability choices? Look what servers are paid, they clearly don’t value their labor.
EDIT: I was being dramatic to prove a point. Restaurants run skeleton crews all the time to push profitability. Obviously they give it some consideration, but it’s rarely for the workers well being.
They take labour into consideration because less time spent serving a drink = you can serve more drinks = we can replace two of you with one.
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Worked in restaurants for decades and never had a place not have milk available. It’s used in lots of recipes and a lot of the places had Lil cartons for kids, also every drink was available “virgin” if you wanted a cocktail without booze, or we would have apple juice, orange juice, etc. I have never seen a restaurant that does not have a wide selection of non alcoholic drinks. Do you want them to list Arnold Palmers or are you asking for every type of non alcoholic seltzers or non alcoholic ciders or non alcoholic beers? Most restaurants have one or two but the non drunks don’t drink 6 non alcoholic beers so it’s just not worth the cost and room of keeping a large amount of non alcoholic pre made drinks. So stop complaining and have a water like a real man
I feel like this joke would have landed better 5, or maybe even 3 years ago. Every even remotely fancy restaurant I go into has jumped on the mocktail bandwagon and offers plenty of options for people avoiding alcohol.
Of course they do. They sell them equally expensive without the expensive ingredients!
Really? They’re kind a third of the price here.
Not everyone does it. Shady places charge equal price for virgin cocktails.
Basically water and a little juice, and they charge $8.
Price of drinks have very little relation to the price of alcohol.
Edit: in the US. Other places might have more esoteric booze tax schemes.
You are paying for way more than the sum of the parts when you order a cocktail, I’m not really sure why you’d suddenly be concerned about doing so when it comes to a mocktail.
At least in North America. I get the sense Europe still thinks drinking is cool across the board.
Alcohol has been an essential facilitating element of human socialization in every human civilization since Mesopotamia
Which is cool
Human sacrifice was also pretty popular for a pretty long time, as was autocracy. Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all, but age isn’t a good argument on it’s own.
Also; factually inaccurate. I’m not sure how much evidence of alcohol there is in the New World civilisations, and Islam, which forbids it, has been around for a millennia and a half.
I was wrong, I dint notice that the other commenter said “every human civilization” we can’t know this as we don’t know every human civilization.
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You can’t ban something unless it exists and is a part of your society. Alcohol existed prior to Islam in Arabia and still exists there today. Legal Prohibitions do not cause a substance to disappear.
Alcohol is just fermented grain. Everyone had grain. Therefore everyone had alcohol. Including the Americas
So yes, there is evidence of alcohol consumption in the New World prior to European contact. Indigenous peoples in various parts of the Americas developed fermented beverages from local ingredients long before Europeans arrived.
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North America: Various tribes produced alcoholic drinks from berries, maize, and other native plants. For example, the Apache made tiswin from corn, and the Chicha was popular among many tribes in North America.
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Central America: The Aztecs brewed pulque from the sap of the agave plant. This drink was not only consumed for enjoyment but also held religious significance.
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South America: Chicha, a beer made from maize, was widely consumed across the Andean region. This beverage was integral to social and ceremonial functions.
These indigenous beverages varied widely in production, ingredients, and cultural significance but demonstrate that alcohol consumption was indeed present in the New World prior to European contact.
Fair enough. It looks like pulque, at least, was recorded as not being used recreationally, which is probably what I was remembering, but even that I doubt, just based on human nature.
It’s still highly unlikely Alpharabius ever discussed political philosophy over a beer. There might have been local Jews that could supply it, but the cultural taboo would have long since been totally integrated. It wasn’t ye olde prohibition or something. And it’s still not supported that drinking is objectively, universally desirable in some aesthetic sense, which is kind of what “it is cool” suggests in the original context.
Chicha can be made from any fruit with glucose in it, it’s basically another word for alcohol.
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Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all,
Depends on what you understand by “bad”. Regarding health, it certainly is.
Yep. It also causes a lot of social disorder and addiction. The argument for it is that people like it.
If it wasn’t clear from context, I meant socially or ethically.
Socially or ethically, I think I know what you mean.
I am being pedantic now and say that it can even be bad socially and ethically as a consequence of that or as a consequence of health concerns.
Which is cool
I disagree for health and a bunch of other reasons.
There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that
Getting drunk and then talking to a bunch of people you don’t know is how people meet people. That’s an essential and long running aspect of human socialization.
If you regularly talk to new people and make friends in other ways then that’s fine. But clearly the majority of Lemmy/Reddit users aren’t doing that. And young people in general aren’t doing it either. Meeting strangers irl and chatting them up is how you make friends and alcohol facilitates that
There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that
Are they? Sincere question, haven’t read a report or something like that on that topic.
Regarding the remaining part, I understand how you see that. Seems logical. However, I would claim that this is more of a problem in societies mindset itself and less one tied to alcohol consumption. If people are raised in a way that they learn how alcohol is necessary, and don’t learn other ways, if it’s even incorporated in the particular culture of a society, then it’s not surprising that those people have a hard time finding new friends.
There are plenty of counter examples, e.g., look at other cultures where alcohol is even forbidden or at least its consumption clearly discouraged. Even in western cultures there are plenty of people who found and prefer other ways. But sure, may of course not be the majority yet.Regarding a loneliless epidemic, I guess there is also a lot more to it than alcohol consumption alone. For example I have picked up on smartphone usage / social media consumption as related on that. (Which is a very superficial statement now, I haven’t read up on that.)
I really don’t understand this site’s/reddit’s fear of alcohol. Moderate drinking is not a problem. And it does assist with socializing, which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.
The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange. Just go to the bar and meet some people - it’s fun and it won’t hurt you. Alcoholism is obviously an issue, but alcoholism isn’t caused by moderate drinking. Just don’t be an idiot and you don’t have anything to worry about
Moderate drinking is not a problem.
From a health perspective, it certainly is.
No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health.And it does assist with socializing
Which is a cultural thing. If people grow up seeing how alcohol is a social catalysator, they don’t learn that it’s perfectly possible to socialize without alcohol.
which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.
Idk, if that comes from a well-meant place, but it sounds kinda condescending.
The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange.
There are not just two kinds of people. From my experience those, who use cannabis or other drugs, are inclined towards alcohol use as well.
Even then, it’s not really accurate anyway. A cocktail is a bunch of ingredients mixes together. You can usually get them without the alcohol if you ask for it (obviously this doesn’t work for every drink). They list of cocktails is so large because there’s a lot of ways to combine a few ingredients to make different things. They don’t actually stock that many types of drinks or anything. They’re made on demends, and can usually be modified if you ask.
If you can remove the alcohol from any “cocktail” and still have more than just flavored ice or a dirty glass, you were drinking slightly alcoholic mocktails the whole time.
Old Fashioned mocktail is a cherry on top of a large ice cube that you’ve used to bludgeon some sugar and an orange.
A Sazerac mocktail is akin to an empty glass someone just drink a sweet lemony drink from. You don’t get the lemony drink, just the dirty glass.
A margarita mocktail is salty lime flavored ice. This is basically a daquiri mocktail too, adding a strawberry seems popular.
A Manhattan mocktail is a sweetened cherry in an otherwise empty glass.
A mojito mocktail is a bit more substantial, minty sugar water with a hint of lime.
A mint julep mocktail, again just minty sugar water.
A white Russian mocktail is just a glass of cream over ice.
A mimosa mocktail is just a nearly empty glass of orange juice.
The non-alcoholic parts of a cocktail are rarely more than a quarter of the volume if they’re made properly. Most cocktails are a half oz of sugar water and a citrus flavor. The other 2/3 of the volume (not counting the ice) is alcohol. Just order a soda, soda water (with or without a garnish), tea, or my favorite a Topo Chico and lime.
One virgin martini please. Stirred.
handed cool glass with three olives in it
Thank you, kind sir!
Hey man, over half of that vodka is water anyway, so it’s all just a glass of water with some bitters.
First of all, a vodka martini isn’t a classic martini. That’s why you have to say “vodka” before martini if that’s what you’re ordering. A martini is made at any reputable establishment with gin. I’m sure you could say “rum martini” and any established bartender would raise an eyebrow but make your order.
That said, I order my martini the same way every time: pure Everclear stirred with a single ice cube. Wave a bottle of vermouth over the glass while looking in the direction of France.
One olive or three, never even numbers. I’m not a savage.
Then after I’ve vomited on the bar, they wheel me home on a dolly.
Edit: my actual standard order is Beefeater, extra dry, one olive. Keep it simple and classic.
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Cocktails without alcohol cost way too much for what they are. That would be like paying 15 bucks for a burger without meat.
Restaurants sometimes also have like dozens of types of beer, wine, etc. but the best non-alcoholic they can do is a water or a coca cola softdrink?
I was just in Dublin and saw Guinness 0.0 in a bunch of places. Things are definitely shifting if that can exist in Ireland.
That’s great news! Occasionally I browse the NA beers and last week I thought how great it would be to be able to drink a Guinness! Maybe it arrives here sometime.
they do sell them in the US
I’ve not had it, but someone (who also likes regular Guinness) told me that Guinness zero was genuinely great. Need to check it out sometime.
It really is. Like a lot of non alcoholic is crap (maybe if you’re a rare drinker it’s passable and unnoticeable). But Guinness 0.0 tastes very close to real Guinness. I’m not sure i could tell the difference in a blind test honestly.
I think it’s Edmonton that just opened an alcohol free mocktail bar. That sounds amazing as a non drinker, you get to socialize with people and enjoy everything from milkshakes to rare sodas. Bring back soda shops!
I believe they used to be called fountains.
And the alcohol lists never have prices which is a clear indication that they know they are asking too much money.
And then?
Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer.
Arnold Schwarzenegger
I stopped drinking about five years ago, and I often can find a mocktail or two that I like on most menus
Wouldn’t they have milk available for coffee? Unless they only offered cream, I guess.
Either way, silly that you couldn’t order some.
The bartender should have some for the White Russians
A proper white Russian is half and half or cream. Don’t worry I drank plenty of milk ones after I watched the Big Lebowski when I was 20 but it’s just not the same.
Not since the war started and they all got sent to the front (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
Most definitely.
A restaurant that doesn’t have milk is a probably a shitty restaurant anyway.
What kind of kitchen doesn’t have milk in it? Even the hardest-core vegan cafe would have some kind of passable milk substitute right?
Next thing you know they’ll be saying they don’t have salt.
They might not have it in acceptable quantities for drinking, depending on the kind of food served. If they only keep it in stock for specific dishes, the front of house might not even know it’s there.
Well yeah, exactly.
Alcohol gives me the shits. Milk gives me the shits. I’d rather just have water.
Water? Fish shit in it.
And fuck.
You also have shit inside you.
Huh. When you swim in the sea, you’re a shit-covered shit sack.
That’s enough thinking for today.
speak for yourself, fluid only diet
food goes in, food goes out right away
So do I
The restaurants/hotels I eat at usually have green tea.
To be fair, how many baby cows are even coming to these restaurants??
Sir, this is a steak house. We have hundreds of baby cows come here every year.
Should be more than baby grapes!
Not sure about other countries, but the Russian branch of Burger King had some uniquely bad sense of humor when it came to their ads. The most known as was a wordplay between “Don’t get too spicy” and “Don’t shit yourself”, but there was another ad of chicken nuggets with a little chick in the corner saying something like “6 nuggets for 99 rubles!”. I found it hilarious to see a chick advertising their mom.
There’s the trend of restaurants having “mocktails”, which is cool, but they often charge for them based on their price for alcoholic beverages. I don’t really want a special lemonade for $14.
be me: go to restaurant => ouch ouch why is everything overpriced =< lol kek its 1 am and im drunk rn but the alcohol in coctails is not worth nearly 14 bucks you bellend
What’s a milk drinker like you doing out here? Go home to your mother.
Sorry, my mom’s busy banging YO MAMMA!
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Wait
https://www.licor43.com/cocktails/blanco-43/
It’s great. Order it virgin for just milk.
Yea, you heard. Order it, virgin!
I usually order mine extra fucked tbf.
This is not a very common cocktail at least in my area, so I’m sure most servers/ bartenders would have to google this. I can imagine the look on their face when they realized you actually ordered a glass of milk.
