I wonder what their idea of the outcome is.
Tankie: “I convinced 20 Democratic Party voters to stay at home (and did the same for 0 Republican Party voters). Wait until Democratic politicians see that more voters favored the far right party. Then they’re going to move left and fall on their knees and beg me to forgive them.”
(Cue scene: swastika-adorned tanks rolling past the window)
“Stupid liberals, unwilling to fight the fascists like us true leftists.” (Watches tanks and twiddles thumbs.) (Fetches keyboard.) “Let’s tell everyone online that it’s their own fault and they deserve this.” (Sudden sound of harsh knocking on front door.)
At best, their actions will “only” cause another grid-locked presidency where progressives can’t get their reforms to pass (which will then be used as the reason to abandon the likely last line of non-violent defense against fascists).
I can’t believe France wom that election
300k to 200k in my state. It will be fine that being said other states it may make more of a difference
Fan fact: if all democrats witheld the vote the republicans couldn’t govern either. That way we could get rid of both rotten parties.
I’m so glad that I live outside the US. Not that we have good options but at least more than 2. I guess I would still vote for Biden but I wouldn’t call it a democracy
Oh, the massive hypocrisy of Biden refusing to swallow his Zionist principles and stop their Genocide, whilst at the same time sending his tribe’s peons around to try and convince millions of people to swallow their Humanist principles and vote for a guy who supports Genocide.
Biden could pretty much guarantee a win tomorrow by announcing that it has been determined that Israel is indeed committing war crimes, followed by cutting support for them as per the Law when the recipient of help is committing such crimes, ideally followed by sanctions.
Yet he doesn’t and instead there’s a clear propaganda op with repeated variations of the claim that “Not being for Biden is being for Trump” (which, curiously, is just the authoritarianist argument “those who are not with us are agains us”).
Why does the supposedly elected representative of all Americans firmly refuse to follow Americans as they turned against the Zionist Genocide and instead acts like all dictators by doing what he himself wants disregarding the will of those he is supposed to represent?
The argument of this and other similar posts which have innundated Lemmy would be a lot stronger if Biden wasn’t an example of doing the exact opposite of what these posts demand from others, both the part of doing whatever it takes to stop Trump (which, as I explained above. Biden is not) and swallowing one’s principles to stop something worse (i.e. Biden stopping acting as a Zionist in order to secure the votes to guarantee that Trump is stopped).
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If you think Trump will make your milk cheaper, you’re supremely delusional. He’s gonna give his corporate buddies massive tax breaks and crank up taxes on everyone else, which includes you if you’re not a billionaire.
That’s true but his messaging is heads and shoulders better. The longer Biden insists that the people are wrong and the economy is actually doing great, the worse it will get. People aren’t dumb, but they aren’t geniuses either. They can see their purchasing power is severely restricted from pre-covid times. Without training in economics, politics, and policy; they just aren’t going to be able to realize that it was a coincidence more than anything Trump did for them.
You big wrong.
Oh well if Cardi B said she won’t vote for Biden, I guess that’s that. If the average person thinks Biden is worse than Trump, then they’re either willfully ignorant or just straight up dumb. The milk isn’t gonna get any cheaper if Trump wins, bud.
see more Trump flags everyday(and literally not a Biden Flag anywhere
Maybe because Biden voters aren’t in a FUCKING CULT?
Disagree
Did you see the meme at the top? I’m not so sure that’s true anymore.
“Did you see the meme pointing out what happens when there are two leading candidates??? How cultlike!”
Reality is so scawwy.
And responding to every comment with ad hominems is the mark of a rational organization known for critical thinking.
I didn’t realize accusations of being a cult WEREN’T ad hominems. Good to see there are rules for me, but none for thee. Very typical of fascist rhetoric. :)
Oh no, I mean that in a very real way. There’s people available to help you if you want. This level of aggressiveness over someone else not supporting your group is not healthy.
This level of aggressiveness over someone else not supporting your group is not healthy.
I’m so sorry that I don’t want to live under a fascist regime that will kill me. I understand that fascists like you think this desire isn’t healthy, but I assure you, wanting to live is entirely normal, even for us filthy minorities.
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Everyone is mad but you’re mostly just sharing your experiences. This is why liberals suck, they never listen and assume they know best. Cardi B is honestly quite politically knowledgeable and articulate from what I have heard from her, but people are hating because she doesn’t speak in an upper class educated way.
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Bro its Lemmy, I didn’t Stan for Biden and got removed. These are the same tone deaf people who are gonna be surprised by a Biden loss.
Yeah, I know that’s the real reason but I wonder if they can possibly provide any justification.
Turns out your experiences don’t equate to everyone else’s, champ.
And you claim not to be a trump supporter, but towards the end, you deep throated the shit of him. So nice way of exposing yourself there.
If that’s deep throating a candidate then what’s someone who actually likes Trump?
Maybe if you guys stopped pushing away anyone who doesn’t “deep throat” Biden you’d have more support?
No one is even saying that. Criticism is valid when they’re valid points. You motherfuckers pounce at every chance you get to shit on him even when he does something good. But keep equating him to the guy who tried to overthrow the government and is actively trying to do so again. They even have their agenda right in the open so you can read up on it, champ. Project 2025.
Edit: And to answer your question if anyone supports trump they’re a fucking idiot.
Oh shit. Looks like you’re saying it right now. I’ve never equated the two. And yet here you are swearing at me. Now I don’t scare easily and I don’t let people on the internet tell me how to vote. But this ain’t how you get more votes. Fear mongering and threats have never worked for the democrats. So the only “fucking idiots” I see here are you guys, pushing voters away.
Trump supporters ARE idiots. They are not allies, nor do I give a shit about you holding your vote over me. Vote for who you want, but don’t cry with what you end up getting.
You’re still not getting it. I don’t care about you. I’m not going to vote either way because of you. But being an ass doesn’t attract voters. That’s all I’m trying to tell you.
You didn’t have to tell me because I didn’t give a fuck to begin with. I never asked for your opinion.
“I have been heard loud and clear. Now I sit and lay back like I always do anyway, and wait while fondling my purity then absent-mindedly yet lovingly sniffing my fingers, any moment now they will cater to me.”
That’s just the tip of the iceberg.
They often help fascists in the doxxing and smear campaign of more libertarian leftists, as an example.
Ah the daily fascism discourse multiplier thread. There’s never any meaningful discourse that comes out of these: just divisive kafkaesque noise.
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I don’t think you understand, having a fascist shithead in charge of the US is precisely the goal of these fine folks on .ml and .hexbear.
They want the us to be as equally fucked and censured as china. It’s their only hope for not being the internet’s laughingstock for another couple decades.
stop giving us shitty choices
these guys want fascist shit heads
stop giving us shitty choices
*these guys want fascist shit heads *
“I’m unhappy with the shitty choices, so I’m going with the fascist shithead” is a rather fascist thing to say.
Reading compression isn’t a strength if that’s how you read it
Reading compression isn’t a strength if that’s how you read it
At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion, this is not a fair representation of their complaints or desires. Maybe a minority of them want what you described.
It’s actually possible for our government to be more democratic if we could remove capitalist interference from our government structure.
The .ml users who are urging everyone to not vote don’t agree.
It is obvious that it would be easier to reach better governance without having a wannabe dictator in the executive branch appointing theocratic clowns into judgeships. But they actually want Donald in there to destabilize the US so that China can gain ground.
They don’t even deny it, I get reactions from them on a spectrum from “based based based based” to “any amount of collateral damage to minorities or surrounding countries is acceptable as long as colonialists are being genocided.”
True, it’s not black or white, there’s a spectrum of beliefs within those communities.
It’s not a good faith argument. They don’t want to question their support for Biden. So instead of actually thinking critically they make shit up so they can dismiss any criticism that would force them to actually think.
The problem is, yes government could and I would argue should be more democratic. But that isn’t how Leninism/stalinism/Maoism works. We have problems with adequate representation with two parties. Those groups want only one. And traditionally that party doesn’t take kindly to dissent. Rather than listening and adjusting policy to better address people. They simply exclude you from society if you’re lucky. Lock you up, brutalize you. And if they don’t think they’ve adequately broken you, kill you.
We need to remove authoritarian and private control of government. Capitalism would follow eventually. The problem is. That’s impossible with capitalists and ML alike.
I’d be happy with a social democracy that emphasizes a mixed economy with strong social welfare programs funded by progressive taxation. Examples include the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden).
I don’t know how to accomplish that though because the farther we slip into a class dictatorship, the harder it will be to enact progressive taxation. We’d all vote yes to tax the 1% richest more, but that will never be on any ballot for us to choose.
That would absolutely be a great start. But only that. A starting point.
Taxing the rich can be on the ballot. The problem is we often spend too much time fighting amongst ourselves letting the ownership class walk away with everything while we tussle over scraps. They’ve succeeded in putting a large portion of the population into a nihilistic Fugue state. Only trying to destroy things and hurt the group they’ve been told is the Boogeyman. Not improving things for themselves or others. As easy and as fun as it can be to ridicule conservatives importantly thought out plans and ideology. We need them. And they need us. If we want to make anything better that is. We need to break through the cynicism and nihilism and convince them that there is a way for things to be better.
It’s not a small task by any means.
But this is the whole point of the
red fasciststankiesThis message condones 80,000 votes for explicit fascism before accepting a single communist abstention.
Wtf is this messaging.
