Just got very lightly flamed by another user for making fun of crypto and was told that Lemmy and crypto have “the exact same advantages and disadvantages”. Now I disagree heavily there, since even if it shares some principles I’d argue that the scale of the problems change when you’re talking about a global finance system versus a social media platform filled with beans. But it did get me curious- how many of you are crypto supporters?
The hivemind of Lemmy has been the opposite so far in my experience. I’m probably what most here would call a “crypto bro,” though I wouldn’t call myself that.
It’s weird to me that the occupy wallstreet folks are all like “banks do it better.” It’s also weird to me that it’s gotten so polarizing. You don’t have to be a libertarian to see its benefits, and you don’t have to be a communist to want scammers locked up.
God, I hope not. Crypto is an interesting technology that’s been used to promote what’s essentially a scam. Just ask yourself this: Are the people into crypto using it to buy things? Or are they going to sell it for dollars at a high value and then walk away?
Most are the latter. Very few people even bother setting up software wallets. They just keep their crypto on markets and try to sell high.
That means that for most people, it’s not a currency at all, it’s an investment. But a normal investment is backed by something of value, while crypto is just backed by pure speculation - that is, it’s backed by all the other people who are trying to sell high, too. The name for a system where you get people to buy valueless assets and drive up their price so you can sell yours and leave others holding the bag is: “Ponzi scheme.”
The name for a system where you get people to buy valueless assets and drive up their price so you can sell yours and leave others holding the bag is: “Ponzi scheme.”
No, that’s a Greater Fool scheme. A Ponzi is more centralized and the people who get paid out are not supposed to be aware that the money is coming from new investors. Ponzi schemes hide that aspect of it. In a Greater Fool you are betting on someone being dumber than yourself enough to buy your worthless investment at a higher price.
A lot of crypto is Greater Fool, but there have been crypto Ponzi schemes.
As a side note, there is a cultural tendency to call all scams Ponzis when they are not. It is a specific type of scam.
It’s a bit of both. The increase in value for those who got in early is propped up by the hype of new bagholders.
Huh. I was thinking of the whole scheme being centralized around a few core people who push crypto, but I think you’re right. “Greater fool” is a better label for it. Thanks!
I do own & use cryptocurrencies a bit but would never had thought to link Lemmy to anything crypto related. Don’t even follow any crypto communities around here… being part of the Reddit exodus, over on Reddit there’s so much spam and shills surrounding the topic that I avoid those communities there too.
My guess is you just happened to run into a random crypto bro.
Nope. Crypto is clearly a scam
I use Monero to pay for online services such as VPN, hosting, domains, VPS, E2EE cloud hosting, solely because I don’t want to be on someone’s list of customers and I don’t want constant spam. Same reason I pay cash in stores and don’t have loyalty cards. Might be very slightly more pricey that way but the reward for me is no marketing teams to deal with.
I would argue no, in fact I feel like the Fediverse is a functional version of decentralization as opposed to Block Chains.
Block Chains are resource heavy, to the point of effecting the ecosystem. They’re supppsed to be 100% reliable yet major Block Chains have already needed to fork their databases, plus it’s very easy to scam and hack into wallets without any legal repercussions. And they have little to no use cases so we had to invent uses like Crypto and NFT. (Yeah there could be use cases for deeds and stuff, but with the unreliability I don’t want Block Chain anywhere near my house deed).
Meanwhile we have the Fediverse, which is essientially like a bunch of Discord servers stringed together, and it accomplishes a decentralized social network without the planet destroying or needless money speculation added on top.
No. One is a decentralized social media platform. The other is an environmentally irresponsible pyramid scheme. They have nothing to do with each other.
Lol, no I am not. Crypto in it’s current form, is not going to be a legitimate, stable, daily use currency. Digital money/systems with technological roots in crypto may be the future but it will be a 2nd cousin, once removed, at best.
NFTs as implemented, are also pure BS.
Crypto is and always has been a joke. It also doesn’t work that much like the fediverse, which is basically a webring where the sites like to copy each other. TBH I’m looking forward to the
webring hostLemmy instance drama and people beingkicked from the webringdefederated.I think in the early days it was because most here were left-leaning or libertarians, but now that the general public is starting to move in, it’s more neutral/slightly negative.
I’m not a crypto supporter. I do find the tech a bit interesting. I guess, tech-wise, Lemmy would be more comparable federated crypto like Stellar or Ripple (dunno if these are still federated, or if more popular federated crypto exists; been a very long time since I kept up with it). Without some sort of “trust” decentralized systems are too expensive (resource-wise) to be worth it, IMO.
Off-topic, but I’m kinda surprised p2p networks haven’t really advanced since Gnutella. I believe they had the concepts of trust/reputation and self-organizing networks with “super-peers” way back then.
I am. Did it full time for a living for about two years when I was sick. Had $300 dollars left to my name, and turned it into over $200k and paid off stuff for me and my girlfriend and then got a little house.
Not sure what comparison of crypto and Lemmy is, but guess thats my answer. I understand peoples view on support and not supporting crypto.
I am not. Plus the ones needing to be mined by wasting of ton of energy are basically an environmental disaster.
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Hell no.
They’re almost entirely scams. I don’t support tricking people out of their money.
They also ruined crypto as an abbreviation for cryptography, and spam every cryptography-related discussion forum. Even the NIST post-quantum standardization list has been getting their spam.
Just a legal pump and dump and a great example of why we let the SEC regulate markets.
What about Monero? It seems to be the only one that gives a shit about anonymity and privacy.
Monero’s ring signatures are an actually interesting bit of cryptography. And it does provide a real benefit (private transactions) that other payment systems don’t. Of course that means it breaks all the anti-money-laundering laws to exchange money to/from Monero, but it’s less of a joke than the rest. Still PoW though, so inherently destructive and not something I’ll support.
It’s destroying the environment with the way it works, so it’s still an extremely shitty thing to promote.
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So the monero web page is lying?
Proof of Work
Monero uses randomx, an ASIC-resistant and CPU-friendly POW algorithm created by Monero community members, designed to make the use of mining-specific hardware unfeasible. Monero previously used CryptoNight and variations of this algorithm. More info in the GitHub repo.
Or are you just lying trying to make a point without having a clue about what you’re talking about?
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It’s destroying the environment with the way it works, so it’s still an extremely shitty thing to promote.
I think cryptocurrency is a cool concept and can definitely have some legitimate uses. I just don’t think we’ve figured that part out yet. I’m firmly in the camp of “I do not support it but also am not against it”.
