Once Discord embraces enshittification, we will meet again. :)
Ironic that traditionally Nitro makes things happen faster, probably in this case as well
What do you mean? Genuine question, I’m loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it’s growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.
The joke in my brain was that Nitro is fast tracking the enshittification of discord
Mumble better
No need when you have free software Mumble + Murmur :)
Isn’t mumble hot garbage? My planet side outfit memes on it whenever it gets brought up.
mumble is pretty good. I’ve been using it for a few years, has great client server support, no bullshit on either side of the fence there. Super minimal client, though my linux client has issues with leaking memory, easy enough fix though, kill it and restart, which takes 2 seconds.
has pretty good bot support, you really can’t ask for much more, a bit more support and community utilization would be nice though, it’s somewhat dead.
So far mumble has been the definition of “just works”
Mumble is like a reliable Toyota Corolla. You will turn no heads, but it has all the features you would need for the task (encryption, room hierachies, ACL, machine-learning-enhanced noise canceling, positional audio, choice of method input like push-to-talk, mini UI overlay atop games), and does them efficiently.
…And like a Toyota Corolla, there’s probably a decent upgrade out there, but you might be compromising on more than you think. Want a car without the manufacturer tracking you or bloated, touch-screen navigation? Many ‘modern’ VoIP options, especially proprietary ones, are literally doing the latter.
Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.
Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.
[Matrix] is the most promising option right noe, having an ecosystem and eee
Schildi Chat is probably the best client I have spotted, full voice and video chat functionality in browser. People do way less hemming and hawing about downloading an app if they’ve already been able to try it out in web - just like discord
Schildi chat is a reskinned version of element, so if you don’t like the look of element you can use schildichat
Bullshit. Pics or it didn’t happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.
Either that or you’re bitching about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.
You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
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Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers
I have no interest in streaming “quested” games, and whatever deal Discord has done with the developer to encourage users to engage with such games (and by extension the game’s microtransaction economy), and regardless of what they call it, is by definition an advertisement. If you can’t see that, then you are an ad campaign exec’s wet dream. Either that, or a troll.
Oh, I still use Teamspeak! It’s very nice for small groups up to 32 people (after that one has to use the paid tiers). I do not use X though.
Maybe I’ll give Mumble a shot, so I can integrate it with Matrix/Synapse/Element.
Does mumble integrate with Element?
I didn’t try yet but there are guides.
There are mumble -> matrix bridges you can set up. It doesn’t integrate with element, it integrates with matrix, for which matrix is a client.
Those are text bridges though are they not?
no reason you couldn’t implement a voice bridge either, both have open communication standards. There’s existing bots/libs out there for similar things already. Probably wouldn’t even be all that hard to implement.
would recommend trying out mumble, it’s pretty slick.
Yeah, I feel like the OP picture is more of a commentary about the overlap, or lack of overlap, between people who use ts, and people that use the service formerly known as Twitter.
Didn’t know mumble could work together with matrix but makes sense
Have to test it but guides suggest that it’s possible
Still need it for arma’s radio mods
I’m absolutely still using teamspeak. Nice and light, and it let’s us run a soundboard plugin that let’s you have unlimited length audio clips. I just wish they’d update the plugin to support the 64-bit version.
Shit, that’s a real post. The whole account is just talking about how nobody uses TeamSpeak anymore.
That’s a pretty sweet paid gig for someone who does professional PR.
Very pathetic in any other scenario though.
just for ARMA stuff, like ACRE
That TS integration plugin was sooo good
No joke last time I launched team speak was scary lmao. I didn’t have my server anymore so my buddies and I joined a random one. As we were chilling and gaming random people joined in and called us the n word and then left over the course of our session lol definitely felt like a 360 CoD lobby
I have no idea what any of you are talking about and it’s great!
I used TS for the first time in like 15 years litterally two days ago, funny timing.
Yeah, I lost EVE. Again.
I enjoy teamspeak solely for Arma 3 ARCE and TFAR
people will come back if the bloat/ad-trend of discord continues… hopefully?
nah I’ll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I’ll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.
Are there modded clients for mobile?
Yes. Aliucord is stuck in the past BUT is running the NATIVE version of the app (not the shitty slow electron one).
Vendetta Manager, discontinued but there is a fork that works. Up to date with discord.
✋ paying for discord nitro
👉👉 paying your favorite client mod dev
Shit, there are discord mods? Is there a list somewhere of popular mods/what do you recommend?
vencord, hands down best modding client for the job. Just browse their catalog of avalabile plugins and get yourself a better experience ;D
Didnt know discord could be modded. Do you have any privacy enhancing mods you’d recommend?
As long as you’re on discord, privacy is just not a thing. However, there was this 1 plugin i really liked, called File Name Randomizer or something along those lines. It would just rename any image you upload to the platform to someone generic. Other than that, there’s the disabled telemetry that some clients come with, but that’s the extent of what I know.
The real question is: How in the world did Ventrillo continue to exist after TeamSpeak came along?
Vent was an object lesson in hostile UX. It sounded like shit, changing any kind of setting (even basic things like individual volumes) was a a gymnastics routine, and mics constantly clipped despite settings.
Vent was super lightweight, and easy to use. It’s why it lasted so long.
I had completely forgotten about Ventrilo, Team Speak, and Mumble. This whole post is a blast from the past.
Yea last vent server I ran was like 10+ years ago now… maybe even longer.
Where else are you going to suck balls… All day… Because you like it so much?
Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA…
it’s gonna be stuck in my head all day now
I hear you man
oh man, you’ve gotten it stuck in my head too!
Unpopular opinion, ventrilo was better than team speak. It didn’t sound like crap especially when you had good server codecs and it was extremely easy to use and lightweight.
I don’t think that’s unpopular at all, I only ever used vent in highschool and uni, some of the groups I ran with even went back to vent from TS becauae of the sound quality. It was simple and easy to use and pretty much everyone had it.
A lot of WoW people used vent and so people just used what they were used to
If you didn’t play EverQuest with Roger Wilco, don’t even talk to me about voice chat.
Well, here I was, wondering when EverQuest had added the protagonist of Space Quest to their game at some point, taking an embarassing amount of time before realising what this is actually saying.
I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
Ventrilo - old school WoW player…
What about Skype though?
/s
How would mumble take a week to spin up?
Serious EVE players are something else. The mention about IT security isn’t a hyperbole, some EVE players take the espionage meta-game very seriously, and even though it’s not only against the rules but also illegal, that’s not gonna stop them. I mean, once they literally got someone to turn off electricity for a whole town just so they can win a fight (I tried to find a link to the article, because I’m 90% sure I did read about it somewhere, but I can’t manage to find it anywhere, if anyone has a link. Maybe it was just a rummor, or an unexecuted plan?)
Yah… That used to be me… I try to keep in touch, dip my toe in the pool every year or so, go to the conventions and such. Almost 10 years ago I wrote my alliances auth system in Ruby on Rails, included those identicons you see as the old default profile pictures on github as the avatars on the internal forum and you couldent change then. The reason for this was that the token for the icon was your name and the posters mashed together so if a screenshot leaked we could reverse lookup who said what.
We never actually caught any spies with that, but that was the level of paranoia and planning that went into a crappy mid-sized group, in the game of today there are actual armies of 10k angry nerds. They are much more casual about it though, which is healthier for the players.
There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
Yeah. Just implement an IP whitelist.
Me who started with Roger Wilco: •.• >.>
Team skeet moment
