I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.
2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.
Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.
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Right now we’re in the “every other” release of Windows, the one that’s shit. 7 was good, so 8 was shit. 10 was good, so now 11 is shit. I’m not surprised you’re having problems.
Might try using 10 and see if that’s any better. At a minimum it’s not going to be nearly as picky about what it will or won’t install on.
I’ve kept 10 on my workstation, and let my laptop go to 11. I have only one beef with 11 and that I’d that I’ve had some taskbar folders I used as shortcut menus, and they take an extra click to get to on 11. Otherwise it’s practically transparent. Feels more like W10 SP3, really.
Which edition are you trying to install? Are you using an up-to-date ISO?
I’ve only ever used the business edition, and it’s never given me any trouble.- Head over to the tools section in the megathread at [email protected]
- Grab a clean business editon ISO from one of the listed sources.
- Create an installation flash drive using rufus.
- Make sure all the legacy CSM crap is disabled in BIOS.
- Boot off the flash drive and run the installer.
- When you get prompted to sign in with a Microsoft account click “Domain join instead” (or something similar).
- Create a normal account but leave the password field blank (to avoid having to enter security questions).
- After you finish the setup and get into Windows, hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete and set a password.
- (optional) Go into settings and either enter your legally obtained key to activate Windows (it should automagically recombobulate itself into a matching editon) or read through the aforementioned tools section for an alternative 🏴☠️
- ???
PROFITYou’ve installed Windows.
Grab a clean business editon ISO
I haven’t used windows in a long time, but when I was tinkering with windows LTSC IoT was the recommended ISO because of no bloat. Is this still the recommendation or is there a better version?
Latest LTSC is still on Windows 10 and the next one won’t be out till mid 2024.
I have it running without issue on some machines - not sure how it is for gaming though…
Like it’ll probably run most things but maybe there’ll be a loss in performance?
That does indeed sound intuitive.
That sounds like a lot of trouble lol
Lol come on dude it’s not that hard.
As someone who helped friends/family build PC gaming rigs multiple times last year (2023) I understand what you’re coming from W11 installer is pure dogshit.
Tbh tho, my dad always hated new Windows versions because he didn’t want to learn a new UI/UX, which I fine, but the windows experience isnt that hard to learn, even if it is different. Same thing with Linux, if you use GNOME/KDE/i3/hyprland/sway/<insert any DE/WM here> for the first time it won’t be easy to find all of the settings either.
But the W11 installer in particular sucks ass. There is so many restrictions that try to prevent you from even installing it. The one rescue for me was downloading the Rufus USB ISO tool and letting it download the W11 installer itself and apply patches which removed all the ridiculous restrictions.
I mean, you can even rub that shit in Virtual box if you want. My GF is literally running it on “unsupported hardware” according to Microsoft but windows updates and everything post-install is completely functional.
Only reason Mictorsoft Philips wants the restrictions is to have a tighter grip on the ecosystem and limit end consumers from installing it themselves and pushing that part to other companies or retailers which they can buy finished products (laptops etc) from instead of licenses.
Sounds like a skill issue on your behalf.
it feels like i’m still in /g/ with these types of posts
you went on a tirade about “windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best” without giving us any relevant information to help you with your “issue”, other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should’ve told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.
also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows “just works”. it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it’s that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you’re fucking up
This has got to be bait from that user. The third screen is like the keyboard screen. What the heck are they even talking about. 36 hours to still be in the first three screens.
I want to preface this with noting that I 99% agree with you on this, but to be fair Windows “just works” right up until it doesn’t.
What got me off Windows was how frequently all the UWP-powered system apps (like Screenshot Tool, Calculator, etc.) and even core stuff like Explorer would just have some key functionality just break randomly.
Not implying that programs on Linux don’t also just randomly shit themselves, but to pretend that Windows just works is a bit silly.
I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows
Building a PC technically doesn’t include OS installation.
Build it, boot your OS of choice from a live USB to verify the hardware all works, then walk away.
I told my friends and family years ago that I will be happy to set them up with a working Linux installation and will support them as needed… but if they want to use Windows they are on their own.
Not sure why you are having issues with Windows, but Wine on Linux goes from strength to strength in its ability to play Windows games. I have a Windows 11 laptop that I barely use, I am generally speaking unimpressed by Windows, but can play games on it with no issues.
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That sucks that it’s been such a pain.
I can’t say I’ve ever experienced the same though, windows install is a breeze and very fast, and on W10/11 these days everything just basically works perfectly out of the box for gaming.
This is trolling or the actual issue is an PEBKAC issue.
Windows has fallen far from grace in my opinion, but it is not the incompetent smoldering trash fire you are describing. You guys are doing something wrong.
Windows has it’s serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.
Strange. I install windows 11 at least 3 times a week at work, it takes about 5 mins and is useable out the box.
Perhaps you could try RevoOS
I know your struggle. It’s not uncommon to experience issues with the Windows installer if the install medium is not created using Microsoft’s official Windows installation media creation tool (Use the middle option to download mediacreationtool.exe).
Coming from Linux, I tried writing the Windows .iso directly to a USB drive using dd, this absolutely would not work on any machine for me. Sometimes the install medium would boot, sometimes it wouldn’t, but even if it did the installer wouldn’t recognize any storage mediums or would fail part way through installing. Using the official media creation tool resolved all the issues I was having.
I do not know why the Windows .iso images do not work on any of my machines, but it sounds like you are experiencing the same issues that I was. Give the official media creation tool a try, hopefully that resolves the issue.
The answert for this problem is Ventoy.
When I first tried Mint, I had to return to Windows because of Adobe stuff and I still didn’t feel comfortable with dual booting back then.
No matter what I do I can’t get the Windows 11 ISO I flashed with Balena on Mint to work. It boots but when it starts to copy its files to the hard drive it keeps complaining about not being able to read the USB.
I still can remember the burns I got when I cooked my neighbor caldereta for dinner later that afternoon. It was my thank you for him letting me use his Windows PC to burn the ISO to my USB. We sacrifice a lot for Linux lol 😅
Much later I realized that I could’ve just flashed Ventoy and copied the ISO to the USB. Should’ve Googled some more before bothering my neighbor 🙃
