Why is this a shitpost…?
At this point I don’t even look at what community posts are posted to. I’m just convinced that lemmy is just a big subreddit with no categorization whatsoever.
I think the community names on posts being too small and moderators not caring about community subjects is a massive contributor to that.
I still love it tho
But then parlaying that into “NASA must be lying earth flat” or “Imma videogame this pizza parlor” is where the problems begin
This is why nobody responds to my Grindr messages
I still can’t believe they essentially proved telepathy works and used it for 20 atleast years for missions with collaborative evidence.
Source?
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf project Stargate its all here
Telepathy. Obviously
was that enough accurate remote viewing experiences existed to defy randomness, but that the phenomenon was too unreliable, inconsistent, and sporadic to be useful for intelligence purposes.
Yep
Yeah, like they don’t know how to actually do telepathy, but they essentially know that telepathy works, for sure. /s
The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there were suspicions of inter-judge reliability.
If there was any evidence whatsoever that remote viewing or telepathy was a real thing which actually works, the world would be a very different place.
It takes just a few moments of critical thinking to debunk your pseudoscience claims.
Not even the CIA would be able to cover it up and someone would have collected their Million dollar prize
If you actually read the document their experiments contradict that statement.
And idk the CIAs word isnt very good historically so their statement of it being useless means nothing to me
Also scientists like Dean Radin have pretty much proved there is a sixth sense
I feel like I am talking with a bot who is programmed to annoy the scientifically literate.
Let us all bask in the absurdity of your thought process:
You first say ‘the CIA says that they can perform telepathy’, and then you say ‘the CIA says that they cannot perform telepathy’, then you say ‘I don’t trust what the CIA says’, and therefore: ‘the CIA can do telepathy’
Despite this horribly flawed methodology, the concept of telepathy is widely known to be pseudoscience. The claims of telepathy do not hold up to scrutiny. Your theories are easily debunked.
Radin’s ideas and work have been criticized by scientists and philosophers skeptical of paranormal claims. The review of Radin’s first book, The Conscious Universe, that appeared in Nature charged that Radin ignored the known hoaxes in the field, made statistical errors and ignored plausible non-paranormal explanations for parapsychological data.
You cite a quack who has a Wikipedia article that is 75% explaining how he is not a trustworthy source.
Lastly, if telepathy were a real actual thing that people can do, do realize how many other aspects of reality must also be of a conspiratorial nature? Its borderline paranoid schizophrenia to think something like telepathy is real and the CIA is covering it up.
Hopefully you can raise your standard of what constitutes evidence and apply a little more skeptical thinking when you come across wild claims that demand extraordinary evidence.
They aren’t covering it up but i probably am a paranoid schizophrenic and the the redacted experiments were meant to stay hidden. plus some if not most were destroyed
I dont see those theories being debunked at all just violently denied without actually properly testing the theories themselves
I am skeptical about everything What is perception? Can it be controlled? the CIA like to think so
What do you think is more likely, that telepathy is real or that it’s just your schizophrenia talking?
I also don’t believe that
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf its quite unbelievable for sure
Me neither, but I’d be convinced if someone teleported the proof into my brain.
Me neither, but I’d be convinced if I saw someone flying around like Superman.
Thankfully, there’s a wiki page
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has been the subject of a number of controversies…
God, what a fitting start/title.
Resignation of officials and agents who would not work for Donald Trump
I didn’t think I would come away with my opinion of the CIA improved.
For the rep they get, they actually do objectively more good than bad. It’s just that you’ll never hear about most the good and the bad sometimes tends to get extraordinarily bad. That’s just how it works, it’s why they were founded.
I just didn’t expect that topic in a list of controversies.
Most of the CIA is doing boring ass grunt work or important but secret shit that kinda could get everyone involved killed. For example sabotage of say Russian infrastructure or training of groups like the Kurds. And then on the otherhand you have some random agents drugging eachother and captured foreign spies.
Let’s be honest here. Which country’s secret paramilitary espionage service hasn’t been the subject of several controversies?
This isn’t an all sides bad thing.
Wikipedia Editing
Seeing this listed next to things like “Human Rights Concerns” made me chuckle.
It’s just like that TvTrope! https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking
Straight up just listening to Behind the Bastards/It Could Happen Here, the Dollop, or Knowledge Fight will make you sound like a crazy person if you talk about them to someone who has no interest in history or current events
No you don’t understand, they were turning seals into oil!!!
This is a direct consequence of Conway’s law. You create an organisation with the mission of deceiving and abusing, don’t be surprised if they produce deception and abuse.
Unity of ends and means strikes again!
Huh, well this is one of those things I’m going to see everywhere now
Melvin Conway and Hannah Arendt probably could have had a really fascinating with each other comparing ideas in computer and political sciences
Yup, and it makes perfectly intuitive sense once you know about it.
If you’ve ever used a software product with one of those left hand menus with a big list of capabilities from any “big” company, it’s almost assured that each item in that list is it’s own development team that’s only tangentially aware of what the others are doing, and the team in charge of maintaining the menu.I was on a team for a bit whose goal was to find places where we were shipping our org chart and make our tools play more nicely with each other.
End result: we found some really good areas to make them play better with each other, implemented them, and… They got their own entry in the left hand menu because maintaining a feature fully integrated with four disparate teams with different goals is really hard.
To our credit though, once you turn it on, our thing makes the lines between the products essentially disappear for our end users.TIL Foucault wasn’t the first person to have that idea, I’ve always heard it referred to as Foucault’s Boomerang
I mean it probably doesn’t help, but if you’re yelling anything at the sky you’re probably gonna sound a bit crazy /s
That’s excentric. Soviet Union would never admit such things.
Wasn’t there supposedly a recent coup attempt in Congo and they were a handful of Americans? Don’t know if CIA but more than likely CIA.
I have no proof but it was Def the CIA
“Let’s put LSD in this small town’s drinking water and see what happens.”
“What scientific purpose would this have?”
“It would be funny.”
“Good point. Operation Midnight Climax approved.”
I’m all for keeping the CIA accountable, but you’re conflating two things there.
I can’t find the part about spiking a small town’s drinking water in that article.
Thanks. That sure is messed up.
It’s also kind of a fringe theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Pont-Saint-Esprit_mass_poisoning
The attribution of the poisoning to the CIA in Albarelli’s book has been roundly criticized. Historian Steven Kaplan, author of an earlier book about the events, said that this would be “clinically incoherent: LSD takes effects in just a few hours, whereas the inhabitants showed symptoms only after 36 hours or more. Furthermore, LSD does not cause the digestive ailments or the vegetative effects described by the townspeople.”
To be clear: I have no reason to believe that the CIA circa 1951 wouldn’t or couldn’t pull this kind of stunt, just that the evidence that they in fact did is pretty shaky.
Thanks for the update.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Being unknowingly dosed with an unknown psychedelic is NOT a good time.
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A show called Snowfall touches on a CIA agent working to bring in cocaine to the US to fund anti-communist militias in South America. Good show overall. Not the best, but interesting.
It’s weird how people honestly learn more history from drama nowadays than actual school or something. And this isn’t a diss of any sort, I do that all the time; watch an interesting drama “based on reality” or something and afterwards I fact-check what things were actually historical and what weren’t.
Iran-Contra affair used to be pretty well known, actually, but there’s a clear generational gap and I’m other side of the gap. But I know it used to be known better. How do I know that? Well, from an American Dad bit, obviously (“Wow, I just learned while I was being entertained!”)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking
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That whole fun idea was proposed by Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian/Israeli double agent
I love how completely bonkers the iran contra scheme was: we’re gonna use drug money to buy missiles and f14 parts for a country that imprisoned a bunch of our own people, because… reasons?
to be fair people doing what is essentially high-treason while having access to an unlimited supply of cocaine might lead some of them to do a bump or two for the stress, leading to a horrible negative feed-back loop.
while simultaneously writing new laws to persecute cheap cocaine (crack) users militantly. it’s all so fucking nuts…
honestly the only people I would except that sort of shit is from people who are chronically somewhat psychotic from having abused stimulants for a loooong time. or ones who’ve not necessarily abused them long, but have stayed up for three or four days straight with stims. starts getting freaky at that point.
either or explains most of Trumps verbal output imho
The fun part is the shit you can’t talk about without disappearing.
Good times, good times.
It’s been 7 hours. You still here?
casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer is fine, he just can’t come to the Internet right now. 👍
Ah, must have been a simple internet outage, of course. Happens very often
Either the CIA is very good at it and no other countries can match them at toppling a regime, or they’re really sloppy and we only know about it because of it, plus other large nations are doing it better than them without raising suspicion.
It’s just high, high volume. You swing at every pitch and you’re statistically bound to eventually hit some home runs. The CIA is always up to some shit.
This is something that the CIA actively engages in. It’s not quite at the covfefe level of “we meant to get caught,” but they do occasionally put out the word that they like it when they’re perceived as ham-fisted bunglers as it makes it easier to get away with stuff.
This… this is the ninja thing again. Was Japan famous for its ninjas because they were the best in the world, or did every other country have ninja and Japan was just so shit at it that we associate them with Japan?
Because our perception of ninja is based around kabuki theater and not historical accuracy. Kabuki theater stage hands were always dressed in black to blend into the background. When an ninja assassination would happen in a show, the “stage hand” would do the assassination because the audience knows to kinda ignore the stage hands during the production.
IRL ninja would just look like normal people, waiting for the right opportunity to strike at someone.
They have by far the largest budget. The US, Japan, and SK are our vassels. Their intelligence agencies don’t do shit without us okaying it. There’s a reason that Europe didn’t say shit after we blew up nordstream 2.
Or - they want people to know. Fear is a powerful tool.
I’d go with all the above from both comments.
The reality is that the CIA can only go so far in actually manufacturing dissent. More often they merely amplify and enable opposition which already exists. That’s why the whole “CIA coup” meme is really a bit of a joke in the modern context. The CIA didn’t ship millions of protestors willing to eat bullets into Kyiv. The whining really does reduce to “how dare you convince people that your system is better and provide material support to people with real grievances?”. As if the CIA has a monopoly on agitprop
I’m sorry, but that’s fair game as far as I’m concerned. If you don’t like it then be less shitty.
Uhh the CIA has been working on promoting Banderaism since the 60s AT LEAST. Also, hardcore neonazis/banderists have died already during the battle for Bahkmut.
Everyone else is being sent to die for either MiC profits or it’s some type of depopulation plan.
I see it as they’re like master painters, just because you can see their brush strokes on the canvas, doesn’t mean it wasn’t masterfully done.
The CIA wants people to know what they’ve done but without giving away what they’re doing now and that’s what the CIA is really good at. It’s why things like Trump taking the classified documents with him to Mar a Lago was such a huge deal, because they contained secrets that are still in use today and has led to a number of our own agents getting captured or killed.
