I had to do some serious convincing to inform my mom about the CIA’s involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking.
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The ultimate conspiracy theory… The CIA is manufacturing conspiracy theories so that their actual, admitted, documented conspiracies are dismissed reflexively for sounding insane
Not even their worst or most prolific drug running scam. For anyone interested “operation gladio.” The CIA ran the herion game out of Myanmar, with the mob, from about 1944 onwards. Myanmar used to be the worlds largest producer of herion, until Afghanistan overtook them sometime in the late 00s / early 10s…
Now, I’m not saying China are the good guys or anything here. However, if I wanted to stop a rouge security agency from selling herion to fund secret, illegal wars around the world, I’d flood their neighbours with fentanyl.
And here I thought the whole Iran Contra thing would be the first one people would know
Right?? It was even in an episode of The Boys.
Either the CIA is very good at it and no other countries can match them at toppling a regime, or they’re really sloppy and we only know about it because of it, plus other large nations are doing it better than them without raising suspicion.
The reality is that the CIA can only go so far in actually manufacturing dissent. More often they merely amplify and enable opposition which already exists. That’s why the whole “CIA coup” meme is really a bit of a joke in the modern context. The CIA didn’t ship millions of protestors willing to eat bullets into Kyiv. The whining really does reduce to “how dare you convince people that your system is better and provide material support to people with real grievances?”. As if the CIA has a monopoly on agitprop
I’m sorry, but that’s fair game as far as I’m concerned. If you don’t like it then be less shitty.
Uhh the CIA has been working on promoting Banderaism since the 60s AT LEAST. Also, hardcore neonazis/banderists have died already during the battle for Bahkmut.
Everyone else is being sent to die for either MiC profits or it’s some type of depopulation plan.
Or - they want people to know. Fear is a powerful tool.
I’d go with all the above from both comments.
This is something that the CIA actively engages in. It’s not quite at the covfefe level of “we meant to get caught,” but they do occasionally put out the word that they like it when they’re perceived as ham-fisted bunglers as it makes it easier to get away with stuff.
I see it as they’re like master painters, just because you can see their brush strokes on the canvas, doesn’t mean it wasn’t masterfully done.
The CIA wants people to know what they’ve done but without giving away what they’re doing now and that’s what the CIA is really good at. It’s why things like Trump taking the classified documents with him to Mar a Lago was such a huge deal, because they contained secrets that are still in use today and has led to a number of our own agents getting captured or killed.
It’s just high, high volume. You swing at every pitch and you’re statistically bound to eventually hit some home runs. The CIA is always up to some shit.
They have by far the largest budget. The US, Japan, and SK are our vassels. Their intelligence agencies don’t do shit without us okaying it. There’s a reason that Europe didn’t say shit after we blew up nordstream 2.
This… this is the ninja thing again. Was Japan famous for its ninjas because they were the best in the world, or did every other country have ninja and Japan was just so shit at it that we associate them with Japan?
Because our perception of ninja is based around kabuki theater and not historical accuracy. Kabuki theater stage hands were always dressed in black to blend into the background. When an ninja assassination would happen in a show, the “stage hand” would do the assassination because the audience knows to kinda ignore the stage hands during the production.
IRL ninja would just look like normal people, waiting for the right opportunity to strike at someone.
I still can’t believe they essentially proved telepathy works and used it for 20 atleast years for missions with collaborative evidence.
I also don’t believe that
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf its quite unbelievable for sure
Me neither, but I’d be convinced if someone teleported the proof into my brain.
Me neither, but I’d be convinced if I saw someone flying around like Superman.
Source?
Telepathy. Obviously
was that enough accurate remote viewing experiences existed to defy randomness, but that the phenomenon was too unreliable, inconsistent, and sporadic to be useful for intelligence purposes.
Yep
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf project Stargate its all here
Yeah, like they don’t know how to actually do telepathy, but they essentially know that telepathy works, for sure. /s
The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there were suspicions of inter-judge reliability.
If there was any evidence whatsoever that remote viewing or telepathy was a real thing which actually works, the world would be a very different place.
It takes just a few moments of critical thinking to debunk your pseudoscience claims.
Not even the CIA would be able to cover it up and someone would have collected their Million dollar prize
If you actually read the document their experiments contradict that statement.
And idk the CIAs word isnt very good historically so their statement of it being useless means nothing to me
Also scientists like Dean Radin have pretty much proved there is a sixth sense
I feel like I am talking with a bot who is programmed to annoy the scientifically literate.
Let us all bask in the absurdity of your thought process:
You first say ‘the CIA says that they can perform telepathy’, and then you say ‘the CIA says that they cannot perform telepathy’, then you say ‘I don’t trust what the CIA says’, and therefore: ‘the CIA can do telepathy’
Despite this horribly flawed methodology, the concept of telepathy is widely known to be pseudoscience. The claims of telepathy do not hold up to scrutiny. Your theories are easily debunked.
Radin’s ideas and work have been criticized by scientists and philosophers skeptical of paranormal claims. The review of Radin’s first book, The Conscious Universe, that appeared in Nature charged that Radin ignored the known hoaxes in the field, made statistical errors and ignored plausible non-paranormal explanations for parapsychological data.
You cite a quack who has a Wikipedia article that is 75% explaining how he is not a trustworthy source.
Lastly, if telepathy were a real actual thing that people can do, do realize how many other aspects of reality must also be of a conspiratorial nature? Its borderline paranoid schizophrenia to think something like telepathy is real and the CIA is covering it up.
Hopefully you can raise your standard of what constitutes evidence and apply a little more skeptical thinking when you come across wild claims that demand extraordinary evidence.
They aren’t covering it up but i probably am a paranoid schizophrenic and the the redacted experiments were meant to stay hidden. plus some if not most were destroyed
I dont see those theories being debunked at all just violently denied without actually properly testing the theories themselves
I am skeptical about everything What is perception? Can it be controlled? the CIA like to think so
What do you think is more likely, that telepathy is real or that it’s just your schizophrenia talking?
On a similar note, I get irate when people call the Business Plot a conspiracy theory. It’s just a conspiracy. We know it happened.
Meh not really that wild especially when FDR kinda opened the can of worms by disregarding the 150 year old precedent that president’s should only serve 2 terms. He also failed in his attempt to permanently stack the SC proposing to expand the number of justices to 15. Despite his failure he was still able to annoit 8 SC justices while in office. Let’s also not forget his refusal to support anti-lynching laws and the whole complete disregard to the constitutional policy and procedure.
Not meaning to down play it but for OP’s actual topic of discussion, The Business Plot doesn’t even skim the surface of the CIA’s depravity.
Edit: This is entirely my opinion of the matter and I didn’t mean it to be as discrediting to you point as it comes accross. The Business Plot was and still is completely fucked.
FDR’s threat to add a justice every year a justice failed to retire after the age of 70 was pretty well targeted though. It sent the intended message.
The fun part is the shit you can’t talk about without disappearing.
Good times, good times.
It’s been 7 hours. You still here?
casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer is fine, he just can’t come to the Internet right now. 👍
Ah, must have been a simple internet outage, of course. Happens very often
“Let’s put LSD in this small town’s drinking water and see what happens.”
“What scientific purpose would this have?”
“It would be funny.”
“Good point. Operation Midnight Climax approved.”
I can’t find the part about spiking a small town’s drinking water in that article.
Thanks. That sure is messed up.
It’s also kind of a fringe theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Pont-Saint-Esprit_mass_poisoning
The attribution of the poisoning to the CIA in Albarelli’s book has been roundly criticized. Historian Steven Kaplan, author of an earlier book about the events, said that this would be “clinically incoherent: LSD takes effects in just a few hours, whereas the inhabitants showed symptoms only after 36 hours or more. Furthermore, LSD does not cause the digestive ailments or the vegetative effects described by the townspeople.”
To be clear: I have no reason to believe that the CIA circa 1951 wouldn’t or couldn’t pull this kind of stunt, just that the evidence that they in fact did is pretty shaky.
Thanks for the update.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Being unknowingly dosed with an unknown psychedelic is NOT a good time.
I’m all for keeping the CIA accountable, but you’re conflating two things there.
This is why nobody responds to my Grindr messages
A show called Snowfall touches on a CIA agent working to bring in cocaine to the US to fund anti-communist militias in South America. Good show overall. Not the best, but interesting.
It’s weird how people honestly learn more history from drama nowadays than actual school or something. And this isn’t a diss of any sort, I do that all the time; watch an interesting drama “based on reality” or something and afterwards I fact-check what things were actually historical and what weren’t.
Iran-Contra affair used to be pretty well known, actually, but there’s a clear generational gap and I’m other side of the gap. But I know it used to be known better. How do I know that? Well, from an American Dad bit, obviously (“Wow, I just learned while I was being entertained!”)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking
I love how completely bonkers the iran contra scheme was: we’re gonna use drug money to buy missiles and f14 parts for a country that imprisoned a bunch of our own people, because… reasons?
to be fair people doing what is essentially high-treason while having access to an unlimited supply of cocaine might lead some of them to do a bump or two for the stress, leading to a horrible negative feed-back loop.
while simultaneously writing new laws to persecute cheap cocaine (crack) users militantly. it’s all so fucking nuts…
honestly the only people I would except that sort of shit is from people who are chronically somewhat psychotic from having abused stimulants for a loooong time. or ones who’ve not necessarily abused them long, but have stayed up for three or four days straight with stims. starts getting freaky at that point.
either or explains most of Trumps verbal output imho
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That whole fun idea was proposed by Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian/Israeli double agent
Why is this a shitpost…?
At this point I don’t even look at what community posts are posted to. I’m just convinced that lemmy is just a big subreddit with no categorization whatsoever.
I think the community names on posts being too small and moderators not caring about community subjects is a massive contributor to that.
I still love it tho
CIA is everything Hollywood movies depict terrorists and evil organizations to be.
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That’s excentric. Soviet Union would never admit such things.
I mean it probably doesn’t help, but if you’re yelling anything at the sky you’re probably gonna sound a bit crazy /s
After learning about the experiment where a woman lived in a house with a dolphin to teach it, and by the end of the project she was instructed to jerk off the dolphin to calm him down, I cannot be surprised anymore
What?! You are remembering that story wrong. She was a dolphin trainer or some scientist and jerked of the dolphin because she thought the dolphin was depressed and lonely.
Edit: Found the source https://allthatsinteresting.com/margaret-howe-lovatt
She gave an interview on, I think Radiolab?
It turns out they do this too in places where they keep dolphins in captivity. Like with theme parks that do shows with them. Most likely to calm them down and so they can keep them in smaller places backstage when there are no shows going on.
That experiment was proposed by Carl Sagan, though I’m reasonably certain he meant that we should inject the humans with LSD to learn dolphin languages, not the other way around.
Source? I don’t think Sagan suggested the LSD use either way, that was John Lilly’s thing.
Sagan was interested in Lilly’s dolphin experiments because he was interested in developing inter species communication techniques, because he was really interested in how we could communicate with aliens.
Lilly was the psychonaut. He invented the sensory deprivation tank during the dolphin experiments, would use it on LSD to try to telepathically communicate with them, and gave the dolphins LSD a few times. Years after the dolphin experiments he went kind of nuts taking high dose ketamine and trying to communicate with aliens.
What do you mean later he went nuts? Maybe it worked.
Haha, read his book. He wrote about kholing himself and in that state would receive communications from the aliens that are in a higher dimension and would give him instructions to change the course of events in this world to save humanity… Or something like that.
Also at one point during that he fell into his pool and nearly drowned.
Yeah maybe it worked.
Proposed is too strong a word here. The paper I read about it mentioned that he talked with Lilly about it while Lilly was designing the experiment
Wasn’t there supposedly a recent coup attempt in Congo and they were a handful of Americans? Don’t know if CIA but more than likely CIA.
I have no proof but it was Def the CIA
