Finally! Finally they’re trying to take the bullets out of the gun instead of trying to make a stronger bulletproof vest. I feel cautiously optimistic!
I’m a bit jealous that there’s no side effects, though. Depo made me gain 30lbs in ONE month. I’m lucky it made my tits significantly bigger (Went from a B to a DD), but that was not a fun experience.
Honestly, as a dude, I’m 100% down for male birth control. Can’t wait.
Same. I’ve always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don’t trust anyone else with something that consequential
Will definitely be awesome when all parties have comfortable, reliable, safe options to protect themselves
Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.
“Extra Level”? It’s more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?
Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!
You can already do that with condoms and no one is messing up their body…
Exactly.
Condoms would be 99% effective if they could be made idiot-proof.
Sucks you’re being down voted, I mean maybe saying “idiot-proof” isn’t nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I’m currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
It’s the Internet.
People downvote a lot of stuff.
Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
Bummer.
2/3 of the states will follow in another year. That’s what happens when we elect people no matter how badly they do their jobs.
I’m not voting for this scum, but yeah, we’ll see. Hoping it’ll make it to the ballot so the people can actually vote to amend the state constitution like others have. The people may be dumb at electing Representatives, but get a straight forward measure up for vote and the people seem to follow through in correcting it.
Condoms are only 99% effective. You NEED a second layer of defence.
They’re 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.
I’m a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I’ve had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they’re “professional condom putters onners”.
It’s not the condom’s fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn’t let sperm through, it’s that simple, it’s been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don’t want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.
Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren’t in bed with them isn’t much of a proof, it’s as valid as me telling you I’ve never got any girl pregnant even when we weren’t using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.
What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it’s much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?
Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women’s bodies pretty severely sometimes. It’s a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.
But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.
Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it’s in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can’t be burdened upon men?
Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman’s private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.
I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.
And fuck off of course it’s easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It’s a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.
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Woah there, you shouldn’t berate someone, belittling them for being “too young” and then act like a child in the supermarket when they didn’t get the Matchbox Car they wanted. Jeez!
A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it’s formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?
Because it doesn’t. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don’t try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.
What I meant is that it’s easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it’s way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.
Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I’d still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.
Do the copper IEDs have negative side effects? I thought the objection to those was purely moral.
Edit: I meant IUD lol
My wife got repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.
If you go looking for testimonials you’ll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.
Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it’s no big deal, but it’s very painful.
Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women’s ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I’ve heard of doctors dismissing women’s pain and issues makes me want to scream.
IEDs have very negative effects, but you wouldn’t really call them side-effects.
And IUDs involve surgery which has its own risks including perforating the uterus, plus they can become infected and cause sepsis which is deadly, plus in general infections suck. Some women suffer immense pain which may or may not be ignored by their doctors. They also do release hormones which have fewer side effects because they’re more local, but they’re not side effect free.
Many of these issues were much worse in the earlier days, where many women died or suffered serious illness and permanent infertility whilst doctors didn’t take them seriously because women are often ignored by doctors where men would not be. So the level of safety the devices now have was bought with a lot of women’s unnecessary suffering.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/iud-risks-and-complications-906766
Yep.
Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn’t a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.
The side effects aren’t just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn’t you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.
Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.
Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people
The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn’t have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn’t exist.
You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you’re assuming that’s just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it’s pretty rare.
This is a really dumb take. The onus of birth control should not be only on the women.
Condoms are a thing
Condoms don’t work for everyone’s body.
Edit: to be clear I’m saying it’s not that simple. There should be more options for anyone with a penis to be able to handle this important implication of having sex. For anyone in general, more options are always good.
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Calling someone dumb isn’t a good way to start a discussion. When men wear condoms how can you claim the onus is on women? My wife didn’t want to take hormones so I wore condoms, every couple has that option.
I didn’t call them dumb, I called the statement a really dumb take, not the same thing.
The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the “disease,” the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it’s very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.
The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don’t overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)
Hippocrates wasn’t American and the oath was made sometime around the 4th century BCE. It’s been part of medical tradition since then (at least if you follow ancient Greek tradition)
While that is indubitably correct, the only jurisdiction I know that makes binding references to whatever is used as “Hippocratic oath” is the U.S.
Thanks! TIL
Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What’s stopping us from treating birth control the same way?
It’s medical ethics, not the Hippocratic Oath. Most doctors swear to an ethical standard. Besides, “first, do no harm” is a bit unhelpful if you’re a surgeon.
Otherwise you’re right, the risks of pregnancy outweigh the side effects of birth control, which is why birth control for women doesn’t have as high a standard for mitigating other consequences.
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yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It’s baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are…
Right? I’m at the point where I can’t possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.
I’ve got one, but I wouldn’t want another one every year, and I certainly would not want to stop having fun times with the wife either…
i was half joking but i use contraceptives because i cant afford one.
i’m not even thinking about 10 and never will.
share the load
Sorry. I’m a child.
If only your dad had had this pill
You seem nice.
Agreed. Always better to unload the gun rather than try to stop it with armor
the first trials for this resulted in men becoming sterile and then killing themselves.
And then a bunch of female comedians made fun of them for “being a little moody”
Did this happen? Or was this a satirical take on something that happened to women?
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free, what with the strokes. But also, sauce?
Pretty sure that was a joke…
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free,
I never said otherwise.
Okay.
Lmao that’s kinda funny response though
The point of the joke is not that they think men are being babies about it. It is that women’s birth control causes these same side effects, along with strokes, and a number of other serious, long term issues. However when women say they do not want to take birth control, and instead opt for doing things that require more responsibility of the man, they are often told similar things concerning the negative effects they get when using it, and they should just deal with it.
birth control for women doesn’t make a woman permanently sterile like the drug trials for male birth control did for men
That is actually not true. Not downplaying the significance of these effects, but…
In the 60s and 70s a large number of planned parenthood clinics were in low-income and predominantly black neighbourhoods, aimed at reducing the number of black babies.
In the same era birth control (more appropriately termed eugenics) programs forcibly sterilized black and indigenous women. Where it was presented as an option, the consequence for not following through on these doctor’s “recommendations,” were threats to withhold healthcare or public assistance. The statistics through the 60s and 70s were that roughly 1 in 4 indigenous women were non-consenually sterilized.
But also, yeah, the results of this trial are fucked and people are right to be skeptical of this drug.
More info on this here:
I had assumed the women weren’t sterilised by the normal contraceptive meds, but it seems they used a large dose of Depo-Provera which is a legit contraceptive injection. Not the usual pills but still.
There are also stories in that article of people having forced hysterectomies.
America’s history of racism is so dark.
Maybe not, but female hormonal birth control can cause liver tumors and blood clots. Can’t have more kids if a blood clot kills you.
The moral of the story should be safer contraceptives for everyone…
Unfortunately for women they weigh the side effects of hormonal birth control against those of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy also increases the chance of blood clots and other things they just say “good enough!” And put it on the market…which is bullshit. Either way we’re at higher risk of serious health issues.
That’s why women are angry. I feel confident saying the majority of women dont want unsafe bc for men. We want more research into safer bc options available for us too.
Sorry it’s very rare to cause the least of the issues on that list, must mean they don’t have a point.
And moments after its efficacy was proven, Louisiana banned it.
Me still waiting on Vasalgel after 2 decades.
Pharmaceutical companies just aren’t interested in it.
Ha jokes on them, the plastic in my balls is permanently shutting of my sperm!
Plastic is stored in the balls
thank you
Oh, I’m way ahead of them there, with 44 years of shitty diet and lifestyle choices.
I’ve been ingesting mirco plastics on purpose to avoid having children!
you should be ingesting macroplastics if you want real results
It seems to be working. They found microplastic in every testicle in their study
So only the lucky unfit sperm destined to produce one who wears a red cap will be able to successfully fertilize the egg?
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I can’t find much on the mechanism of action (serine/threonine kinase antagonism), other than it’s been tried to fight cancer and failed, hopefully it doesn’t have any terrible side effects.
It sounds safer than the retinoic acid antagonist one that was posted a while ago anyway, I can’t imagine a drug that does the opposite of tretinoin will be popular.
Every sperm is sacred!
for the downvoters, it’s a song from a Monthy Python movie, so comedy (and great one at that!)
god damn the comments on this post are the fucking wild west
Vasectomy gang 😎😎✂️✂️ All juice no seeds
How was the recovery process? I keep meaning to do it (we’re done having kids), but we keep having trips or whatever, so excuses pile up.
How soon could I be back doing active things? I have young kids, so “active” to me means roughhousing with the kids and whatnot.
The worst was over in a couple of days but for the next three months it stuff there was a slight discomfort in some situations
My close bois had a really easy time, they all said “something felt different for a week or two but life was normal otherwise”
A small percentage of dudes have a horrible time though, and that’s awful.
Pretty quick.
My kids are currently 5 and 2 had my vasectomy about 6 months after the second (wanted sooner but no appointments available, and it’s first consult then another appointment).
Toughest thing for me was the second day. Day of I was given Valium, procedure was easy peasy. I’d call it a few days of discomfort, just plan to take it easy.
Make sure you get your own pain medication ahead of time. Mine was apparently worse than the other replies, and the doctor being stingy about meds made it needlessly terrible.
No I don’t otherwise do opiates. Doctors are just stingy because of the people who are on opiates.
I did the thing on ibuprofen. Your guys get serious pain medication for that?
Maybe my surgeon sucked, because it was definitely not an ibuprofen situation.
Good advice. I’ve never had surgery outside of wisdom teeth removal, and other than then, I’ve never used anything stronger than ibuprofen. I’ve taken some pretty rough spills, so I think I have a high pain tolerance, but I don’t know for sure.
My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn’t felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.
I knew a guy who didn’t respond to the local anesthesia, and could feel the whole thing, and his doctor didn’t believe him.
Even he didn’t regret it.
Oh, yeah, my local wore off halfway through. When they applied more, it felt like they lit my nuts on fire.
Mine was rough too, about 6 months before I was normal.
Not a single fucking regret
I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.
That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.
but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives
EVEN AFTER REVERSING THE PROCEDURE
Look, it’s SUPER rare. We still drive cars even though, using my state of California as an example, eight of us die on the roads every day.
But…
I could never forgive myself if my groin hurt thirty years from now because of a singular & highly-optional decision I made today.
Same with LASIK - some have dry eyes forever afterwards. Nooooooo
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards
When I did mine, I drove myself home and put a bag of peas on there for the afternoon. I was fine pretty much right away, but I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wild.
Plus you have to ejaculate like 30 times in two weeks to clean out the pipes, but your sperm is still active so you can only do hand and mouth stuff. That was a pretty good two weeks.
It’s literally so easy and the peace of mind is really nice especially if you’re impulsive as fuck like me.
I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wil
My brother only waited 2 days because he felt like he was recovering well. He said everything felt great right up to the point he nutted. Then it was like someone punched him in the balls. He was like "oh yes… oh yes… OH YES… OH GOD NO!!!
Not OP, but mine was really pretty manageable. 2 days of sitting in an easy chair and icing my balls, 2 days of “walking is fine, but avoid any sudden movements,” and a week of “it’s a little sore, but it doesn’t really hurt.” After that, it was about 2-3 weeks where I didn’t really notice it unless I moved the wrong way too suddenly (whereupon I’d get a quick twinge, but nothing too bad).
Really a pretty small cost for the benefits. I don’t really like painkillers, but I do recommend some THC gummies for the first week and a fresh series to binge
Mine wasn’t too bad. I spent a couple days on the couch taking OTC pain killers, and was able to move around well enough to light house work after a couple days. Honestly the hardest part was the month waiting to have sex before I could confirm it worked.
Not bad at all.
For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It’s been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I’m going to humble brag here- I’ve been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.
I didn’t really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn’t hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don’t lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.
All in all, I don’t regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.
How the hell is one supposed to avoid getting any erections? Morning wood isn’t exactly something people have any degree of control over…
Hmm I’m not sure. I got it over summer in college and work a desk job, so I got it done on friday, chilled all weekend on the couch watching movies, building legos, snacking, and icing my nuts, and I was back to work on monday
I got mine last year. I was fully recovered in terms of physical activity within probably 4-5 days but I did get two very uncomfortable sperm granulomas that hung around for several days each. My nuts swelled up and turned purple so that was pretty fucking scary but it wasn’t anything dangerous. Just a lot of aching. But within a month I was completely back to normal.
Multiple of my friends reported being totally fine right after, with no pain. Not even frozen peas. But they all waited a couple weeks before doing cum again.
The Caveat is that it is permanent and irreversible for the average person with very few exceptions.
EDIT: added “for the average person”
That’s kinda the point
Also why it isn’t a replacement for birth control.
Exactly, one of the best decisions I ever made
Another caveat is that it’s not allowed for men under 25 in my country (Sweden). “My body - my choice” only applies to one gender lol
edit: Although, to be fair, sterilisation is also not allowed for women under 25. They do ofc have many more options though
There’s actually a pretty high success rate for surgical reversal. Some clinics hitting 90%. Still, not ideal.
Successful reversal meaning they managed to glue the tubes back together. Successful pregnancies are significantly lower afaik
Yeah, but how available are those clinics to the average person? I’ve never looked into it personally, but I assume travel is necessary and costs are out of pocket.
Absolutely a correct take, I’d say. I know that my insurance would cover it but this is the first time that I’ve EVER had insurance that would touch anything related to fertility (beyond female birth control) with a 10ft pole. I’d say that it’s fair to say that the average person in the US does not have access, mainly due to the awful level of “normal” for healthcare accessibility.
I’ve looked into it recently, myself. I wanted to see if the snip was an option due to how hormonal birth control impacts by wife. With the desire to still have kids at some point, it’s not a sure enough thing currently and is not recommended for people like me (“if you’re looking into reversibility, it’s probably not for you”). When I last looked a decade ago, success rates were topping out around 60-70%. Advances in surgical technique and technology have really improved things though. If only something like vasalgel would actually see availability - I’m not confident though, after two decades of failure.
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I’m worried about pain. Also pain lasting a long/ permanent time.
Also I had epididymitis already. So maybe I shouldn’t go for it.
But too many guys get lied to and end up with a kid they didn’t want. That’s my biggest worry.
I got mine from Dr. Dick Chopp.
I had a GP named Richard Cutter.
I gave myself one with a pair of rusty nail clippers, it worked well.
You’re missing the delicious smoke!
Dr. Richard Chopin.
Too subtle?
Male self control breakthrough keeps their dick in their pants and don’t have sex for a while. Try it some time, it’s fantastic.
I tried it, but when I’m around your mom, she keeps begging for it!
When it comes to birth control for far too long women have been getting the short end of the…… oh, nevermind
