First I’ll do whatever I can to be sure my communications and whereabouts aren’t trackable, tell my friends how to contact me, and recommend they use the same channels anyway.
Then I’ll find protests to go to and local campaigns to support however I see fit, and I’ll do that right up to the point where I feel unsafe, at which point I don’t know how I procede.
This would essentially require you to not communicate outside of Signal.
So be it, I guess. If that turns out to be unrealistic I would just have to be careful about the content of the messages I send. Discord and WhatsApp have to go, obviously, but I think I could convince most of my friends and family to download Signal if push came to shove. Maybe I could look into hosting a small Matrix instance if I felt comfortable with whatever risks would come with that.
I don’t think a second Trump administration is going to force me into complete anonymity, at least not overnight. I do want to commit to keeping my finger on the pulse so to speak, and staying a step ahead of whatever threats to my rights may be introduced. I have friends that would be much more threatened by Trump 2 than myself so if I can familiarize myself with these tools then I think I can help them feel safer.
Anarchy seems more likely to mr than fascism in the aftermath of such an election outcome. Trump has too many haters for there to be a peaceful transition this time.
I don’t think you can state the plan legally
Oh man. I’m pretty non-violent, but Nov 2016, when my adult kids called me in tears, i had ideas swirling.
If I end up on try that jury, not guilty.
Jury nullification goes brrrrrrrrrrrrr
Tree of liberty is gettin’ mighty thirsty.
sic semper tyrannus
…tyrannis
Though you might have thought of Darth Tyranus. Which is fine.
You and I both know I was thinking of Tyrannosaurus Rex, but okay.
He had the right idea.
He came and he went.
Hope that Canada or one of the Nordic/EU countries have job openings for an engineer.
Why wait? Did the math, and depending where you go and what state you currently live in, you might even pay less in taxes (or even about the same if you go somewhere high tax like Finland and are coming from a lower tax state like Wisconsin - only 2.3% difference) while also not having to pay in healthcare. Public transportation is so excellent here a car is literally just a luxury, so if you can even consider transportation savings.
Really the only hurdle is language, but practice everyday really hard and you can get the gist of it. Most international companies here use English as primary working language anyhow.
The main hurdle is really experience (I am <5yr) and family (my parents are aging and may need my intervention in fewer years than I think). Firms usually only hire internationally for skilled engineers and there’s no guarantee my accredited degree from the US is valid anywhere else. And if I went someplace other than Canada, the travel costs would likely result in me only coming back to see the rest of my family once every two years, which sucks and could pose actual problems.
Don’t get me wrong, I honestly do like the idea of going someplace with real human rights, but unless it becomes clear there is actually a threat to my existence I can’t justify that big of a change. I love my family too much.
I fully understand. But just do consider that once it begins a threat to your existence, it might be too late, based off past history in other places at least. Consider that EU countries are preparing for a potential Trump presidency too, and Finland and others will no longer accept entry with just a passport, even for vacation, starting next year. That’s why I’m determined to help as many as I can move now while there’s still time.
If you do want to look into jobs here in Finland at least I’d be glad to help.
Same thing I did last time he was president. Ignore the news and spend as much time as possible in the woods on a bicycle.
And if he gets what he wants you’ll just never return from the woods? The dude that reasons that presidents can kill opposition- literally
That’s my intention and I’ve been doing it for decades. It’s kind of president-independent action.
Al-Awlaki. The president can order the death of American citizens. The fact that we’re pretending they already haven’t is insane.
They shouldn’t be able to at all, of course, but it’s what you do with a standing army.
Whine about my taxes going up again. Cry laugh at John Stewart. Go defend my school board
My plan is to leave the US my rent ends in November of 2025 so if trump wins I’m probably be leaving country
Then he’ll be President a second time.
If he’s allowed to take office again, he’ll be king, not president.
Does a President actually have that much power?
No, but the power to make laws lies in the senate / congress. If they are also in republican hands then together they could possibly change the laws to enact a dictatorship.
Pretty much, the Republican party all the way up to Trump doesn’t even hide that they’re anti-Democracy, and attempts to break democratic systems that underpin our entire government nay our way of life are basically out in the open.
Someone has already opened an opportunity for me to move to the UK, but for non-political reasons. Though it will remain an option.
Have a general sense of disappointment and despair as I watch bad decisions be made. My glimmer of hope is that he is an old man in bad shape and he could drop dead at any moment now.
Stick around and keep trying to improve the country despite everyone else’s best efforts to fuck it all up
This is my plan. I have to finish medical school anyways, and once I’ve done that, I’ll be in a better position to help other people.
Oh you sweet summer child
What have you done lately?
I’m very curious as to why you think I’m naive in some way, and why you see yourself as so much wiser than another internet stranger.
I’m a bit cynical here and I think the country is headed down the same path whether Trump or Biden wins in November. We’re seeing pseudo-fascist rhetoric increase in frequency. We’re seeing authoritarian and militaristic policies pass virtually unopposed through our political system. War is virtually guaranteed with either candidate.
I know this opinion may be unpopular but I don’t think this election matters very much. There are of course potential differences- such as access to abortion. If Biden wins, maybe there’s more hope. But that’s really it- just hope. Democrats have had majorities dozens of times since Roe V Wade was ruled and never wrote abortion into law.
I don’t think it’s suddenly going to change in the next 4 years which looks to be a potentially very dangerous period of time geopolitically speaking. Biden isn’t going to have very much political capital to spend and the Overton Window is gradually shifting right.
Instead of looking only at this election, look at the next. And the one after. Do people think MAGA will go away? The world is in economic and geopolitical restructuring- instability breeds radicalism. The problem will likely only get worse. Especially with another weak Democratic administration.
Which brings me to the answer to your question. I have dual citizenship in South America. The only reasons I would leave the US are if there is a WW3 scenario or some sort of clear descent into a form of fascism. We’re toying with it right now, but it can get a lot worse.
It probably won’t be much better in my home country if I’m being honest, but there will be less chances for war. Any global war will inevitably involve the US in some capacity.
Have you heard about Project 2025? This is what’s so scary about Trump that isn’t true about Biden. In 2017, Trump was the dog who caught the car, but in 2025 he will come in with a plan and allies helping him move as fast as possible to unravel environmental protections, public school funding, consumer protections, scientific research, and increase the amount of right-wing Christianity in the US government as much as they can. And that just what there is skimming the Wikipedia article. In 2017 Trump started his term with some clumsy executive orders, many of which were immediately enjoined/overturned - in 2025 he will come in with prewritten executive orders with a much stronger legal standing that will be much more effective.
Trump put polarizing figures in his cabinet in “acting” roles because he couldn’t get them through the Senate (like Betsy DeVos who screwed over thousands of student loan borrowers and worked to take money out of public schools). He’ll do that again.
And while I agree there’s some things I’d like Biden to do that he isn’t, he and Trump aren’t remotely equivalent. Biden has gotten a huge amount of legislation passed for climate action, he’s forgiven student loans for 10s of thousands of people (many of whom were promised service-based loan forgiveness and then screwed over by DeVos).
You’re right that MAGA won’t go away. But Trump is a unique figure on the right, and one that is particularly dangerous right now. There isn’t one thing we can do to change the minds of his supporters, but every election we keep him out of power is 4 more years until all the Project 2025 shit can come true.
I’ve heard of Project 2025. It seems like the Democrats in office have not. Heck, just this morning, I read Jennifer Rubin’s op-ed about how Sen. Durbin (chair of the Judiciary Committee) is so peeved he’s almost on the verge of sending a Very Sternly Worded Letter about one of our Supreme Court justices being an insurrectionist.
Panic
We’ll see how bad it gets, might ride it out, might leave for somewhere better.
If I had a plan to respond to someone horrible getting elected president, I would’ve used it long before now.
