I keep seeing this online and in person. I don’t know how to respond
i think videos of the iof using palestinians as human shields are fairly illustrative on this point
Hell, there are videos of the IOF using Israelis as human shields.
Yup. Before October 2023, the “human shields” in Palestine/israel discourse
was mostlyincluded coverage and outrage at the IOF for using Palestinians as human shields, for example, when raiding homes in the West Bank - outrage fueled bymountains ofdirect evidence that the IOF were in fact routinely using Palestinians as human shields.edit: I was wrong about “mostly”, whoops, still death to israel. they still slaughter civilians and use “human shields” as one of many tools in their “genocidal cry-bullying” toolbox.
The definitely not true. You can search back and find claims of palestine using human sheilds way back in 2002, but it really picked up in 2008ish. Amnesty International had to put out a statement in 2009 saying there was no evidence for the claim.
It just likely never came up in your personal news sources. And yes of course Israel has used Palestinians & children as human sheilds.
oh word, thanks for clarifying. i just remember when i was debating some redditor and restricted a google search to pre-2023, and there was a few reports from HRW or the UN that stuck out
I definitely remember the “human shields” discourse back in 2012 and 2014 being used to excuse Israel killing Palestinian civilians.
Human shields is not just a way to retroactively justifiy civilian deaths within a military target. It is also used as a way for the premeditated murder of civilians while using military target as an excuse.
So when Israel kills hundreds within a civilian refugee camp to kill one military target/hostile, that is using the military target as an excuse for destroying and terrorizing the population. e.g: (Wolf Blitzer/IDF spokesman bombing a refugee camp) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyqFFsRifFM&t=2s
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
online
pig poop balls
in person
keep a stack of business cards with pig poop balls printed on them and hand them out to people with bad takes
israel literally flattened gaza, is the ground hamas?
By not acknowledging the fascists who still support israel. They’ve already made their mind up
Ask them why the israeli Ministry of Defense, their military command and a legit target in a conflict, sits right in the middle of Tel Aviv, surrounded by civilian buildings.
“If Hamas used you as a shield, would you be okay with Israel shooting you?”
“If a bank robber uses hostages as a shield, would you be okay with police shooting the hostages?”
The other thing that Zionists pair with the human shields argument is saying that Hamas embeds itself into schools and hospitals so that Israel must attack schools and hospitals. Hamas is the governing military of Gaza, of course Hamas is going to be in schools and in hospitals. In the US, the US military is in US schools and US hospitals. In Israel, the IOF military is in Israel schools and Israel hospitals. Israel is not permitted to attack schools and hospitals even if Hamas is present.
“If a bank robber uses hostages as a shield, would you be okay with police shooting the hostages?”
IOF practice is more like dropping a bomb on the bank
And then bomb the first responders that show up to pull people out of the rubble.
The “most moral army in the world” would presumably hold their fire then, rather than just killing the civilians.
Israeli “human shields” rhetoric is just propaganda to justify bombing civilian population centers in their apartheid districts, which is always 100% of those districts because they’re just large concentration camps.
With a flurry of punches or a brick
The correct answer to your question:
“Hamas does not use human shields, they use deez?”
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Here’s the idea behind “human shield”.
-Person A wants to do violence against Person B.
-Person B hides behind Person C, assuming that Person A respects the life and well being of Person C MORE than wanting to do violence to Person B.
So, cop goes after a robber and says, “Freeze or I’ll shoot!” The robber grabs a customer, expecting that the cop won’t shoot because the bullet will likely hit the customer instead of the robber. Cop refuses to pull the trigger because its their responsibility to not harm the customer MORE than shooting the robber. This is an example of human shielding.
If the robber expected the cop to not worry about harming the customer and fire, the robber isn’t using the customer as a human shield.
So the question becomes… what about Israel’s actions toward Palestinian civilians matches the idea of a “human shield?” The answer is nothing.
Hamas builds a command post underneath a hospital full of Palestinian civilians? Israel will not hesitate to attack the hospital, damaging its ability to function as a hospital as well as killing the patients.
A Hamas political/military leader is positively ID’d but is at home with their family or out buying groceries? Israel will drop a bomb or fire a missile at that location, without hesitation, maiming or killing everybody.
A Palestinian resistance operation launches a salvo of rockets from some blasted out building in the north of a city? Israel will drop bombs on Palestinian refugees in the south of the city.
There are videos photos of Israeli troops bringing Palestinian prisoners to an unsecured location and ordering them to walk around checking the doors and rooms for traps or resistance fighters.
Peaceful demonstrations by Palestinians have been met with sniper fire that has killed people in wheel chairs and walking on crutches, killed medics and others trying to render aid to those shot, and maimed other demonstrators by shooting them in the legs.
Zionism requires an ethno state of a Jewish majority. By its very nature, ALL Palestinians are unworthy of existence as equals with Israelis. So it doesn’t make sense to use the human shielding argument against Hamas as the state of Israel doesn’t actually put a priority on ANY Palestinian life. Israeli occupation forces will kill any Palestinian whether they are a member of a militant resistance faction or just some old man trying to get a loaf of bread to eat for the day.
it’s victim blaming, literally blaming the civilians for being in the way, but where the fuck else are they supposed to go?
They get pushed to rafah an then israel starts to bomb rafah. I guess they expect them to “turn on and give up hamas” but what if… what if there isn’t any fucking hamas? what if israel is just bombing and demanding leaders who never existed, aren’t there, or are already dead? and how is it the civilians’ responsibility anyway when israel could simply not bomb them
What would be the point of using human shields when the IOF has shown absolutely no hesitation in killing civilians anyways.
