I’m currently learning how to code (currently Python, then maybe JavaScript), but I’m not always around my desktop, and learning on my phone is not always an option (also, it can be quite cumbersome at times). Therefore, I’m looking into purchasing a laptop just for learning how to code and stuff.
I don’t want to get a Chromebook because I want to be able to wipe the drive and install Linux on it (probably Linux Mint). Maybe it’s changed since 2013, but the last time I had a Chromebook, it was a pain in the ass to install even bog-standard Ubuntu on it.
Problem is, I’m also heavily limited by space & budget: no more than 11 in (280 mm) total laptop width and 330 USD base price.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Please forgive me if this is not the right space for this kind of question. Lemme know if it is and I’ll delete it. :)
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If you really want to you can combine:
- a raspberry pi (with case)
- a power bank
- a small USB keyboard
- a small portable display
- a mouse
It doesn’t take more space than a laptop :))
That’s a good idea! Do I need to know any coding or soldering to set up a Raspberry Pi?
No. Just have to burn the OS image to an SD card and plug everything up.
Ooh, nice. That seems like a great initial step for just being in the learning phase. I’m gonna look into this! Thank you! :)
No, just download Raspbian (Debian for RaPi) or any other popular distribution on your main computer and copy it to your RaPi’s SD card. Oh and if your mouse “lags” - you can increase your mouse refresh rate in settings.
Also while the setup obviously works and does its job (and is really fun to use) it’s probably not better than a laptop. It’s more of a thing you use because you can…
…anyway, if you already have some of the parts it’s the cheapest you can get, and it is just as practical as a laptop. I already had a pi4 with case, a keyboard and a mouse, so only was missing a portable monitor and a powerbank (but buying a powerbank never is a bad idea anyway).
Thanks for the tip! Sounds promising!
At that point you might as well go with a steamdeck. Works with or without the mouse/keyboard/screen and can play games. The desktop environment is full kde and ready to go.
Some reason I have Chromebook Lenovo Thinka Pad 11e saved in my notes
Iirc it’s something that isn’t too difficult to unlock and get Linux on it, otherwise I wouldn’t have considered it.
Don’t Chromebooks require doing “something something chroot” or whatever to get Linux installed on it? Or has that not been the case since 2013? Because my last Chromebook was in 2013 and it was a pain in my (sadly not yet open-source) ass to install and set-up.
Admittedly I’ve never done it, but my 5mins of LLM’ing said
chrootis only needed when keeping chromeOS on the machine side by side.keeping chromeOS on the machine side by side.
So, when dual-booting?
Exactly
Thanks. :)
Asus Vivobook Go 11, width is 279 mm.
Looking it up, that is…not a bad idea.
Thanks, friend.
Stay away from Asus if you value warranty.
This one is wider than you said your max is, but I own one and it’s awesome. Chuwi Gemibook XPro
Used t490 / t480. Can you elaborate on the “heavy limited by space”?
The x390/x280 are the same era as these but smaller, so might be a better fit here. The X390 has soldered RAM though, so I’d look for the 16GB version if you can find it (there’s not much of a price difference used)
Unfortunately, those are both too big, at 12.22"–12.28" for the X390, and 12.11" for the X280. I’m limited to 11". :(
Sure, what do you wanna know elaborations wise? I’m sorry; I thought I had elaborated…
Steam Deck. I’m half serious if you got a wireless mini keyboard with touch pad. You can play games on it too BTW ;)
Lol, that’s kind of intriguing honestly. Are Python interpreters even available on whatever fork of Linux that SteamDecks use? Haha.
steam deck is NOT a proper replacement for a work desktop, ymmv
For a desktop yes. You can dock it and forget that it’s not a regular Linux desktop. Especially if it means Python and JS, you don’t need much power for that.
For a laptop not so much, because you’ll need to bring screen+keyboard+mouse and everything to plug them so the portability aspect seriously suffers.
Yes. Steam Deck is based on Arch linux. I even have PyCharm installed.
This amuses me.
It doesn’t really surprise me, but it does amuse me.
Thank you for brightening up my week a bit. I’ve had a wisdom tooth removed and have been in a lot of pain, so my past two weeks have sucked.
Refurbished Dell 7390? ~$250 has an 13" display with relatively small bezels. I think if you want it even smaller, you’d need some mini laptop or a tablet or steam deck. But that has other downsides. And having a device with an full-size keyboard is nice if you want to type / code.
Agreed on the benefits of having a full-size keyboard. Alas, 13" is too big. My primary workspace is limited to 11" for the total laptop width (i.e. screen and bezel).
Usually Lenovo Thinkpads are a safe choice.
I work in IT and my 4 year old retired Dell 5300 is working just fine. Great form factor as well.
Looking it up, it seems like a delightful little laptop, but it’s too big. It’s got a 13.3 inch screen, and I’m limited to a total laptop width of 11 inches.
The screen is measured diagonally.
The screen width won’t be 13 inches.
Not the screen width. The laptop width. The total space I have to work with is exactly 11 inches wide.
(I didn’t have a ruler, so I used a 3-hole punch, which has the zero point in the center, and spreads out 5½ inches in each direction, resulting in a total width of 11 inches.)
The laptop won’t be 13.3 inches either.
Wait, now I get what you’re saying.
What do you mean the laptop won’t have a 13.3" screen? The page I linked to said it does. And if the screen is 13.3", then the total laptop width will be more than that.
I’ve got a Lenovo P11, goes pretty well on a charge, and VSCode is available on android, haven’t used it much as I almost always code at home now.
Oh shit! I didn’t even know VSCode was available for Android. Nice! Thank you!
Edit: Er, nevermind. VSCode is indeed available on Android, but for US$12. Ew. Thanks anyway though. :)
That’s fucked up, it was $8AUD when I got it like a year ago. Fuckin corpos and their price hikes.
I was happy to swallow it to code on the go, but I only used it for a few weeks. Sometimes I lay in bed to code though so I can watch TV as well (never mind all the errors I make as a result).
Honestly, why should it be paid at all when it’s free on desktop? That doesn’t make sense to me.
I thought exactly the same thing, as previously though, I was willing to swallow the $8 (at the time) in order to use my tablet for coding (may as well be a laptop running android tbh).
And old ThinkPad.
I am super partial to old ThinkPads. Currently I am running an x1 yoga gen 4 that I got from a company that was recycling it for free. I also have a P52, and a t460s. All have been great. I have used several others including an x230, an x201, a w520, w530 and w540(least favorite due to the trackpad). Generally I like to stop at about the Intel 8th gen series as parts are usually still fairly serviceable and affordable.
I do like me some good Thinkpads too. :)
But, unfortunately, all of those are too big. :(
I have a very limited primary workspace, of only room for 11 inches total laptop width.
My bad! You may have totally said that and I missed that part.
You might want to look at the dell XPS 13 series. Their small bezels in the more recent models put them more in line with a MacBook 11 inch. Might be best bang for the buck as far as performance.
Hey no worries!
Thanks for the suggestion!
Rocking a T480 hackintosh over here.
You can usually find old(ish) refurbished thinkpada on amazon for around that price. I recently bought a refurbished t480 for $315 CAD
Unfortunately, the T480 is too big, at 14.25 inches. I have a very limited primary workspace, of only 11 inches. :(
I am also supremely space-constrained, but I also had no need to take my development device away from my desk. So I got a workstation and a KVM to switch between workstations, thereby needing only one keyboard, mouse, and set of monitors for multiple computers.
I went further than that, because I also needed to keep the desktop largely clear and the floor space used down to an absolute minimum. So I got a 60s “tanker desk”, and put a smaller office table on top of it. the computers all sit on top of the office table, up near the ceiling (and away from a lot of the dust!) and the monitors and KVM dangle down from beneath it. This leaves only the two pedestal legs of that office table and my keyboard and mouse as the only things “on” the top surface of my desk.
And ignoring the chair, I can have four workstations and six monitors within a 30×60 inch footprint (the tanker desk).
Okay, that’s just fucking cool. :)
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I thought Macs are notoriously difficult to install Linux on, like from a firmware level.
Is this incorrect?
The Intel ones are quite a bit easier, but still not as easy as a PC. You need to disable some FW security settings to allow for a non Apple kernel to boot.
Ah. In that case, I think I’m gonna steer clear of Macs. I’m not at all familiar with post-2013 Macs in the first place, and I definitely don’t know enough to fiddle around with its firmware security settings (or any firmware security settings, for that matter).
I recommend looking for refurbished laptops. As they’d give you better bang for buck. If you do indeed to with refurbished laptop, check everything thoroughly before buying including how long the battery lasts and if the display has any deffects.
Thank you for the advice! I’ll definitely keep that in mind!
