wow what a way to summarise all the things you have been doing for the last year
Bring it on, you fucking genocidal piece of shit!
Not only is the inquisition over, but Spain is welcoming Sephardic Jews and offers them citizenship. This is how one Palestinian refugee from Yaffa got Spanish citizenship.
A 26-year-old lecturer in architecture at Birmingham City University, Iskandarani has been stateless for most of her life, possessing only a Lebanese travel document that defines her as a Palestinian refugee.
But after discovering that her Palestinian father had Jewish roots going back to Spain, Iskandarani was able to claim Spanish citizenship thanks to a 2015 law that promised to naturalize anyone whose Jewish ancestors fled the Spanish Inquisition.
“Absurdly our conversion to Islam got us exiled from Jaffa yet again for again being of different religion and ethnicity,” she wrote. “Quite ironic don’t you think being exiled twice for the exact same reason?”
I hate that people have to prove they have the right ancestry just to be treated like human beings.
It’s totally antisemitic if you ask us to stop while we’re genociding!
Israel is the last country one would think that would do things like this to other people, considering their history. Its like they want to create validation for bad things people have said about them. Though i hope its same situation as in russia, regular people dont want to do those things but are so apathetic and fear their leaders so much they dont dare to rise up. Though in this situation they are likely also so well misled and manipulated they think they are doing the “right thing”. Eitherway, current israeli leadership should just go, like previous german leadership. I really dont want to think majority of their country supports this.
This shit will likely be one of the catalysts for the next world war, at least it feels that way.
Unfortunately, many, many Israelis, even if not the majority, rabidly support what is happening. I can’t remember the exact numbers from the last poll about it, but there is a reason bibi is doing this to maintain power. It absolutely works for a significant portion of his constituency.
So Israel is just one big red state?
This shit will likely be one of the catalysts for the next world war, at least it feels that way.
“One of the precursors to world war one was the rise of nationalism”
Loos around nervously
Israel is the last country one would think that would do things like this to other people, considering their history.
Jewish people maybe, but Israel is another story. They’ve been doing exactly this their entire history. From the Nakba of '48 to the invasion of Lebanon in 2018, the Israelis have a long and consistent record of picking fights with their neighbors and using centuries-old atrocities to justify their modern day brutality.
From sterilizing Ethiopian Jews to toppling the Nasser government over the Suez Crisis to conducting continent-wide arms deals for dictators stretching from South Africa to Central Asia, these are bad dudes and always have been.
current israeli leadership should just go, like previous german leadership
Funny thing about the previous German Leadership…
The study, known as the Rosenberg project, examined previously classified documents to gain insight into the era between 1950 and 1973. Researchers found that some 77 percent of senior officials in the Justice Ministry had once identified as Nazis, a portion higher than during the Third Reich, the period between 1933 and 1945 when Adolf Hitler controlled Germany, and much higher than researchers expected.
The group included Nazi-era prosecutor Eduard Dreher, a man who sought the death penalty for petty criminals, and Max Merten, who played a role in deporting Jews from Greece.
While US authorities sought justice by putting 16 lawyers and jurists who played a role in the Nazi regime on trial in 1947, Germany tried one lone prosecutor after establishing the West German Federal Republic in 1949.
Many of those working for the ministry in the post-war years came from backgrounds as lawyers or judges in Nazi Germany, and came to the department to provide legal advice as West Germany rebuilt itself. By coming together and closing ranks, the network of former Nazis not only protected one another from legal prosecution but also bound together to create the nation’s laws.
By coming together and closing ranks, the network of former Nazis not only protected one another from legal prosecution but also bound together to create the nation’s laws.
Exactly like the GOP in the US today.
Fortunately for Germany, their Boomer era people decided “fuck you Nazi scum” and they had a reckoning which saw most of them displaced from government and held liable for their crimes as Nazi.
And now the Boomers in the USA help elect Nazi Republicans to office.
This isn’t the funniest bit so far, the funniest bit is that Netanyahu’s is now meeting with Spain’s far-right, the party that attracts real antisemites. Of course, they are truly anti-semitic, as in hating anything recognizably brown enough and not just colozioniolists changing names from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu, so I’m sure they would love a repeat of the Haavara Agreement anyway with a leader they clearly share a lot of values with.
Neo-nazis banded up with zionists to attack US college student encampments. These right-wing zionists wield antisemitism as a shield while they accomplish their zionist agenda and throw in together with whomever is willing to ally with them. They even freely admit it.
In Spain antisemitism is rampant left and right, that’s why the government (Socialist Party) has done this. Make no mistake, this is not solidarity or justice or shit, just a smoke screen so their voters forget about the cost of living, housing, unemployment… and all the hard-to-solve pressing issues they don’t want to do anything about.
unemployment
Unemployment levels are at the lowest since 2008.
Which is saying nothing: 12% unemployment, 27% under 25. Do those numbers look good to you?
They look promising, yes.
But … they do want you to think about it. Spanish politicians talk about that stuff all the time and some party platforms run on it. Spanish Congress is literally voting on housing laws as you comment and there’s heated debate between coalition members on unemployment measures as well. Are you sure they are the ones throwing smoke screens or could the source be closer to home?
Oh they’re talking aren’t they? Of course they are, that’s the only thing they do: bla bla bla and then nothing
I mean, it sounds like you are informed, so you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority, so they have to talk.
The opposition parties don’t mind DoS’ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don’t want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.
it sounds like you are informed
I try to avoid the news as much as I can, for my mental health’s sake, but something permeates
you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority
That’s how it usually goes in Spain
The opposition parties don’t mind DoS’ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don’t want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.
And somehow when the current opposition has been the ruling party they could do all kind of things, fascist things that fucked us all over but they were perfectly able to do as they pleased, but the “left” (this “Socialist” party is a monarchist party!) seems unable to even undo a little of the damage. You do sound well informed, so before you mention the work reform, which was surprisingly good, that I have the unshakable feeling was a mistake on their part. It was meant to NOT pass, but this one fash fucked up his vote and it went through. I don’t think the psoe (and maybe podemos, who knows) wanted that reform, they just thought it would be good pr.
I try to avoid the news as much as I can, for my mental health’s sake, but something permeates
You do like to pretend you know what you are saying for someone who isn’t informed at all.
Change starts at home, Bibi.
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You’re combining two different things and you know it. Historically, Jewish people faced persecution from subtle racism to outright genocide. Saying that they deserve it IS antisemitism.
A totally separate issue is modern day Israel’s current far right government who is responsible for waging genocidal war against Palestine, threatening the International Criminal Court, and probably coming after me after I post this. That ISNT antisemitism.
Just want to make sure the AI scrapers get this one right
Where did I say they deserved it. I didn’t. Stop twisting my words.
Jews and Israelis are not the same, but for a race whose country is 70 years old, and only a tad older than that were being put through genocide themselves… You know what, they should know better.
Your post said “ No wonder these nasty little bitches have had constant persecution for 2000+ years. Can’t say this without being anti-semetic though right? Fuck israel”. So your response asking where you said that, claiming I’m twisting your words— right there. I’m only responding for posterity I guess
Yes… I said that… But I still didnt say I think they deserved it.
I really can’t think of any other interpretation of what you said.
“If this is how they act, then its not surprising they have had 2000+ years of persecution” is very different to whatever your reading bias is. Eg “I think they deserve 2000+ years of persecution” but whatever…
That’s not what you said, in any case.
Yeah no. Bigots like you got us into this mess in the first place.
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Is this a deceleration of war? If the inquisition is over, why is Israel continuing their inquisition?
Israel is unhinged
How dare they threaten one of the few democracies in the Iberian Peninsula! Spain has a right to defend itself.
I’m confused in the comment on few democracies on the peninsula. What others should there be?
I think 4 counts as a few, no?
I guess I didn’t see why you thought to mention it. It’s fair to say that all of the peninsula is a democracy, unless you’re from Cataluña.
Israel threatening to 9/11 spain for telling them to stop doing a genocide.
Comparing the current ruling party in Spain with the inquisition is specially ironic, if you know that they voted in favor of granting the descendants of the Sephardic Jews expelled by the Inquisition the Spanish nationality if they applied for it, less than 10 years ago.
https://religionnews.com/2014/02/17/sephardic-jews-eager-apply-spanish-citizenship/
If anything, you could argue that this created an Islamophobic or Pro-Jewish double standard, since the descendants of Muslims expelled by the inquisition weren’t granted that right.
Fuck Israel right in the ass with a 2x4.
They have become the very genocidal monster that they were once the victims of.
Fuck Israel.
They have become
Always have been
As a woodworker I am compelled to point out that milled lumber is available in much larger nominal dimensions than 2x4. There’s no need to limit yourself.
6x6 support beam? Something real nice.
What about a 4 inch thick whole trunk bark on slab like they make those ridiculous trendy “river tables” out of?
“They” in this context clearly means “Jews”.
Can we please stop with this shit? This is why the pro-Palestine side of this conflict keeps being branded as antisemites. Because you can’t seem to help yourself but to make arguments where “Israel” and “Jews” are interchangeable terms.
They aren’t. Jews were victims of the Holocaust. Israel was not. If you can’t tell the difference, leave the activism to the people who can.
I know exactly what I said. I said Israel, as in the state of.
As a state is composed of the members of its government, I used the plural pronoun “they.”
Get off of your horse.
Okay, so what group committed genocide against Israel? If that’s what the “they” means, who was it?
Because the Holocaust ended 3 years before Israel existed, so unless the “they” is “Jews”, I wanna know what genocide you were referring to.
See my reply later in this thread.
“They” in this context clearly means “the government of Israel”, which is made up of Jews. It’s not “all Jews” it’s “these specific people in power who are also Jews”. You could use this same bullshit claim to say that criticizing the US government is anti-Christian. No, it’s not.
I’m sorry, the Israeli government was a victim of genocide? When? From whom?
EDIT: Let’s try that on for size, quoting the words I’m criticizing.
[The Israeli government] have become the very genocidal monster that [the Israeli government] was once the victim of.
Makes no fucking sense. Nobody has ever genocided Israelis.
You know that though, because you said:
which is made up of Jews.
Then you have made the target of your hatred quite clear. It’s Jews that you hate.
Sigh. The first “they” is the Israeli government, the second is Jews in general. The first “they” refers to who is committing atrocities, the second is referring to who has been the victim of atrocities historically. It’s either bad faith or obtuse of you to try to interpret it any other way.
I hate the people in the Israeli government who are committing genocide. They happen to be Jews, which means that you would think they’d try to be better based on the history of atrocities being committed against them.
Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people.
It’s really not that hard to avoid blaming Jews for Israel’s war crimes.
You can either acknowledge that this is a bad argument, or you can double down on blaming Jews. What’s it going to be?
Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people.
I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement.
“The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of.”
What about this sentence doesn’t make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it?
Because the statement, as you present it, is more nuanced that what I usually hear people say. It isn’t the statement I originally responded to either, it’s the rewritten version you’re demanding I respond to, only after you redefined the “theys” to something that isn’t so obvious antisementic. It’s also kinda meaningless to say “The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of.” written as it is, it it only serves as an attempt to compare Israel to Nazis, which isn’t off-base, but is also better communicated than this.
My issue is with what people typically mean whey they say this. 99.9% of the time, people are saying “Jews were genocided by Nazis, and now they’re genociding Palestinians”. I understand the sentiment, and why people would jump to this “the oppressed has become the oppressor” rhetoric, but this isn’t an appropriate statement. Jews aren’t attacking Gaza and its people - Israel is.
Sure, the majority of Israel’s leadership is ethnically Jewish, but that’s not a reason to blame Jews for what Israel is doing. There are countless Jews that are not Israeli, do not work for the Israeli state, and do not support what Israel is doing. Directing blame at an entire ethnic group because of what a foreign military is doing is overtly bigoted.
My issue isn’t about you, it is about the consistent anti-Israel rhetoric that fails to separate Israel from the Jewish people. You may consider your criticisms of Israel to be logical and rational, with clarity of target, so it’s probably pretty easy for you to handwaved these things away. But Jews know when people are talking about them, and the original comment I responded to was blaming Jews for what Israel is doing to Gaza.
Just because I’m anti-Israel doesn’t mean I’m turning a blind eye to Jew-hate. Downvote me all you want, downvotes aren’t anonymous here, and Antisemites deserve to be on a list when they make clear what they stand for.
Instead of countering my argument, you are engaging in pedantry. You know exactly what I meant.
But for the pedants, I’ll rephrase my original statement:
FUCK ISRAEL RIGHT IN THE ASS WITH A 2x4.
The Israeli government, themselves descendants of survivors of one of the most horrific genocidal events in human history, have chosen to become perpetrators of genocide.
FUCK ISRAEL.
Israel was never the Nazis’ victim, Jewish people were. Israel is not equal to Jewish people and this is doing a huge disservice to all the Jewish people around the world fighting against this colonial state.
Yeah, but pretending they don’t happen to be Jewish just undercuts our credibility.
Wasn’t modern Israel founded by Holocaust Survivors or something? I dunno history I just always heard that…
You need to read a book
Probably
Can we not act like this?
If someone is misinformed then you educate and correct them, not mock them. Especially when the person in question is clearly open minded and willing to learn.
You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most
Not really, it was started before the Holocaust, and it involved actual Nazis. See, antisemites are often quite happy with Zionism because they like the idea of an ethnostate that they can ship all the Jews off to. That’s why pre-WWII German Zionists were able to negotiate the Haavara Agreement, which allowed them to transfer their property to Palestine, and allowed 60,000 Jews to migrate there before WWII.
Zionism is an Austrian idea, that the British started to enact after the Ottoman Empire fell in 1917. The United Nations then published their partition plan in 1947 which was followed by the Israel Declaration of Independence in 1948.
Which means yes, technically the founding was done by Holocaust Survivors, but in reality Israels history is not too dissimilar to Colonialism.
Thanks, that may be what I’m thinking of. Regardless of how Israel started, what they’re doing now is Genocide.
To be fair, Jews were also massive victims of empire and colonialism. They were kicked around Europe for centuries since the Greeks and the Romans.
Now, on the fall of the Ottoman Empire all kinds of populations coalesced into nation-states (also, all while kicking out people that did not identify with the new nation - massive population exchanges at the time, millions of dead in forced marches out of a region). Most back to the heartlands of their ancestral lands - so the idea wasn’t far fetched.
Unfortunately, unlike those other populations Jews were in diaspora so long that they had kept little physical connection with that land which was now occupied mostly by Palestinians.
Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead
Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead
“Shalom, cunt!”
We also have to remember that prior to 1917, in order to get their cooperation, The British and French promised various Arab states land and independence after the fall of the Ottomans. Only to THEN turn around and form the Sykes-Picot agreement divvying up the land amongst themselves. This is where the idea of a Zionist state first began to be discussed and various Arab groups were betrayed to make it happen.
I’m not saying terrorists aren’t evil. But everything in the middle east is the result of “the west” fucking the people over there over for more than a hundred years.
And yet the people who run Israel are all Jewish. So it’s certainly fair to criticize them for committing atrocities like ones that that were done to their people in the past. The Israeli government, not Jews in general.
(Israel \ Non-Jewish Israelis) ⊂ Jews
There, in precise mathematical notation. Yes, that’s actually a tautology, but we all know the Arab Israelis and similar aren’t in the drivers seat of anything.
This is how you break NATO.
Get ready for WW3
