Campaign finance fraud
Really? Was your truth social account broken so you transitioned to Lemmy to try to minimize this historic event? The obvious difference was the tangible personal responsibility here. Not to divorce responsibility for all the other stuff, but I’m confident even you realize how complex it was to convict your precious Trump for things he personally did with a trail of direct evidence. Putting one person in jail for things like war crimes is a whole different level of grey and frankly there aren’t readily available systems built to deal consequences for this things like there are for personal fraud.
There not being systems built to deal with the big crimes is exactly what the post is complaining about, I think.
The only reason why it’s not for Jan 6th, selling top secret documents to other countries or election interference in Georgia is because Trump is surrounded by corrupt fucks that are running interference for him.
Here on Lemmy, aren’t we supposed to blame liberals for creating the environment for this to happen? Then explain how not voting is the most logical direct action to take to fix this ?
I can never tell if these memes are astroturfing by monied interests/russian bots pretending to be progressives, if populism leads to the same brainwashed takes as the right, or if progressives are actually this dumb.
I consider myself a socialist and a progressive, and I understand that this was a case of defrauding electors and why the case was a felony. It’s not “paying hush money to a porn star”.
I can’t imagine someone on the right saying this in earnest, as they’d never care about Native Americans or any minority. Only thing I can think is that it’s the right trying to sow discord on the left by feigning moral outrage, or the populist progressives on the left being unable to understand how the world works at all. I honestly can’t tell who is making these brain dead memes.
If I remember correctly bad empanada is a flavor of tankie mixed with peronist.
Instead of judging everything by whether it is a Russian bot consider if there is any merit to the argument instead.
Also this guy lives in Argentina.
I’m not saying the argument doesn’t have merit. I’m saying that this case wasn’t about “paying hush money to a porn star”. I really don’t care who he is if he can’t be nuanced. The world is not black and white. Bad Empanada is guilty of a straw man here and the result is that people who generally agree with the argument can’t tell if this is for or against Trump. Read a certain way it minimizes what Trump did. “Oh those other presidents did war crimes but THIS? This itty bitty little fraud is what gets a former president indicted?”
It is BadEmpanada, who I mostly know from his videos debunking PragerU. He is a non-American who routinely criticizes America though, which gives people a cause to demonize him thoroughly.
Though I think most recently I saw him clowning on Vaush for outing himself as a pedophile that is also into bestiality, which seems to have riled up the kind of people still holding onto Vaush as an example of ideal internet politics.
So overall it seems like he has a decent trajectory calling out grifters.
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But you’re living in the most peaceful time because of us. Just forget all the destabilization and wars we caused all over the world to build that hegemony.
If it wasn’t for us, those pesky kids were gonna grow up and nuke the whole planet. Those wars were completely necessary and we won every one of them.
You’re welcome
-Every USApe ever
USApe
Explains why they needed all those bananas.
What are all the bananas comments about? I’ve seen it a few times now.
I’m assuming it’s because of united fruit overthrowing south American countries at the behest of the US government. Several good videos about it on YouTube.
It happened the other way around: United Fruit Company lobbied the USA to overthrow the progressive Guatemalan government.
You’re right, careless mistake on my part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d'état#United_Fruit_Company_lobbying
tl;dr: the United Fruit Company (today known as Chiquita) reaped massive profits from plantations in Latin America. When Guatemala started introducing laws that harmed their profits, the UFC and its pocket congressmen started putting pressure on the country and spreading propaganda, accusing them of being communists. When Eisenhower was elected, he used the CIA to overthrow the Guatemalan government in 1954 (as they did in Iran a year before). The UFC’s involvement is known, but to what extent beyond slandering the progressive government, is not clear.
wdym suspected that stuff has to have been declassified by now
True, I’ve clarified my comment.
Definitely something that someone should name a clothing brand after!
And the EU is living in an unprecedented era because of it.
Mostly because the USSR collapsed, not because of the USA
And everyone knows the US had absolutely nothing to do with the USSR collapsing. Complete freak occurrence in a vacuum. No one could have seen it coming.
Are you generalizing an entire population because it’s where they were born… Seems fair :/
Its lemmy.ml, so it’s propaganda. Don’t take it personally.
Dimitri, Yuri, or whoever wrote it would probably move to the US in a heart beat if they could.
It’s for lying about paying hush money to a porn star.
Also incorrect. It’s about fraud.
Fraud is just lying in an official capacity.
Technically, it’s for a combination of election fraud and falsifying business records.
But “paying hush money to a porn star” is definitely a sexier headline.
Aside from the sexier headline saying 2024 Trump business fraud trial doesn’t narrow it down enough to know which case someone is talking about.
I’ve already mixed them up in my comments to great embarrassment. I just can’t keep up with all of this felon’s crimes.
Shows what the priorities are in the us justice system.
The laws weren’t really designed to hold leaders to account. It’s just that Trump is more of a lying, workshy, petulant criminal than he is an effective leader.
Also, those other things were mostly the fallout of military actions performed as part of the job, rather than assorted felonies while a private citizen.
So, for an European who hasn’t been following this: criminal conviction does not bar him from running for president?
No it’s mostly a giant theater that so far has had zero actual impact on the election. But it makes some cultists feel like the justice system is still intact and definitely proscecutes billionaires.
Trump will get off with some BS excuse like they always do at the end of it.
This verdict has done the opposite of your claim: make the cultists feel like the justice system is political and not working because they don’t like the verdict.
The U.S. Constitution sets out three eligibility requirements for the presidency:
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The person must be a natural-born citizen of the United States
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At least 35 years old
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A resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
There are no restrictions regarding criminal records.
As a convicted felon and resident of Florida, though…he shouldn’t be allowed to vote. How could you rub for an office you can’t vote for?
Not allowing convicts to vote is itself ridiculous tbh
I don’t disagree, but thems the ropes.
Wouldn’t it be fucking great if he tries to go and vote live on OAN or some shit, and some smug poll worker gets to tell him he can’t vote because he’s a convicted felon.
Oh man. That’d be better than winning the lottery.
Florida follows the voter laws of the state the felony was tried in. New York allows felons to vote.
which is actually good, because otherwise they could convict you for the pettiest shit or simply invent a law to convict you over, thus barring you from presidency when you haven’t done anything that people dislike.
the problem now is that there’s a large group of people who don’t consider “being convicted of fraud” as a reason to stop voting for trump, and in fact will mos likely NEVER find any reason to stop voting for him or whoever the republicans put forward.
“But why isn’t there a restriction on criminal convictions for being president?”
A: before now, nobody thought we needed to explicitly write them.
We live in insane times.
It’s also a safeguard against the reigning power using bogus prosecutions against their opposition, like we see in many authoritarian states.
No, the real answer is if criminal convictions barred you from office, it could be used as a political tool by corrupt politicians to prevent their opponents from running.
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Actually, no.
It’s for committing fraud while trying to hide these payments. It’s tangentially related, sure, but it’s not the reason why he was convicted.
Funnily enough though, I’d say this sounds like prostitution. Pay a girl after sex? If I do that I can go to jail, they should go for Donald Trump for that one.
You can pay her for sex, you just need to sell the tapes.
I was thinking about the prostitution thing earlier. My guess is they didn’t want to charge Stormy in turn.
It’s for electorial fraud
I geniunely dislike BadEmpanada - definitely a star of the creepier parts of leftube - but when he’s right he’s right.
What did he do wrong? From what I’ve seen of him his takes are usually pretty based but so ascended from neoliberalim that without much knowledge of geopolitical context it can be difficult to follow
Don’t get me wrong… BE had some really good takes back when I was watching them - but their “holier than thou” attitude turned me off. I stopped watching them after they made the “All US military personel are murderers” claim - which is just such a Hollywood-leftist take I couldn’t believe it.
Yeah, some of them are just following orders!
Look - this whole pretend-hostility towards military veterans you are demonstrating? It was never a “left” thing - it was invented by right-wing propagandists after the Vietnam War, okay?
So please stop with the Hollywood-leftism - you’re not helping anyone.
Sorry my disdain for the empire’s kind murderers and rapists doesn’t jive with your views.
Your edgelord pretend-leftism is as unimpressive here as it is everywhere else.
I keep forgetting that to be a real leftist you need to glorify murderers who are the arms of imperialism. Maybe my “the gangs of pillagers and rapists bulldozing the global south aren’t nice” worldview is too utopic.
It is NOT for pushing money to a porn star. It is for marking the hush money as legal fees. That’s ALL it is. They didn’t even get him on the moral high ground, but nitpicked his books.
This country is so beyond fucked… Cannot even get basic details correct…
Al Capone was only able to be arrested for tax fraud, because it was very hard to prove he and not one of his lackeys. I think this akin to that
Exactly. They really really wanted to get him, and this was the only thing they could get to stick.
Cannot even get basic details correct
The rich being above the law is the correct “basic details” of liberal nation states.
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When a system is working as designed it is working correctly, is it not?
If this system isn’t working for you (which means I guess you are not rich), then you need a different system, don’t you?
No, no it is not. What are the goals of an economy or government? To collapse in repeated cycles? No? Then it is, in fact, NOT presently working as designed.
What is the goal of life? To die? No? Then, humans don’t work as designed
That’s exactly my point. To pretend the government or economy is supposed to be some unstable mess is missing the entire purpose of it in the first place, let alone understanding any balance…
Defending the rich and powerful as above the law is equivalent to defending death as the purpose of life.
They’re not defending the rich and powerful as above the law, they’re analyzing the way the law is written and applied, and the way it’s been written and applied since the country’s founding.
The whiskey rebellion was triggered when George Washington taxed independent whiskey producers, while his and his buddy’s large distilleries were largely exempt.
The law is written to protect the oppressing class and bind the oppressed class.
Only a moron would say what you just said
Only a moron fails to understand the current economy is NOT functioning “correctly”.
Is an economy an ever-present thing that works well or poorly depending on many factors? Or something created?
If you say created, you are beyond fucking stupid.
…and only the sith deal in absolutes.
There are no infinities in the real world. Only boundaries where something becomes a guarantee. Horizons that you cannot grasp. Unfortunately for you, those horizons seem to stop at … movie references.
Congratulations.
You’re cracking me up. Thanks for the laugh!
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It was both. Sometimes literally at the same time.
If that were true then reparations would have been paid off to them
You have an incredibly optimistic view of the government.
The Trail of Tears wasnt called that because of tears of happiness…
Man, fuck you. Go open a damn book. Calling you out on your bullshit, this isn’t cool.
I grew up Native. I know the stories. I’ve seen a people trying to hold onto a culture all but totally denied to them. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about and should be ashamed of yourself for not taking the tiny ass effort to do a quick search before spouting nonsense. I’m all for freedom of speech but like damn man, reattach your spinal cord to your brain before you speak next time, cause clearly something came undone.
But the elevation to a felony is the important part. It’s a felony because it’s part of a conspiracy to illegally defraud the voters and affect the election.
It’s a crime in furtherance of a more serious crime, which elevates its severity.
and it should be elevated clear to jail time at minimum, but it won’t, because this country not only has no idea what justice is, but also has no idea how to literally defend itself from “threats within”.
“B-but me gun…”
Election fraud
Its not even for paying her. Its for paying her to nok speak. People are ok with him paying for whatever sexual fantasy or lust he may have had. But not ok with him paging her to not tell
that’s what the “hush” in “hush money” means. (Still wrong, but helps when you read all the words)
It’s not for either of those things. It’s for cooking the books to hide the transaction. Falsifying financial records is the crime. And it would be a misdemeanor except that it was done to further a conspiracy to defraud the public which makes it a felony. It’s not a crime to drive, but it is if it’s a getaway car.
so it wouldn’t have been a crime if he had just paid her to not tell, in order to protect his presidential candidacy? The actual crime was that he tried to hide that he had paid her not to tell?
He committed a criminal act to hide the source of the funds. He could have just paid her out of pocket and not told anyone. No crime then.
He’s also got 2 other criminal trials being held up by SCOTUS and Judge Cannon, which includes charges of Insurrection, so there is that to think about.
That’s as good as never going to happen and we all know.
Half of red ties in congress dislike Trump and it probably won’t take much of his appointee’s bullshit to start impeaching the judges from Cannon to SCOTUS.
If he loses the election I’m sure they’ll go forward.
If he wins they’ll make it all go away.
