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Putting people’s desire to have their beliefs uncontested on a pedestal was a mistake.
You do not need to take away their faith for your own personal gain.
When faith is for your own gain? Science doesn’t get $ if people don’t believe in Jesus. Faiths certainly get more $ if people don’t believe in science.
Oh I don’t know. Healthy people, kept healthy by science, live longer, earn more, tithe more; some even get to reverse tithe (where they keep 10% and give the rest away).
What have
The Romansscientists ever done for us?The proofs are already there. Science just tries to find them
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins the movie by telling you how it ends. Well I say there are some things we don’t want to know! Important things!
To be fair, it’s more like that annoying friend who babbles on and on about what they think is going to happen. They’re never quite sure, and are always changing their mind as the movie keeps going.
It’s not that science and scientists set out to prove god doesn’t exists. It’s that the word of god as written down by men is contradicted directly and often by proven fact, and that belief in God is associated with a strong ignorance of reality.
People didn’t live to 800. Goat blood doesn’t protect you from plagues. The earth is not just 5 millennia old. Humans have not existed since the dawn of time.
I remember someone asking what are good documentaries on evolution that doesn’t say “this is why religion is BS”. I cannot recall a time having watched a documentary on evolution that blatantly says that. Religion on the other hand…
Anyone with two thinking brain cells would already put two and two together and see the contradiction. When I first learned about evolution in school, I thought to myself that it contradicts what the Bible said, and my teacher and the book never even said anything explicitly. However, I somehow rationalised that god must have created beings first and evolution took course after. It is in my later formative years, through education and more reading, which made up my mind that religion overall is nonsense and the denial of reality.
We should fix that people first learn religion before they learn how the world works.
That’s it. Checkmate, atheists, pack it up and go home, you’ve just been one-upped forever and ever by… this one McDonald’s-eatin’ megachurch-attendin’ rando from Arkansas.
If you believe in God and science empirically proved God didn’t exist, would you still believe?
If you don’t believe in God, and science empirically proved God exists, would you start to worship it?
I don’t believe God exists. But if he was proven to exist, I would believe. I would not, however, worship him. Dude’s a prick.
I would hear his explanation first. The story is full of holes.
I mean, if Yahweh exists it’s not that the story is full of holes so much as that he was part of the Canaanite pantheon and the stories were never originally meant to describe the actions of a singular god.
There is likely a whole mythological cycle that we simply do not have because it was destroyed by zealots for disproving their weird monotheistic fan fiction.
It’s like trying to make sense of the Norse sagas if cultists merged all the other gods into Odin, including Loki.
it depends which god we ended up proving the existence of, if it’s prometheus i’d join the movement to free him from his eternal punishment for gifting humanity the fire of innovation.
“Flying spaghetti monsters, did in fact, create all life in the universe.”
blessed be his noodly appendage
ramen
God’s existence, by definition, cannot be proven or disproven. That’s the nature of faith and free will (in the theological sense). And that’s why there are scientists who believe in God. This American idea that religion and science are opposites makes no sense.
Effects on the natural world can be scienced.
Of course it can be proven to exist, as long as evidence of its existence exists.
And what would be the evidence for God’s existence? I don’t think there’ll ever be scientific evidence for God because all events can be explained by science as having occurred naturally, but what if the natural part is made by God?
If “God” is indistinguishable from the natural world, unable to be differentiated from it, to formulate or express thoughts or to influence existence in any way, it is a redundant idea, a zero to the left, and something so alienated from what the vast majority of people consider God is, that the meaning of the concept has already been twisted. It doesn’t deserve epistemological effort, because our understanding of the world wouldn’t change one bit: rather than it being a wilful intelligence, it would be a carcass over which we happen to live in, which the Universe already is. Even if you were to prove the existence of such a devoid concept, it would be equal to asserting “The Universe exists”.
In science, anything you can measure is real.
If this god affects nothing measurable on the universe, it might as well not exist
God’s existence, by definition, cannot be proven or disproven. […] This American idea that religion and science are opposites makes no sense.
What? It sounds like you’re contradicting yourself there. Also not sure how that’s an “American” idea lol.
sounds like you’re contradicting yourself there
Where’s the contradiction?
not sure how that’s an “American” idea
That’s where I heard this perspective from. That you either believe in science or in God, not both. I guess it’s because of all the weird Christian denominations in the US that say crazy things and seem to have never actually read the bible, but use it to justify their anti-science ideas.
The bible should be considered a book of gossip, like an old hollywood rag and accorded such due respect
More like a fanfiction basically tumblr of that time.
Yeah that’s pretty good description. But nothing motivates asshole more than the need to prove another asshole wrong
The quickest way to get the right answer to a complicated question is to post the wrong answer, confidently, and wait.
or (pretend to) be female: https://lemmy.world/comment/10363254
Not in my experience, but ok :)
Science doesn’t prove anything. It disproves things until only a single theory remains.
It doesn’t really disprove things either, but can be used to eliminate specific claims as not supported by evidence.
… yet.
…single
theoryhypothesis remains.A hypothesis is an observation stated in a falsifiable fashion, which allows it to be tested. Once a hypothesis has been tested thousands of times and always generates the same outcome, then it can become a theory.
Nonetheless, you know whats up, science proving shit only happens when the stars align. But disproving shit is super valuable as it allows researchers to reassess the hypothesis and experimental design in hopes of proving shit sooner rather than later.
Victim complex / projection
I’ve never seen science try to take away people’s rights, let alone thoughts.
I’ve seen religion do both, though.
Eugenics was an awkwardly popular movement not that long ago.
Not true. Scientists say I can’t lick needles I find in the park or stab myself with rusty nails or eat monkey brains scientists keep taking my rights away 😭😭😭
scientists dont tell you not to, the government does. scientists say it’s probably not a good idea, but not that you can’t.
Good scientists will just let you know the potential consequences and let you decide what to do.
Take global warming for example…
Scientists are more likely to encourage you to do dumb things so they can see the outcomes.
Randall is a genius
Straw man. Science doesn’t try to prove if God is real or fake.
I’ve met a lot of people who don’t seem to understand this important concept from epistemology, which is the philosophy of knowledge.
To demonstrate the concept of “non-falsifiability” I will now produce a short fictitious dialog between a made up Scientist, S, and a Religionist, R.
Topic: how old is the earth? Is it 6,000 years old or more than 4 billion years old?
S: The earth must be more than 4 billion years old, because I found these rocks. These rocks have isotopes in them and they definitely look like they’ve been around for more than 4 billion years. If the rocks are really old, then the earth must be really old too.
R: No. The is only 6,000 years old, because the holy Bible has a list of human descendants from Adam, the first man, to Jesus, who we know was born in 4 BC. If you count it all up, you can find the exact year that the earth was created, as described in Genesis 1, and it’s about 6,000 years.
S: But these rocks… They’re really old…
R: God must have created those rocks with the isotopes already set up in the correct ratios to look like they are 4 billion years old, when He separated the firmament from the heavens 6,000 years ago.
S: But how could God create rocks with different isotopes? When minerals solidify from molten lava, lead isotopes naturally form in this ratio. (I don’t actually know how initial lead composition was established for this)
R: God is omnipotent! Any miracle is within his grasp.
S: But why would God want to make the earth appear to be much older than it really is? What purpose does it serve?
R: I do not pretend to understand the ways of God.
One of my favorite quotes from Blood Meridian:
God dont lie. No, said the judge. He does not. And these are his words. He held up a chunk of rock. He speaks in stones and trees, the bones of things.
As an aside, it’s worth noting not every religion conflicts with science.
True it just keeps invalidating the garbage piled up around someones faith. They could accept it was false and move on with no hindrance to their belief in god but because they can’t burn someone as a witch because we know why milk goes bad they reject it all.
Also, its literally impossible to prove, that something doesntvexist. You can be very sure about the not existence of something, but you can’t be 100% sure.
Are you 100% sure that such proof doesn’t exist?
Faith based and ignorance pilled
Biblecore
Religion: a bunch of deep shits trying to not know something by making up false truths.
You know what, they’re right. All this time I’ve spent praising our study of the universe, development of medicine and vaccines, even harnessing energy and sending information around the planet and I just feel duped.
Science is a liar sometimes.
