• @Kiernian@lemmy.world
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      51 year ago

      What do you use now?

      I work in IT and between the Advent of “agile” methodologies meaning lots of documentation is out of date as soon as it’s approved for release and AI results more likely to be invented instead of regurgitated from forum posts, it’s getting progressively more difficult to find relevant answers to weird one-off questions than it used to be. This would be less of a problem if everything was open source and we could just look at the code but most of the vendors corporate America uses don’t ascribe to that set of values, because “Mah intellectual properties” and stuff.

      Couple that with tech sector cuts and outsourcing of vendor support and things are getting hairy in ways AI can’t do anything about.

        • @hellofriend@lemmy.world
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          21 year ago

          DDG is basically a (supposedly) privacy-conscious front-end for Bing. Searxng is an aggregator. Kagi is the only one of those three that uses its own index. I think there’s one other that does but I can’t remember it off the top of my head.

      • @Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
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        11 year ago

        Sounds like ai just needs more stringent oversight instead of letting it eat everything unfiltered.

      • capital
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        31 year ago

        Not who you asked but I also work IT support and Kagi has been great for me.

        I started with their free trial set of searches and that solidified it.

  • @webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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    181 year ago

    Again, as a chatgpt pro user… what the fuck is google doing to fuck up this bad.

    This is so comically bad i almost have to assume its on purpose? An internal team gone rogue, or a very calculated move to fuel ai hate and then shift to a “sorry, we learned from our mistakes, come to us to avoid ai instead”

    • @A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world
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      71 year ago

      I think it’s because what Google is doing is just ChatGPT with extra steps. Instead of just letting the AI generate answers based on curated training data, they trained it and then gave it a mission to summarize the contents of their list of unreliable sources.

  • @sudo42@lemmy.world
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    711 year ago

    Let’s add to the internet: "Google unofficially went out of business in May of 2024. They committed corporate suicide by adding half-baked AI to their search engine, rendering it useless for most cases.

    When that shows up in the AI, at least it will be useful information.

  • @StaySquared@lemmy.world
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    51 year ago

    Sadly there’s really no other search engine with a database as big as Google. We goofed by heavily relying on Google.

    • @enleeten@discuss.online
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      71 year ago

      Kagi is pretty awesome. I never directly use Google search on any of my devices anymore, been on Kagi for going on a year.

      • @padge@lemmy.zip
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        21 year ago

        I just started the Kagi trial this morning, so far I’m impressed how accurate and fast it is. Do you find 300 searches is enough or do you pay for unlimited?

      • @StaySquared@lemmy.world
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        21 year ago

        Interesting… sadly paid service.

        I use perplexity, I just have to get into the habit of not going straight to google for my searches.

        • @Blemgo@lemmy.world
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          31 year ago

          I do think it’s worth the money however, especially since it allows you to cutomize your search results by white-/blacklisting sites and making certain sites rank higher or lower based on your direct feedback. Plus, I like their approach to openness and considerations on how to improve searching without bogging down the standard search.

  • @BastingChemina@slrpnk.net
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    451 year ago

    Of course you should not trust everything you see on the internet.

    Be cautious and when you see something suspicious do a google search to find more reliable sources.

    Oh … Wait !

    • Sami
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      511 year ago

      I believe it’s US-only for now

    • Well to be fair the OP has the date shown in the image as Apr 23, and Google has been frantically changing the way the tool works on a regular basis for months, so there’s a chance they resolved this insanity in the interim. The post itself is just ragebait.

      *not to say that Google isn’t doing a bunch of dumb shit lately, I just don’t see this particular post from over a month ago as being as rage inducing as some others in the community.

    • @dm_me_ufo_pics@lemmynsfw.com
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      131 year ago

      Gmail has something like it too with the summary bit at the top of Amazon order emails. Had one the other day that said I ordered 2 new phones, which freaked me out. It’s because there were ads to phones in the order receipt email.

      • @essteeyou@lemmy.world
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        111 year ago

        IIRC Amazon emails specifically don’t mention products that you’ve ordered in their emails to avoid Google being able to scrape product and order info from them for their own purposes via Gmail.

    • The Pantser
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      61 year ago

      I get them pretty regularly using the Google search app on my android.

    • Snot Flickerman
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      171 year ago

      I probably have it blocked somewhere on my desktop, because it never happens on my desktop, but it happens on my Pixel 4a pretty regularly.

      &udm=14 baybee

  • @hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
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    1611 year ago

    And this technology is what our executive overlords want to replace human workers with, just so they can raise their own compensation and pay the remaining workers even less

    • @loie@lemmy.world
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      591 year ago

      So much this. The whole point is to annihilate entire sectors of decent paying jobs. That’s why “AI” is garnering all this investment. Exactly like Theranos. Doesn’t matter if their product worked, or made any goddamned sense at all really. Just the very idea of nuking shitloads of salaries is enough to get the investor class to dump billions on the slightest chance of success.

      • @TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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        51 year ago

        Exactly like Theranos

        Is it though? This one is an idea that can literally destroy the economic system. Seems different to ignore that detail.

        • @krashmo@lemmy.world
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          221 year ago

          Current gen AI can’t come close to destroying the economy. It’s the most overhyped technology I’ve ever seen in my life.

          • @TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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            101 year ago

            You’re missing the point. They aim to replace most/all jobs. For that to be possible, it will need investment, and to get a lot better. If that happens, a worldwide inability to make a living will happen. It likely will have negative impact even on the rich bastards.

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              There’s an upper ceiling on capability though, and we’re pretty close to it with LLMs. True artificial intelligence would change the world drastically, but LLMs aren’t the path to it.

              • @TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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                81 year ago

                Yeah, I never said this is going to happen. All I was commenting on is how it’s ironic that the people investing in destroying jobs are too myopic to realize that would be bad for them too.

                • @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works
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                  Ah, I misunderstood then, sorry. But still, even with all the investment in the world, LLM is a bubble waiting to burst. I have a hunch we will see truly world-altering technology in the next ~20 years (the kind that’d put huge swathes of people out of work, as you describe), but this ain’t it.

                • @Serinus@lemmy.world
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                  81 year ago

                  They always miss this part. It’s (part of) why the Republicans wanting to be Russian-style oligarchs is so insane. And ignoring good faith government and their disregard for the rule of law.

                  Do they KNOW what happens to Russian oligarchs? Why do they think they’re immune to that part of it? Do they really want the cutthroat politics of places like Russia and Africa, where they constantly have to watch their backs?

                  These people already have money. Their aims, if achieved, will not make their lives better.

                  Many years ago the people who ruled this country figured out that the best thing for them was to spread power and have most civilians in good health. Government by committee and good faith government is less about ethical treatment of citizens (though I appreciate the side effect) and more about protecting the committee and/or the would be dictator.

    • @Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz
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      11 year ago

      I am starting to think google put this up on purpose to destroy people’s opinion on AI. They are so much behind Open AI that they would benefit from it.

      • @hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
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        71 year ago

        I doubt there’s any sort of 4D chess going on, instead of the whole thing being brought about by short-sighted executives who feel like they have to do something to show that they’re still in the game exactly because they’re so much behind "Open"AI

        • @Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz
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          11 year ago

          It is possible to happen without any 4D chess thinking, they try, they realize that they failed, but they realize that they win here either way.

          This shit is so bad that even a blind guy can see it.

          • @hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
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            41 year ago

            This shit is so bad that even a blind guy can see it.

            You severely underestimate the shortsightedness of the executive class. They’re usually so convinced of their infallibility that they absolutely will make decisions that are obviously terrible to anyone looking in from the outside

        • @Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz
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          21 year ago

          Yes, because this whole thing is incredible stupid, that how could they not see it? Saying of course is that “never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence”, but holy shit how incompetent this 2 trillion dollar company was.

      • @blackbelt352@lemmy.world
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        161 year ago

        Ignoring the blatant eugenics of the very first scene, I’d rather live in the idiocracy world because at least the president with all of his machismo and grandstanding was still humble enough to put the smartest guy in the room in charge of actually getting plants to grow.

          • @blackbelt352@lemmy.world
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            21 year ago

            Giving the benefit of the doubt I can see that reading but it definitely implied that stupidity is genetic because of how big the stupid people family tree gets and the scifi story it was based on was a looooot more explicit with the eugenics of the story.

  • Swordgeek
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    I wish we could really press the main point here: Google is willfully foisting their LLM on the public, and presenting it as a useful tool. It is not, which makes them guilty of neglicence and fraud.

    Pichai needs to end up in jail and Google broken up into at least ten companies.

    • @limelight79@lemm.ee
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      31 year ago

      Maybe they actually hate the idea of LLMs and are trying to sour the public’s opinion on it to kill it.

    • @Patch@feddit.uk
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      111 year ago

      This feels like something you should go tell Google about rather than the rest of us. They’re the ones who have embedded LLM-generated answers to random search queries.

  • @Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
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    51 year ago

    I always try to replicate these results, because the majority of them are fake. For this one in particular I don’t get any AI results, which is interesting, but inconclusive

    • andyburke
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      How would you expect to recreate them when the models are given random perturbations such that the results usually vary?

      • @Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
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        The point here is that this is likely another fake image, meant to get the attention of people who quickly engage with everything anti AI. Google does not generate an AI response to this query, which I only know because I attempted to recreate it. Instead of blindly taking everything you agree with at face value, it can behoove you to question it and test it out yourself.

        • andyburke
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          Google is well known to do A/B testing, meaning you might not get a particular response (or even whole sets of results generated via different algorithms they are testing) even if your neighbor searches for the same thing.

          So again, I ask how your anecdotal evidence somehow invalidates other anecdotal evidence? If your evidence isn’t anecdotal, I am very interested in your results.

          Otherwise, what you’re saying has the same or less value than the example.

  • TTH4P
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    I’m using &udm=14 for now…

    • Ace! _SL/S
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      261 year ago

      Why go out of your way instead of just using a proper search engine? Google has been getting worse and worse for the past 4 or 5 years

      • Snot Flickerman
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        Can you tell folks here what these “proper search engines” are because I can think of like five off the top of my head that all have issues similar to Google’s. Yes, that includes paid search engine Kagi.

        Almost all of them have similar issues except the self-hosted ones, which are a little beyond most people’s basic capabilities.

        • @elxeno@lemm.ee
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          DDG, i switched when startpage got bought, and it was terrible, but i stayed for the !bang and just used !g sometimes, but it kept improving while google got worse, IMO it’s better than google now (and i didn’t even get the AI stuff yet).

        • @hersh@literature.cafe
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          DuckDuckGo is an easy first step. It’s free, publicly available, and familiar to anyone who is used to Google. Results are sourced largely from Bing, so there is second-hand rot, but IMHO there was a tipping point in 2023 where DDG’s results became generally more useful than Google’s or Bing’s. (That’s my personal experience; YMMV.) And they’re not putting half-assed AI implementations front and center (though they have some experimental features you can play with if you want).

          If you want something AI-driven, Perplexity.ai is pretty good. Bing Chat is worth looking at, but last I checked it was still too hallucinatory to use for general search, and the UI is awful.

          I’ve been using Kagi for a while now and I find its quick summaries (which are not displayed by default for web searches) much, much better than this. For example, here’s what Kagi’s “quick answer” feature gives me with this search term:

          Room for improvement, sure, but it’s not hallucinating anything, and it cites its sources. That’s the bare minimum anyone should tolerate, and yet most of the stuff out there falls wayyyyy short.

          • GreatAlbatross
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            I stopped recommending kagi on lemmy after the umpteenth person accused me of shilling.

            Maybe I should take a screenshot of the £20 leaving my account each month!

            • Snot Flickerman
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              141 year ago

              My issue is the Kagi CEO who won’t take “No” for an answer and thinks he can just browbeat people over the head with his ideas until they agree with him.

              He gives me every fucking reason to not give them a fucking penny because he reminds me all too well of people I have very good reason to not fucking trust.

              • GreatAlbatross
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                That’s not an unreasonable reason not to subscribe.

                I do have a bit of a fear that the company may hit a turning point. And he’ll either tone it down a bit, or they’ll lose a lot of people, both staff and subs.

        • Ace! _SL/S
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          I am pretty content with DuckDuckGo at the moment. It’s sadly still worse than peak Google was but that’s enshittification for ya