• @chetradley@lemmy.world
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    Best we can do is sell you a $200 piece of plastic that promises to but doesn’t actually do these things, then automate your job away.

  • Rikudou_Sage
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    That would be currently possible with a combination of AI and standard computing.

    1. Have a camera on all the places you store food, let AI analyze it to tell you what’s missing.
    2. Do some standard web scraping for prices.
    3. Use some clever algorithm to calculate the route (might not be always optimal, but there are some good algorithms for the travelling salesman problem).
    4. Let a LLM write some bullshit around the data to appear human.
    5. ???
    6. Profit
    • @KevonLooney@lemm.ee
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      Do some standard web scraping for prices.

      Do you understand how hard that is? Most websites do not just let you scrape them entirely because they think you’re a competitor. Web scraping involves staying one step ahead of each site. You might as well just pick a site and buy most things there.

      Plus you can just have everything delivered. It’s easier and you can get access to sales.

      • Rikudou_Sage
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        Yes, I do indeed, for example the AutoTL;DR bot you might have seen around Lemmy (that does web scraping) is mine.

        Sure, you can do an entirely different thing than I was talking about, but then you’re replying to something entirely else, aren’t you? This was a reaction to a post in the OP which doesn’t talk about getting everything delivered.

      • @brlemworld@lemmy.world
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        There are 3rd party APIs that handle scraping… Eg Red circle API. Problem is they don’t really have produce and everything up to date.

    • @McWizard@feddit.de
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      You don’t need a clever algorithm for #3. You’ll likely only have 4-5 potential targets. You can brute force that in reasonable time.

    • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮
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      Suddenly carbon footprint x10

      Frankly we can’t do shit anymore without fusion. We just have to grit our teeth and hope it comes sooner rather than later or maybe… maybe develop in more intricate ways than just more energy per monkey

  • @the_doktor@lemmy.zip
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    That’s not AI, that’s just a program easily able to do that without all the “AI” garbage technology. Why do we all of a sudden think that every solution computing does is “AI” now? For fuck’s sake.

    • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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      A program that can deduce what groceries you need to buy is a type of AI. AI is a much broader category than the LLM stuff that everyone is currently paying attention to. Most things in the field of AI don’t have particularly awe inspiring appearances, so companies don’t feel compelled to advertise that it’s AI because people expect AI to be “like people” which precludes the vast majority of applications.

      • @the_doktor@lemmy.zip
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        if (amount_of_bread < bread_threshold) list.bread++;

        That’s not AI. That’s simple programming. Holy fuck, people have no idea what computing even is any more now that this sci-fi buzzword AI is out there.

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          I’ll let you in on a little secret in the field of AI as someone who’s job is AI (computational linguistics); AI is, and has always been, mostly just a fancy word for algorithms, a bunch of if-else/switch/match statements. It doesn’t have to be complex…

          That being said, you’re underestimating how much engineering would go into a program that calculates the groceries you need to buy and where/when. Especially so if it’s supposed to be automated, e.g. you’re not just putting in how much bread you have currently every time you use bread.

          • @the_doktor@lemmy.zip
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            Or… stay with me here… keep up with how much bread you have yourself and write down when you’re getting low. Awwwwwww, is that too much work for lazy-ass modern people who depend on their fucking nightmare rectangle for everything?

        • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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          I think where we drifted apart was when I was paying attention to the usage of the word “anticipate”.
          If you run out of milk every week and buy more, an intelligent system would know to add it to the list even though you currently have milk. You also would probably want the system to figure out what bread_threshold was dynamically, rather than having to hard code it.

          It kinda sounds like you’re the one with the sci-fi conception of what AI is if you think that simple machine learning and pattern recognition algorithms aren’t examples of it.

    • @exanime@lemmy.world
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      Because the average person out there could not make “just a program”… the promise of AI is that anyone can be a programmer now…

      In reality, I would bet a full morning of prompting ChatGPT wouldn’t produce what the lady is asking for accurately

      • @the_doktor@lemmy.zip
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        So AI can magically see everything in your refrigerator, pantry, etc, right? Oh wait. You need a program created so you can enter what you have and don’t have.

        Goddamn, AI is now literally magic to you people. Pathetic.

          • @the_doktor@lemmy.zip
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            Sigh. I give up. Enjoy being taken over by AI, you masochistic freaks. For fuck’s sake. This is the easiest goddamn thing ever to understand, that AI is a bloated, power-sucking, privacy-stealing, cheating, stealing pile of garbage. Everyone should be on the side of “fuck AI”. Everyone.

            Of course, I guess I should have expected a world full of fucking idiot flat earthers, vegans, Trump supporters, goddamn theists who still believe in a goddamn invisible sky friend in 2024, moon landing denialists, and so many other brainless cretins to actually support one of the worst technologies to ever come along. How fucking dystopian is it for a goddamn company to have all this data of your food stocks when you can build an application that you manually fill out and update to rely on itself and nothing else to tell you when things are going down? Enjoy pointing a camera at your damn food 24/7. People are literally this goddamn lazy.

            How about this: go to the store every week and write down what you need before you leave? How fucking hard is that? Is that too fucking 20th century for you? Too much brain power needed?

            Fuck all of you AI loving freaks who are destroying this society.

            • @exanime@lemmy.world
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              ???

              Dude we are misunderstanding each other here…

              I am not defending AI at all… in fact, from your comment it seems we both hate it equally.

              All I was saying is that they have already “shown” this magical scanning of fridge as a function already available… it turned out to be complete garbage and fake (as most of the AI over hype they have pumped) but they did. Please note I actually posted as “in what turned out to be one of the many AI scams

              Here is the vid where they “showed” how this is supposed to work and how it actually flops hilariously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLvFc_24vSM

              Going back to the original thread, my intention was to say that AI was promised as a way for anyone to be a programmer now. That is not me saying it, that is literally what was pumped out. To an extend, a very short extend, this is true. You can get a little script going or maybe even some heavy Excel spreadsheet manipulation with AI tools and not knowing any code. But that is the end of it.

              What I have been able to confirm AI doing is about 30% of what is being promised out there… literally the “pro” vs “nailed it” discrepancy. I also agree with you in that this bit of AI that does work is not worth the harm we are doing to jobs, the environment, etc

          • @Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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            Yea, I kind of got the impression the end game is for there to be a system that can literally see what’s in your fridge and figure out what you are low on. Processing the images is definitely something AI would be useful for, as well as figuring out what “low” means for individuals. If I have less than 5-6 different hot sauces, I’m running low.

            • @exanime@lemmy.world
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              Not the end game… they literally “demoed” this…

              Of course, as at least half the stuff out there on “AI” it turned out to be faker than an Elon promise… but it’s reasonable to see people believe this is possible considering the vast amount of fake advertising all AI companies have been pumping

              • @Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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                I’m referring to what kind of system the person who Tweeted is imagining. Something that doesn’t exist yet as far as I’m aware. I’m not sure of what product you’re referring to. All the existing ones are pretty useless IMO.

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                  Agreed on the useless… the system I was referring to was the Rabbit R1 which proved to be a complete scam… but one of their demo/commercials shows a guy saying “hmm that was delicious, check the fridge and make sure to order all missing ingredients to prepare this dinner again tomorrow”

                  In practice, some youtuber demoed it and after long ackward pause, the device says “sorry, the uber eats API is not working” or something hilariously related but wrong

                  Here is the video… hilarious

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLvFc_24vSM

    • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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      Yeah, llms are a really great advancement in language processing, and the ability to let them hook into other systems after sussing out what the user means is legitimately pretty cool.
      The issue is that people keep mistaking articulate mimicry of confidence and knowledge as actual knowledge and capability.

      It’s doubly frustrating at the moment because people keep thinking that llms are what AI is, and not just a type of AI. It’s like how now people hear “crypto” and assume you’re talking about the currency scheme, which is needlessly frustrating if you work in the security sector.

      Making a system that looked at your purchase history (no real other way to get that data reliably otherwise), identified the staple goods you bought often and then tried to predict the cadence that you buy them at would be a totally feasible AI problem. Wouldn’t be even remotely appropriate for an llm until the system found the price by (probably) crudely scraping grocery store websites and then wanted to tell you where to go, because they’re good at things like "turn this data into a friendly shopping list message "

      • @Specal@lemmy.world
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        People are just really bad at prompt engineering and so they aren’t good at getting LLM’s like gemeni and GPT to do what they want

        You can train it, within conversations to get good at specific tasks. They’re very useful, you just gotta know how to talk to them

        • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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          The issue is that it’s a language model. You can go a long way by manipulating language to get useful results but it’s still fundamentally limited by languages inability to perform reason, only to mimic it.

          Syntax can only take you so far, and it won’t always take you to the right place. Eventually you need something that can reason about the underlying meaning.

          • @Specal@lemmy.world
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            It’s still a computer at the end of the day, just use logic. It responds well to it, you remove it’s ability to be creative and tell it what you want to accomplish

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        I would even say llms is an important part of what eventually will become an AI and not a type of AI in itself.

        • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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          There’s a conflation of terms.

          One sense of AI is as artificial intelligence: a huge swath of computer algorithms, techniques and study relating to machines measuring inputs, pulling information from them, and making decisions based on what they deduce. Sometimes it’s little more than a handful of equations that capture how to group things together by similarity. What matters is that it’s demonstrating demonstrating intelligence or some manner of operating on knowledge.

          The other sense of AI is as a synonym for “a general purpose intelligent system of at least human level”.

          Your phones auto complete is an example of the first sense of AI. The second sense doesn’t exist.

          There’s a tendency for people to want to remove the AI label from anything they’re used to, or that isn’t like that second sense.

      • @Laereht@lemmy.world
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        To be completely fair, the confusion is because of the marketing. You and I both know that Tesla cars can’t really drive themselves for the same reasons you outlined but the typical person sees “autonomous mode” or “self-driving” applied to what they are buying.

        People treat llms like something out of a super hero movie because they’re led to believe it to be the case. The people shoveling in the money based on promises and projections are the root cause.

  • @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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    Both of those sound kinda dystopian. Because you just know the first one will start getting gamed by every company from the grocery companies trying to SEO the AI, to the big fossil fuel companies trying to get you to drive your car more.

    • FaceDeer
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      How is making a picture of me as an astronaut “dystopian”?

      • @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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        The same technology can be used for widespread, low-cost, highly convincing misinformation and propaganda campaigns

          • @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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            You think the world will be better when literally anyone can create convincing misinformation and propaganda? Personally I prefer when that power is limited, even if there are still powerful entities that can do it

            • I think everything gets better when it’s less centralized. What does this “misinformation and propaganda” actually attack? A system so weak that it can’t be defended against lies?

              • @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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                I think everything gets better when it’s less centralized

                Would it be better if everyone had access to nuclear weapons? Or biohazards?

                Some things in this world, the fewer people that have access to them, the better. In a perfect world, we might have nobody have access to those things, but I’ll settle for few rather than many.

        • @Sotuanduso@lemm.ee
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          The moon landing wasn’t faked, but I was there instead of Neil Armstrong. See these pics?

      • Uses tons of energy which could ironically be used to get you to space for real (a lot more energy but at least you get a real experience).

    • @shiroininja@programming.dev
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      I can’t wait for the technology to get basic enough where I can roll my own self hosted instance of it without it taking months. Because I can see a way it’s doable without a centralized service to get around that. But for mass consumer level, I can see that becoming true. But this can be applied to every bit of software currently. All of it can be ran by you, if you have time. Hell I’ve got my own cloud (hosted at my home ) music streaming service.

      • @OpenStars@discuss.online
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        A lot of that is doable now - like, how many grocery stores are even nearby to someone, so writing a custom bit of code to check the website of each, one by one, and looking for previously manually-identified items could be automated.

        One major downside is prioritization of large chain stores at the expense of smaller mom & pop ones that don’t maintain a constant inventory system accessible via the web. Someone could even volunteer their time to build them a database backend, but still they’d have to see the value in actually scanning the items every time or else it would quickly fall behind.

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            That’s precisely what I was thinking, but reflecting more on it, I don’t know how well it would handle the webpages, so maybe some other languages mixed in too (I’m out of date, maybe PHP?). If AI writing code worked it would lower the barrier, but I’m not certain we’re quite there yet to trust anything it would create.

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              Python web scraping is just fine, with the llms you.have the option of either extracting the html and having the LLM read.over that, or having a vision ai OCR the page and make its own decision of what to extract.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      In other words, we need to recognize that the real problem is that companies will always try to game the system for product differentiation/market segmentation purposes, so the real solution is for the government to create and enforce standards.

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    I want self organising files and things so bad. I need an algorithm to look through my digital library and fix the metadata.

  • @waigl@lemmy.world
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    You don’t need “AI” for that. All you would need is some standardized APIs for the various shops, and you could easily solve this with computer technology from 20 years ago.

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      All you would need is some standardized APIs for the various shops

      Stores: “I’m going to stop you right there”

    • @kamiheku@sopuli.xyz
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      The reality is, though, that there are no such APIs. LLMs on the other hand could be a valid tool for the use case.

      • @Ibaudia@lemmy.world
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        At the cost of huge amounts of wasted energy and the whole litany of concerns that are always co-morbid with AI, but technically yes they could work for this lol. Ideally we’d have standardized APIs and mandated pricing transparency, but unfortunately we live in a capitalist society where that will literally never happen ever.

      • Boomer Humor Doomergod
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        It’s not that there’s no API. It’s that there’s probably a different API for every single grocery store. And they make random changes and don’t have public documentation. That’s why we need the AI.

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          You just need someone to do it. Here in Austria someone did it: https://heisse-preise.io

          It’s only in German and most of the prices aren’t from a public API but crawled from different sources.
          It’s open source. Nothing except greed is stopping them from providing something like this.

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            That’s impressive, and honestly looks like it was quite a bit of work. I wonder how the author finances himself? There doesn’t even seem to be a donation button on the site. I found a lengthy article on Wired but it doesn’t appear to mention how he can afford to do all of this for free.

            It’s open source. Nothing except greed is stopping them from providing something like this.

            Nothing is stopping anyone from doing this except the amount of work it takes to write and maintain all those data import scripts. I think greed is the wrong word here. It’s not unreasonable to expect some sort of monetary reward for providing a useful public service that actually helps people save money. Everyone’s gotta eat, right?

          • Boomer Humor Doomergod
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            Imagine if instead of building their own bespoke systems, grocery stores (and other places) created an open source software foundation and worked together to produce the software they needed.

            • Joe Cool
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              I sometimes dream of such things. Less waste, better inventory, customers get to choose inventory based on their wishlist, better prices, then I wake up.

              We actually have a small liquor store nearby that really puts stuff on the shelves if you casually mention something you like. But that’s more the exception than the rule.

        • FaceDeer
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          Indeed. LLMs read with the same sort of comprehension that humans have, so if a supermarket makes their website compatible with humans then it’s also compatible with LLMs. We have the same “API”, as it were.

            • FaceDeer
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              Yup. And those that can’t can have a parser pull just the human-readable text out, like a blind person’s screen-reader would do.

            • Zos_Kia
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              Or you could just prompt it to not guess prices for articles that don’t exist. Those models are pretty good at following instructions.

            • FaceDeer
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              That sounds like an issue with your system prompt. If you’re using an LLM to interpret web pages for price information then you’d want to include instructions about what to do if the information simply isn’t in the web page to begin with. If you don’t tell the AI what to do under those circumstances you can’t expect any specific behaviour because it wouldn’t know what it’s supposed to do.

              I suspect from this comment that you haven’t actually worked with LLMs much, and are just going off the general “lol they hallucinate” perception they have right now? I’ve worked with LLMs a fair bit and they very rarely have trouble interpreting what’s in their provided context (as would be the case here with web page content). Hallucinations come from relying on their own “trained” information, which they recall imperfectly and often gets a bit jumbled. To continue using a human analogy, it’s like asking someone to rely on their own memory rather than reading information from a piece of paper.

        • MacN'Cheezus
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          Actually, you’d be surprised. Instacart has up-to-date price and product data for TONS of grocery stores. And while their API likely isn’t public, they MUST have one in order for their smartphone apps to work.

        • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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          The stores don’t want you to have easy comparable access to their prices.

          They’d quite like it if you just came in, saw that the item you wanted is out of stock, and then just buy some shit you didn’t need.

          • @drathvedro@lemm.ee
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            But they’ll happily give you full access to everything they have if you’re another corpo and you promise to marginally improve their sales anyhow. That’s, sadly, how businesses work.

      • @zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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        there are no such APIs

        Yes there are. You can obtain access to the Kroger API, the Meijer API, the Walmart API, and I’m sure others that I didn’t bother to Google. Failing getting access to the actual APIs, there are tons of web scraper projects that just parse those stores’ websites for product information, and web scrapers are still orders of magnitude more efficient than LLMs.

        • MacN'Cheezus
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          Instacart has prices for all of these stores and more. Obviously they’re not updating them by hand…

          • @Daxtron2@startrek.website
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            Not if you want to ensure the validity of the compiled coupons/discounts. A custom algorithm would be best but data standardization would be the main issue, regardless of how you process it.

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              What does validity mean in this case? A functionary LLM can follow links and make actions. I’m not saying it’s not “work” to develop your personal bot framework, but this is all doable from the home PC, with a self hosted llm

              Edit and of course you’ll need non LLM code to handle parts of the processing, not discounting that

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                The LLM doesn’t do that though, that the software built around it that does that which is what I’m saying. Its definitely possible to do, but the bulk of the work wouldn’t be the task of the LLM.

                Edit: forgot to address validity. By that I mean keeping a standard format and ensuring that the output is actually true given the input. Its not impossible, but its something that requires careful data duration and a really good system prompt.

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            There’s no way to ensure that data will stay in that standardized format though. A custom model could but they are expensive to train.

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      Calling it now, some tech bro trust fund kid is going to make a start up for this and call it something markety like fresh4u or some shit. Then when everyone is using it they’ll sell your data to China.

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      We need somebody to wear a 360 camera and go walk every aisle every day. Use image recognition to get the SKU and price from the labels + estimate stock level. Upload the data to an API that’s accessible to all for like $5/month.

      Kind of like the Streetview cameras but for spying on actual in store prices.

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    The farmer would like to not work to make food for these kinds of people. She would love for these kinds of people to feel the heatwave of summer on their back as they pinch yet another tomato for tomorrow’s salad.

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    It is, sadly, all very poorly focused on the things that won’t benefit society as a whole, but once again, the ruling class. I really wish AI had not been developed with the intent to make white collar jobs obsolete. If only these same brilliant minds had been focused on robotics and processes that humans don’t want to participate in.

    • They are, look at modem factory or mine they’re full of robotics, now injuries are incredibly low and many of the most dangerous jobs are as safe as a well run office

      We’re in a big transition as new technologies are developed, it’s going to take time but there are are some huge things coming soon - llms and cv are enabling fsctory toolarms to leave the factory so expect cooking arms, repair arms, construction arms, micro factories bringing manufacturing back to local markets… sure it sucks we don’t have it now but don’t hate the early stages of it just because it’s not finished yet.

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        What does creating pictures of astronaut kittens or videos of perpetual zooming have to do with any of that, let alone creating poems about robots and ninjas?

        • Because those are great ways of exploring and working with things like image analysis and item identification - they seem like the only thing that exists from a consumer point of view but the reality is they’re off shoots of developing more significant tools and mathematical understanding.

          Think of it like Newton, he invented a desktop toy and a window decoration for hippys- his life in terms of products to market is laughablely insignificant, totally reduculous. However by laying the groundwork of modern science in optics and physics he demonstrated methods that could be used to totally revolutionize pretty much every part of life.

          Natural language computing is hugely significant, it removes so many class and economic barriers while also benefitting us in the developed world almost as much. We’re going to start seeing ai integrated into sites like Amazon soon alowing you to describe the product you want and actually get search results that match, sounds insignificant but it’s a hugely difficult problem and could have a big effect on things. ‘Answering a A vase suitable for this flower’ or ‘a power adaptor to work with this device’ is a couple of orders more complex than creating a poem about robot ninja.

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    Yeah electronics lately instead of helping people squeezes money from us

    Android smartphones are just elaborate ad viewing devices with extra stuff to not throw it out. Apple are subscription milking devices where you effectively pay monthly tribute to be less of a walking data stick. pick ur poison

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      Crazy thing is… I’d pay for a service like the one mentioned in the post. As long as it was still a net savings of course. Even if I broke even it would still be taking the mental load of doing that off my wife and I.

      • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮
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        What I meant is that apps on the App Store are sub based usually. At least the good ones. It’s even rare to have ad revenue, pay to remove ads model. Effectively you have to pay subs to use device to the full on top of hefty apple tax.

        On the play store way more apps are free but shitty quality or riddled with ads from top to bottom. data harvest fest + google selling u as product. Truly dystopic OS.

        Subscription company vs ad company. Pay a lot to not be enslaved by google and I mean a lot like 4000$ (MBP+iPhone+pods+iPad+tv) + 50+$ monthly

  • 100_kg_90_de_belin
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    The first iterations of Google Now felt useful in a similar way. Google was already squeezing data out of me, but it did so by marketing a palatable service.

    • @Rediphile@lemmy.ca
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      Yeah, but then idiots felt it was too invasive, so now Google just collects the same amount of data or more… but without as much benefit to the user.

  • Margot Robbie
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    The cheapest way to get groceries in the States has always been do all your grocery shopping in the same store, preferably a discount store like an Aldi, instead of cutting coupons and going to multiple different stores due to the simple fact that the gasoline used for driving around is most likely going to cancel out any saving from shopping around, an unfortunate side effect of America’s car centric infrastructure.

    You don’t really need an AI to make this list, plus, I think there are apps that already trying to do exactly that.

    However, getting a computer to draw yourself in ridiculous situations (usually with an equally ridiculous number of fingers) is great entertainment.

    • @BluesF@lemmy.world
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      This kind of small scale optimization is not really the best use case for AI anyway. Considering the actual cost of running that kind of code at a large scale… I’m not convinced the savings are worth it even setting aside the petrol issue.

      AI doesn’t need to be in the hands of consumers. It should be a step removed, working behind the scenes to make all those basic foods cheaper before you even go shopping. It should be optimizing supply chains, reducing production costs, and otherwise making us more efficient at a societal level.

      Which, well, in some cases it already is. Sadly many companies just use it to optimise their marketing 🙄

    • @spongebue@lemmy.world
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      going to multiple different stores due to the simple fact that the gasoline used for driving around is most likely going to cancel out any saving from shopping around

      I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion. Here in suburbia, there are different stores every couple miles. Figure even a 5-mile detour to go to another store, and that “simple fact” of gasoline used turns out to cost less than a dollar. I save that much on a pair of salad kits by going to one store over another, and it’s really more of a one-mile detour anyway. Plus, there are simply things that one store does better than the other and I like to take advantage of that too.

      • Liz
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        41 year ago

        Standard IRS reimbursement rate per mile driven is 67¢ per mile this year, which is essentially the per-mile average cost for driving a car. But like, with this sort of thing everyone has their own personal calculus for what they want to optimize for. Do they want to save as much money as possible? Do they want to have fun while shopping? Do they want to shop as quickly as they can? A lot of people will balance these priorities against each other and come up with a solution that isn’t optimal in any one specific area.

      • @Grabthar@lemmy.world
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        Seriously. Sale items are often several dollars cheaper per item. It is well worth the time and gas driving to several stores unless they are very far apart, then just roll that into another trip. Some big “what could it cost, 10 dollars?” vibes off that comment.

        • @tehmics@lemmy.world
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          You also need to factor in opportunity cost or concede that your free time doesn’t have value.

          If you value your free time at the same rate that you work hourly, then suddenly it’s very hard to save money by spending more time. If you value free time as overtime equivalent, it gets even worse.

          • @Grabthar@lemmy.world
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            Dude, we all waste more than enough time on any given day that we don’t need to worry about the value of losing a half hour to save tens of dollars on our grocery bill. I can’t imagine anyone using a site like this one is particularly worried about lost productivity during their free time.

            • Fushuan [he/him]
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              11 year ago

              30 minutes for 10 hours and all the unnecessary waste of gasoline? Hard, hard pass. In fact, I’d work so that this was punished, what a waste of a limited resource that harms the environment.

            • @KevonLooney@lemm.ee
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              It’s not about “lost productivity”. It’s about what you enjoy doing. If you don’t enjoy shopping for food, it’s the same as if it were part of your job.

              There are only two logical situations:

              1. You dislike shopping - you should go to one store maximum because your time is valuable. Get everything else delivered online. Do something you like in your free time.

              2. You like shopping - you should work for a shopping delivery service in your spare time. You can make hundreds of extra dollars and get your own groceries at the same time

              • @Grabthar@lemmy.world
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                Getting value for time is productivity. Up to you if value is in money or enjoyment. Your “logic” seems extreme. I’d have to have some irrational hatred for shopping before I’d spend even more on groceries to get someone else to do it. Similarly, I’d have to have some pretty strong feelings to love it so much I’d take a minimum wage job to do it in my spare time. I think the average person is going to fall firmly in the “if shopping for an extra 30 minutes saves me 20 dollars, I’m doing it” camp.

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    Yeah, but I want AI to make a picture of you as an astronaut but with two extra domes on the suit so I can see ur sweet tits at the same time.