I was reading a book on social life of the upper-middle class and new rich of the American 1920s and realized so many things we now do proudly were considered socially taboo back then. This was especially the case for clothing, makeup, women in certain public spaces, etc. What do you think will be different in the 2120s? Or maybe even the next 50 years?
Being topless regardless of gender in public during hot days.
Honestly this can be taboo regardless of your gender
I’ve seen shirtless dudes doing sports outside (e.g. basketball or jogging - though these activities may be uncomfortable for ladies with big tatas, but that’s another matter.)
Or shirtless dudes in public parks enjoying a barbecue day.
I do concede that these are very specific circumstances, though.
While I do agree that this is a double standard, I don’t see any signs of it going away
It has been a thing in many African and South American indigenous communities for centuries. And it’s a normal thing to do in many European beaches.
So whereas you’re technically right - I don’t see signs of it going away in our communities either - I wouldn’t discard it too quickly.
Not in the United States, not even in 100 years. Anywhere else: Maybe.
In Europe some women already go topless at beaches/lakes.
It’s already legal in several parts of the US
“Legal” is not “not tabood”.
Fair
links to those places and the statues that support that claim?
Not how laws work. There has to be a law to prevent something.
https://whnt.com/news/women-can-now-legally-go-topless-in-6-states-after-federal-ruling/amp/
As I always say: if something is not explicitly forbidden, then it’s fair game.
At least colorado, Kansas, New Mexico and Wyoming by court.
And quite a lot if european countries (some only at beaches and pools etc.)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/free-the-nipple-states
Lots of states also are very ambiguous with their laws or don’t actively prosecute them. In any way: It’s s a stupid law and no one is hurt by topless or even nude people in the streets. I don’t find it appealing for myself but if others like it, let them have it.
Austin, not sure about the rest of Texas. Apparently the logic was, if men can go topless, why not women?
You could have just googled it yourself but sure
So long as they wear sun screen lol
The same can be said about bald people.
I’d be surprised if in 100 years there’s not at least one place in the world where wearing a pet collar is considered socially acceptable.
Is that not just a choker?
It’s already here, and has been for decades. Goth clubs, yo.
Free-the-nipple hopefully.
I know there’s a lot of humor over this campaign but the fact that it is illegal for one gender to do something and not the other gender and the length that media and social go to to censor only female nipples is kind of mindblowing.
Sounds like a simple and easy thing that will eventually pass into absurdity but with the whole “save the children” crackdown going on, I’m not optimistic that this is a freedom women will enjoy in a 100 years.
I don’t know that it’ll happen in time for me to benefit from it, but if free the nipple becomes more normalized, I’m hoping my nipples being visible beneath my shirt stops being so taboo (I mean bumps, not sheer shirt). I am sick of deciding I am not going to the store because I don’t want to put a bra on. I feel uncomfortable answering my door without a bra or hoodie. Forget going to family functions or work without extra padding in my bra. I hate it. They’re normal. They’re natural. Stop sexualizing the fact that women have nipples.
Be the change you want to see in the world. I am old enough to remember a time before this ridiculous insistence on round lumps instead of boob-shaped boobs and am noticing FINALLY the chokehold of that thick padding and “modesty pads” is waning. Around here I am seeing more ladies braless, and in bras but with a more natural look.
It’s not even remotely immodest to have nipples, boobs come standard with them. I am not sure why the trend of the too smooth profile held on so stubbornly, but it is just a trend. I hate it and always have.
Yeah 2023 and theres still some for real Scarlet Letter shit going on if women leave the house in taboo mode apparently.
Where’s that illegal? In Iraq or something?
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Well, Iraq too presumably.
Would you look at that
https://gotopless.org/topless-laws
Explicitly Illegal: Indiana, Tennessee, Utah, Mexico
Ambiguously Illegal: Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Jersey, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Virginia, Washington, Washington D.C
I was honestly surprised at seeing laws in some of the more liberal states & DC tbh. Weed is legal - but lady nips still a crime.
Being conservative.
There will always be people on both sides of the line, but the important part is where the line is and what direction it is moving. Certainly I hope society has shifted left, by a lot.
Eating meat. I think two things will happen: (1) we’ll discover that there’s very little difference in feelings between humans and other animals and (2) science will allow us to produce meat in a lab.
This is literally the opposite of what OP asked.
Woops, I read the question as going both directions… Oh well!
With lab grown meat there’s no reason to be vegan, so the taboo is lifted.
What? There is no taboo being vegan. You two are really trying to twist OP’s question into your narrative. He’s asking what is taboo TODAY, that will no longer be taboo in the future.
No dammit. Think when you read.
There’s a taboo, within the vegan community, on eating meat. That taboo will be lifted.
If the message doesn’t make sense re-interpret it until it does.
I feel like everyone is getting you wrong. I know what you mean. Your point is that nowadays meat consumption is already a taboo.
Meat consumption is taboo? Where do you live, farmville?
Connect the dots Einstein. We’re talking about vegans here. There are like 100 words of text here it’s not hard to understand.
So you mean that eating meat is taboo for an absolutely tiny proportion of the world? How could that possibly be relevant?
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They must taste delicious… Yum yum.
Access to abortions, I hope, sh!t is getting long.
Don’t worry too much, Kojima will make a game about it eventually.
I deadass saw the first death stranding trailer and thought it was a commentary on transgenderism.
How?
Norman reedus carries fetus
Thats a little bit of a stretch, but it’s Kojima, so you never know.
The movie called “Gataka” in some way is about this.
I would presume that in 100 years, if humanity still exists, we’ll be deep into a dark age, so there likely won’t be much in the way of widespread taboos at all. Individual clans and tribes will undoubtedly have their own taboos, but there’s no telling what they might be.
What makes you think that a global crisis would reduce humanity to tribes and clans? Isn’t it more likely that desperate times result in something more like a global government and more systematic enslavement of humans? How could the owning class ever pass on the opportunity of not having to work and instead utilize their workers as efficiently as possible?
I believe that the oligarchs will try to do exactly that - I just don’t think that they’ll succeed.
And in trying and failing, they’ll so undermine society and bring about so much frustration and anger that our civilization will not survive.
A global crisis, if severe enough, would make a global government impossible to maintain. If anything, existing governments would struggle to survive.
I suspect that some degree of polyamory may be more socially acceptable in 100 years than it is now.
I am going to operate under the following assumptions:
-the current global trend towards authoritarian governments will continue and become more prevalent
-balkanization will be the new norm: an atlas will show more numerous and smaller countries
-climate change (extreme heat, extreme humidity and sea level rise) will make large regions functionally unfit for human habitation by reasons of lethal heat and/or humidity, loss of coastal access, lack of potable water and/or loss of sustainable agriculture.
-we’ll be well into the technological curve for AI and robotics. We’ll have gone past the early stage where people over-estimate technological capabilities and far into the later stages where people will under-estimate technological capabilities
-if cash is still legal, it will be useless for all legitimate transactions because no institution wants it. If it still exists, it will only be useful for peer-to-peer illegitimate transactions: crime, drugs and sex.
-whatever is bad now will be worseSo: social taboos that exist today that will not be taboo in 100 years?
-slavery: we already see slavery in all but name in the form of privatized prisons and wage-slavery (work a soul-killing minimum wage job, or die/be homeless). What if the cost of being able to emigrate from a country or region that is uninhabitable is slavery, whether real or de facto? It’s the cheapest form of labor.
-murder: being deemed outlaw will make a comeback. An outlaw is outside the protection of the law, so killing an outlaw is not a crime.
-extortion: governments and government proxies (militias, death squads, religious sects) will exercise sanctioned extortion
-hoarding: if you are living in an unstable balkan state or are an unpopular minority in one, hoarding will not be pathologic
-civilian ownership of firearms
-racism and nationalism; best way to keep out undesirable climate refugees is to de-humanize them
-corporations being into every piece of the pie: a logical extension of the trend to privatization or “wanting government to be run like a business” is the replacement of nation-states by corporations or zaibatsu-like alliances of multiple corporationsSadly, I think many of those things will come true.
balkanization will be the new norm: an atlas will show more numerous and smaller countries
How is this not more of a thing? All these countries that didn’t exist until Europe organised them have grown and matured (in a way). But plenty of countries complain about how the boarders were made, why don’t they sort them out and change things?
Like nothing is stopping them from doing it. Blaming it on someone 100 years ago that is long dead isn’t stopping anything from happening.
No offense intended, but I sincerely hope you are wrong on all accounts. I doubt it, but one can hope…
Final stage capitalism promises the future they describe. What’s left to do when all resources are tapped and people are controlled to be sold? It only makes a future for a select few who sit on the ocean of the populous blood, the bed of ashes that is the earth and it’s depleted resources.
That was a well thought out and utterly terrifying take. I believe many of the points you’ve made will indeed be true, much to my chagrin.
corporations being into every piece of the pie: a logical extension of the trend to privatization or “wanting government to be run like a business” is the replacement of nation-states by corporations or zaibatsu-like alliances of multiple corporations
I personally think corporations are going to kill each other off (most likely culminating in a global corpo-war where the last two duke it out) with only one surviving and becoming something akin to the catholic church in the medieval period, plunging the world into a new dark age.
Prostitution and drugs being illegal.
I have a hard time seeing a proper utopia driven society penalizing these. Everyone should be able to fuck. Everyone should be able to put whatever they want in their bodies too. Dicks or drugs, doesn’t matter.
Prostitution is already legal in a number of countries, as is cannabis and some other drugs in some places eg Portugal
I’m in general agreement with you but would make an exception for some extremely high harm drugs such as meth
Drugs are not legal in Portugal. It’s decriminalised up to small amounts (ie personal use), which is different.
My understanding is that:
If you get caught with a couple of joints (or any drugs), they are confiscated, you are identified and you might have to pay a fine, do community service or go to an addiction consultation.
If you’re over that limit, but not overly, you get the above + go to court and will likely receive suspended sentence and will have a criminal record.
If you get caught with a truckload (obviously for distribution), if it’s your first offence you’ll likely also get suspended sentence, such is the state of our justice. If it’s not your first offence, you’ll likely do jail time.
Thanks, that’s a great explanation
What benefit does making ‘extremely harmful drugs such as meth’ illegal provide? In the US meth is illegal. In the US meth use is an epidemic. Prohibition doesn’t stop people from accessing or using drugs. It just puts a legal constraint that adds fear of repercussion and social stigma on users that is another barrier to overcome when attempting to seek help and treatment. Not to mention illegal drug trades mean potentially dangerous, unregulated products and the crime that drug trade is often associated with.
If you make most drugs legal bar the most harmful ones, people will gravitate towards the less harmful ones because of legal availability. The mistake the US made is to make all drugs illegal, blanket prohibition has been a disaster
And I think what @sudo wants is decriminalization - that a person who gets arrested for using meth is treated for their addiction rather than go to jail.
For meth users, yes that is the right approach. For the dealers/ sellers etc, jail or something that incapacitates them is a better option
i would not, if you want to do hard drugs you can. in a controlled environment with a doctor nearby. of course you will have to pay for that.
if you ban it, people that want it no matter what will crate an illegal market for it.
Total agree with prostitution, Drugs on the other hand are tricky. I like Portugals approach. Decriminalize it for individuals, prosecute the distributors and get those addicted help to get off of it. Seems to work quite good for them.
Some drugs are fine, others not so much. And some people can form bad habits and dependencies on good drugs. Its a tricky situation all around. But yes, thats the best approach imho
But I love drugs.
I’ve recently read it isn’t going so well for them. People aren’t being diverted to rehab as much anymore. The country is attracting addicts that want to get high with no repercussions.
I heard Oregon (?) was having similar issues there where they made similar changes
Voluntarily chopping off your arm. (To replace it with something else)
To replace it with something else
Like a leg?
Chainsaw?
Those dirty tri-legs.
My daughter wanted to marry a tri-leg from Pizza Hutt. I said “Girl he’s gonna run out on you first chance he gets … triple time!”
She cried and cried, but deep down I think she thought it was a pretty good joke.
“From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh…”
Seriously though, even some pretty mundane stuff- knees and hips and such that won’t crap out on my when I’m old, teeth that won’t chip even if I do stupid shit like use them as a bottle opener, there’s all kinds of bugs just waiting to be patched out of the human wetware.
And that without even considering the superhuman upgrades that could be considered.
Human genetic modifications for improved physical/mental/emotional performance and aesthetics reasons. I’m sure furries will get what they want someday.
Here’s hoping
God I hope to wag a tail in my lifetime.
As long as it doesn’t lead to the eugenics wars.
Red Rising incoming :|
It will.
People need to stop seeing history as something we get to design.
When pls?
obligatory owo uwu
however, this stuff “still” in Star Trek is somewhat taboo. I know, it’s just pure fiction fron the 60’s-80’s, but the image of the future it depicta feels strangely OK even today.
