It is endlessly frustrating that companies have universally decided that they won’t let people say “no” to stuff, ever. There are no longer options to reject stupid-ass new “features”, only postponement until next time you open the app/website/program. They’ll continue pestering you for the rest of your life. I realize that my frustration may be a little over-zealous, but we deal with these interfaces dozens of times per day and this is user hostile behavior. There isn’t really an option to just use another service or program, since the entire technology landscape has been commandeered by a few major corporations, and they all enact the same shitty things as a group.
My LG television keeps asking to accept terms for voice control. I stand fast in my refusal to accept. There not even an option to say no…sigh…
When I set up mine years ago there was an option but you had to scroll the screen below the fold and there was no indicator you could do that.
The TV doesn’t need networking, it just needs HDMI in.
The LG terms are the same as the Android terms, FYI. So if youve accepted them on your phone, you might as well accept them on your TV. LG uses Google for their voice control. I read the thing when I got my TV and if I remember correctly, they’ll send bits of recordings from when you’re holding the button to Google for processing of the requests. It’s been a long time since I read it though, so they definitely could have changed it. The voice commands are one of my favorite things about our TV. Like if I want to watch John Wick, then I just say that and it shows me each of the services I have available that have that movie. It’s pretty rad. That’s one area where I conceded any privacy concerns for convenience and I really enjoy it.
Google voice is the first thing to get disabled on any Android phone I use. It’s like the biggest invasion of privacy you could imagine outside of agreeing to let them film you on the toilet.
I DNS blocked my LG TV services because I got tired of being served with paid content which I do not want to see but they give no choice to opt-out of. For example the recommended movies and TV shows from Amazon Prime. I don’t have Amazon and I don’t intend to get it. There should be an option to remove that but you can’t. Same with the sports section.
So now the TV works as it should. It can’t find the source for that content and just hides it.
Get Pi-hole
What domains did you ad to your pihole Blocklist for the LG tv WebOS services you mentioned?
Why use that corpo crap to begin with.
The world is not black and white.
Because not everything has an open source alternative.
Especially when it comes to hardware
When I was just a lad looking for my true vocation
My father said "Now son, this choice deserves deliberation
Though you could be a doctor or perhaps a financier
My boy, why not consider a more challenging career?"
Heaps of stuff that’s positioned as the “alternative of X” feels like garbo. For example when I’m forced to use Pinta editor / GIMP over Photoshop when I’m using Linux. I get the expectation can’t be to have feature parity but some of these alternatives feel really poor
You also don’t like Krita?
Never even heard of it, I’ll have to give it a go 👍🏼
Ya I use it all the time. It’s a different beast from gimp. To me it felt easier for drawing.
AFAIK, Krita’s more oriented towards 2D illustration than image editing.
It definitely felt like an improvement over gimp to me when it comes to drawing. In fact I also use it for editing now, but I imagine gimp might be better for that.
No, YouTube. NO. I will NEVER, EVER want YouTube Premium. Stop asking me about it every fucking time I watch a video.
Download LibreRube and PipePipe. No ads.
I switched to Nebula as most of the YouTubers I watched most are on there. NewPipe for the few that aren’t. Now I’m spending the time I used to waste watching YouTube contributing to openstreetmap.
I’ve considered getting nebula. Are you also able to comment, like or dislike? Are there custom playlists?
No comments, likes or dislikes or playlists. No recommendation algorithm, just a nice simple video streaming platform with no ads
YouTube premium is probably the video streaming purchase I get the most use out of lol.
Because they irritate people into getting it. You wouldn’t have it if they didnt turn features off and increase ads until you wanted it.
Fuck google
I heard it’s one of the better ways to support YouTube creators. That’s why I got it.
I have adblockers and a pihole so ads weren’t that bad anyway.
I’m ashamed to report the same.
You’re only saying that because they forced you to buy it!
Actually I’ve had YouTube premium for a few years now and I love it! I use YouTube a lot, but I also then get YouTube Music which I also use A LOT because it’s actually a really good music service.
Music plus ad free YouTube? Video/music background playing? All worth the money to me, and I’m helping keep a service I enjoy alive as YouTube still isn’t profitable. Which also slows enshitification of another product I enjoy.
I want to help YouTube be profitable while I still like it, to
I tried the YouTube music service and I hated it. It would play the low quality BS that people uploaded instead of studio quality recordings from the bands. It also has way too many live versions of the songs. I also didn’t like the interface. My wife and I considered signing up for YouTube premium, but it costs as much as traditional cable. I might as well just get Comcast or something. At least then I could watch baseball without a VPN. But I’m glad you enjoy it.
Having all the live versions of some songs is the best part for me. I love live recordings.
Are you sure you haven’t gotten YouTube Premium mixed up with YouTube TV? The latter is priced like traditional cable because that’s basically what it is; premium is just YouTube with no ads, basic app features that shouldn’t be paywalled in the first place like downloading videos, and YT music thrown in.
The YouTube premium family plan (pairs with more accounts/devices) is a little more expensive at like $23 but I didn’t think that was cable tv expensive. All the full-package cable replacement services I know of are around $70-$90.
Ah yes, I was thinking of YouTube TV.
If they wouldn’t have that fucked up “same household”-policy for the family plan, I would be all over YouTube Premium. But for me alone it’s too expensive (I don’t use it THAT heavily) and I couldn’t share it with my family that lives in three different places.
Same here. I always said “ain’t no way I’m ever paying for what used to be free!”
Fast forward to political ad season and some orange peckerhead keeps popping up… “Alright, here’s your damn money. Now let me watch this autistic guy unclog drains in peace.”
You don’t want Shorts? Gotcha, we will remind you in 30 days.
I never even knew they suggest those with prompts. I use librewolf/Mull+uBO+yt enhancer for years so I guess it just filter those out. Also, you can convert short to regular videos so that’s cool too
You want to avoid shorts and the algorithm by automatically opening the subscriptions feed? Fuck you, here’s shorts in your subscriptions feed! proceeds to switch to RSS (That’s my journey with YouTube)
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I swapped over to https://www.themoviedb.org years ago and have never looked back.
Never heard of this. Checking it out. Thanks!
Yeah, I have my fingers crossed for a Fediverse IMDb as I have been moving me stuff over to Trakt but they could get snapped up and pull the same BS.
It’s maddening. Some of our users prefer Edge, so I don’t run anything that would remove it. So much M$ is a PITA. But hey, Patch Tuesday is tomorrow 😀
I always give them a 1 star rating for disrespecting user intent.
Same. Also the same if they give me popups telling me to go leave them feedback. The first time I let it slide, but if it pops up again I’m like “oh I’ll leave you feedback, you mudda fuckers, you!”
Pester me and I’m done with you. I don’t care. App quits working because I didn’t upgrade it and your reason is “improvements”, goodbye.
I had a lot of that experience with an app called Postman before I switched to Insomnia.rest for software development. Same thing with twitter after musk bought it.
Postman
Someone’s developing a rest framework!
uBO’ block elements be like: see you never byee
Going sans ad-block is depressing. Even things like local news sites, it’s just pop, cookies, pop agree to this bullshit, pop, download the app, then you get in and are scrolling past adverts three screens long.
Like who wants to read stories about potholes and stabbings so much they’d put up with that shit?
Fandom “wikis” are unusable on mobile. The text you are trying to fucking read is constantly jumping around because the next shitty ad and autoplay video is loading. Just look at the user experience:
I still don’t care about cookies + block EU cookie filter list works great for me. It even deals with this annoying YT cookie screen. And if I visit often and something dodged those, I just block it manually. Must sites don’t update the elements often (or never lol)
I couldn’t find many useful add-ons for Firefox Mobile. Just uBlock Origin.
I find uBO with good filter lists enough, but you can add custom addon list in dev mod, I’ll edit with link soon
Except YouTube changes element ID every so often, so you see it again. Like their whole “try our shitty YouTube tv now!” Element, of which I have several IDs zapped, and still see it every day I go on yt.
E: autocorrect fix
Yeah i guess, but I still didn’t see any promt on yt for years now. I guess uBO and yt enhancer just deals with all this crap automatically.
It does work well on most of the other sites.
Ah, you have yte. Yes. Yte should take care of that. I forgot about yte! Thanks!
THANK YOU. I’m glad others are noticing this and getting fed up with it.
No means no, damnit.
Microsoft: “Please use Edge!”
Me: “No thanks!”
Microsoft, 6 months later: “Please use Edge!”
Me: “No, thanks.”
Microsoft, when I visit Bing: “Please use Edge.”
Me: “No. Thanks.”
Microsoft, when I open Outlook: “We will be opening links in Edge instead of your default browser. To switch back, go to your preferences.”
Me: “Motherfucker, I think we have a difference in viewpoints.”
Yep, super annoying and you will get the same thing, but for Chrome, when hitting Google sites in Edge or Firefox.
“Do you want to try the new Lemmy™ Story Experience? Click here or remind us now to keep reminding you until you finally cave to our humungous data-hoovering tentacles, puny little user.”
Yeah, Google is doing this to analytics right now. The decision seems universally disliked amongst professionals.
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No he didn’t. Why are you libeling him?
Probably because of this. The commenter overstated the situation, but there are valid and serious criticisms to be made.
The commenter overstated the situation
Yeah, by a whole fucking lot.
So did the people making the initial accusations, which twisted RMS’s words past the breaking point of credibility.
For the record — since almost nobody seems to have bothered to read what he actually said, instead preferring to blindly believe the character assassins’ secondhand interpretation — the only thing RMS did “wrong” was failing to conform to the societal assumption that the teenager involved had zero agency just because she was young and should instead be treated exactly the same as if she were a small child. He didn’t even claim she did have agency; he just refused to discount the possibility out of hand.
In other words, he got cancelled for being too respectful and feminist toward her (along with using careful logic and not jumping to conclusions unsupported by facts just because the topic was taboo).
I mean, this is a guy who was inventing neopronouns before it was cool. He’s literally the most egalitarian-minded person I can think of, and is about as far from a male chauvinist as you can get!
Frankly, the whole situation reeks of wanting to weaken the Free Software Foundation and bend it towards corporate interests by discrediting the most prominent copyleft and users’ rights hard-liner. But I can’t prove that, so I’ll stop short of actually claiming it.
(I also won’t claim that the speed at which people were willing to believe the accusations at face value was due to their latent ableism and lack of understanding towards autistic people. Although RMS certainly acts autistic IMO, to my knowledge he’s never claimed to have been diagnosed with that condition.)
No he didn’t. He said some things that were blatantly misreported, and then he was crucified without anyone bothering to notice that he didn’t actually say what was accused of saying.
Use NextDNS and you can block everything except for ads that are served as content, like Facebook does.
Use portmaster and rethinkdns to use those filter lists no matter which DNS you choose (I use dnscrypt BTW)
I don’t think that you’re being overzealous. Far from that - even the phrasing rubs me the wrong way; it conveys "you’re something fooling itself that it has a choice. You don’t - you aren’t a rational human being, you’re a user. Do as you’re being ordered to. The continued pestering adds “You’ll be bossed around until you learn to obey.” to the insult.
On a lighter side I agree with Grouchy that you have options. I think that we should start giving those companies the middle finger. And frankly I think that we’re better off doing so for other reasons - the data vultures love this sort of “non-confrontational on surface, but bossy upon analysis” discourse.
the data vultures love this sort of “non-confrontational on surface, but bossy upon analysis” discourse.
We need a simple name for this, like we have for enshittification or shrinkflation.
Consumer manipulation?
Corporate badgering?
Hmmm… maybe something involving “false dichotomy”, “Sysyphus”, “pestering”, “options”, “forced politeness”, …
Illusion of choice.
Perhaps “donkey taming”? Donkeys are often associated with stupidity, but they’re actually rather smart… and stubborn, they don’t do what you want them to do unless you’re really insistent, and slowly lead them the way that you want. What those businesses are doing with users is the same.
It’s a subset of dark patterns.
Yes! It’s a dark pattern microagression.
Dark Pattern
In the eighties, it was acknowledged that since the fifties the viewing public are more resistant to commercials and marketing, outpacing their new techniques (more commercials, engaging commercials, obnoxious commercials, product placement, having whole shows that are one big commercial, etc.)
One factor is as marketers hard-sell middle age men, they’re also immunizing their kids and grand kids who grow up skeptical of anyone saying anything nice lest they’re trying to sell something.
This also likely figures into the attendance crises experienced by religious ministries as old parishioners age out and new ones realize they don’t have time for spirit or money for tithes.
Whenever I see an ad telling me how my life could be better if I just bought the next widget, I think of a line from the princess bride:
“Life IS pain. Anybody who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.”
Fascinating, I assumed roughly this behavior but I don’t think there’s much information about the futility of marketing because it threatens the jobs of marketers, any good sources?
Both Cracked and Wisecrack have done videos on the phenomenon. I suspect the reason it doesn’t affect the job is because the immunizing effect is general while the promoting effect is specific. Coca-cola wants to boost Coke, even if in so doing, they weaken all future promotions of everything.
