• lad
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      As a latent American, apparently, I also struggle to make sense of it (I’m planning to research those parties, but haven’t gotten to it yet)

      Also, naming of parties seems often misleading, maybe even on purpose

      Could you recommend some resources I can use for a crash course on who’s who in EP, or maybe someone can summarise the projected results and what are the expected problems?

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        Traditionally, the EU has been governed by an informal coalition of the two largest groups/parties, centre-right EPP and centre-left S&D, both being pro-EU. After the last election where they underperformed, they were joined by the third largest group, centrist, pro-EU Renew.

        This election, pro-EU groups collectively have lost a lot of seats while right-wing EU-sceptic groups gained seats. The most radical of these groups, ID, made the biggest gains. This will make coalition building and therefore governing way more complicated.

        European parties are alliances of national parties from various member states. Those representatives elected to the European Parliament for the national parties form so called groups. Typically, these groups correspond to the European parties. Usually, it makes more sense to talk about the groups rather than the parties.

      • @[email protected]
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        These political groups are formed by members elected by national voters. A group can be formed as long as they have at least 25 members from at least one quarter of EU countries. They’re pretty much analogous to a party, they work in broadly the same way. In the Image above they’re broadly organised from Left to Right politically:

        The LEFT group is, well, pretty left. They include Communists and Socialists, and in their own way can be a bit eurosceptic, although they typically want to reform or replace the EU rather than just disbanding it.

        The GREENS are also pretty left, with a focus on Climate, Animal Rights, Income Equality, Feminism, that sort of thing. They are generally pro-Europe.

        The S&D group are center left. Members tend to be from say, the Labour party of various countries. They want things like fairer employment and more regulated market. They were the largest party in the EU until 1999, now the second largest.

        RENEW are Center, pretty Liberal (in the Phil Ochs sense). They’re pro-business and want a strong economy, but they at least talk up things like civil rights and social welfare (I don’t know enough about them to judge how well they do in practise). They’re very pro-EU, and have billed themselves as ‘the Pro-European political group’.

        The EPP are center-right, pretty conservative. Lots of ‘Christian Democratic’ representation. Neoliberal, want more defence spending, pro-Europe, pro-Ukraine. They say they’re focused on the climate, but the Greens say that that’s a lie. They’ve been the biggest group since 1999.

        The ECR calls itself center-right (but is really a bit right-er), and ‘soft-eurosceptic’. This Eurosceptism is their main thing: They support the idea of the EU, so they say, but they want to prevent it from going ‘too far’, with too much oversight, integration, and immigration. Some members are your standard conservative types, some are far-right.

        The ID group is far-right. They don’t like the EU, and are opposed to it interfering with the ‘sovereignity’ of States. Anti-immigration, anti-‘islamisation’, pro-nationalism.

        Nonaligned (technically ‘non-inscrits’) are just that - they haven’t joined with any of the above blocs.

        These projected results broadly show increased support for the right over the left, but more sharply show gains for the Eurosceptic ID and Non-Inscrits (who often are Eurosceptic, but not always and I don’t actually know the individual cases here) at the expense of the pro-EU Greens and Renew. So it doesn’t look great for fans of the European Left.

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          I thought europe is pretty balanced/leftist, but that sounds quite biased towards right already.

        • lad
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          Thanks, it looks like the right are really on the rise as of lately, I heard about this happening in the Netherlands, in Spain, now the EP :(

          Also, I hope we’re not going to see another Brexit(s), especially considering how the UK citizens seem now to think it was a mistake

          • @[email protected]
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            Portugal is also sending for the first time our dear fascists to the europe. It’s all imploding in our lifetimes.

    • Norgur
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      While I am all for laughing at the 'Muricans for making themselves out to be the prime democratic nation on the planet while having the choice between a conservative and an ultra-conservative party only, this time, we cannot indulge in this kind of thing to feel superior. We need to make sure we actually stay superior now, which… isn’t a given anymore.

      • @[email protected]
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        ‘Haha you guys only have the choice between conservative and far-right’

        only elects conservatives and far-right

        -us europeans rn

    • @[email protected]
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      And those are just the party coalitions, where the different national parties that are sent from all 27 countries form groups based on common agendas

    • @[email protected]
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      Most likely because they’re at the bottom of the list and the seat color follows the same order

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        Not really? Then the left would also be on the right

        • @[email protected]
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          Derp… maybe I should have taken another look at the picture before commenting. I think my brain just picked out yellow near the top of the list and yellow a few colors from the left and went “sure that’s the same order”

  • @[email protected]
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    I think the most important topic right now is confronting the climate change and the problems it is going to cause, on every level local, regional, national and international. This looming crisis is going to affect everything and everyone on an existential level, and requires every of these government levels, even every individual, to fucking work and to fucking stand together.

    And now my compatriots elect AfD.

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      One is easy to perceive as bad and the other takes some thinking about to really appreciate.

    • Tar_Alcaran
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      Yes but have you considered that brown people are to blame for all these things? And that they are also fictional lies by The Left ™ to scare you away from the horrible brown people?

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        Also, it’s clearly way more important that we let Chinese Intelligence Operations in broad daylight tell our youths to vote for nazis to destabilize the regions rather than peacefully coexist and solve our problems. After all, how else will we get communism if not that? /s

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          The whole “Fascism is coming from china!” thing is a conspiracy theory though, isn’t it? Private media in the west are owned by western private media, not by Chinese psyops, and the funding that right wing influencers get in social media isn’t from China either. The problem doesn’t come from outside, it’s literally inside.

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            China benefits from destabilizing the west (and India). Their online campaigns on various social media networks tend to promote misinformation, which correlates highly with conservative and far-right ideologies. TikTok in particular served as a pipeline into far right radicalization.

            I’m not denying there is a problem within, and I’m not claiming China only pushes far right, but to claim that Chinese operations aren’t noticeably impacting western politics in the most negative ways possible is just pure ignorance.

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              TikTok is originally Chinese, but most other social media is from the US. Would you argue that the rise of far-right content in YouTube, Facebook or Instagram is also a consequence of the Chinese government?

              China’s policy hasn’t been to destabilize Europe, it’s been to get closer commercially, for example with the Belt and Road initiative. Unless you bring further evidence than “TikTok is Chinese” (with it being the only Chinese social media we use), or “China benefits from it”, it’s nothing but speculation, which is absolutely unnecessary since the very far-right content creators from Europe and the US are from those countries and also funded by western organizations such as the Atlas Foundation.

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                I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG, but we know they’re 100% present. In fact, some time ago, CCP propaganda was flooding YT Shorts with machine generated content. We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                Yes, these sorts of operations are pretty commonly carried out by all of the world powers, but that’s the highest form of whataboutism. It’s a problem now that negatively affects us, it’s not hypocritical to want to solve the problem. And China is #1 most problematic, in part because it’s a top world power and a dictatorship and also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                China has been closing off it’s commercial sector, recently. It plans to import less to allow their local corporations to dominate markets.

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                  I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG

                  We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                  And China is #1 most problematic, […] also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                  Thank you for proving exactly my point that you’re talking out of your ass, and you’re capable of contradicting yourself in one comment

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      Climate change is literally on position 4 out of 5 for voters. People are absolute fucking morons and at this point I think we should just go extinct. This is ridiculous.

      • @[email protected]
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        Humanity can go extinct. We deserve it. I feel bad for all the animals we kill along with us.

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          It’s difficult to extinct us. If will take a thousand years of volcanoes, bad harvests, pandemics without vaccines, etc.

          We’re just so many now.

          What’s a lot faster is to wipe away the achievements of civilization, pushing us back into a state where starvation, disease and suffering are the norm and not the exception.

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        If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.

        Edit: I know, that climate change will only worsen your financial situation, but a lot of people don’t see the long term effects on them and the economy.

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          Part of the reason why you can’t afford your bills is climate change and it’s going to get worse, doesn’t prevent people from taking their car to drive 500m to drop their kids to school!

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          Well, the conservatives will sure help the little man to have more money in their pockets. (PSA: they won’t)

          Also, if the land you live on is flooded or dries out, you can’t live there anymore. That’s the far greater threat to peoples’ existence. They just think they’ll be among the lucky survivors and only some nasty brown people will die.

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            It seems anti-immigration is driving all these right wing votes. And xenophobia manifests from the naïve idea that immigrants will somehow reduce incomes.

        • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin
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          Because I’m sure your house getting swept away in the third flood to break records that month is REALLY gonna help your bills!

        • @[email protected]
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          What is the priority then? I guess the sensible option would be to tax the rich more, and fight for a better distribution of wealth, right?

          But that is not at all what the blue and right parties are standing for, quite the contrary.

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            The human is primed for tribalism and these parties are exploiting that bug to offer the always-attractive solution of “this group of people is to blame”. This time, it’s Muslims and generally immigrants.

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          If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.

          Well, then you should even more care about climate change. Like I said, morons. But we all know that the rise of the far right isn’t because of people’s bills.

          • @[email protected]
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            The Bad financial Situation of people is one reason why people tend to vote for the right wing parties. Its not the only one, but its part of the problem.

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              The main & absolute biggest reason is racism. And again:

              Like I said, morons.

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    Can someone knowledgeable here explain this projection in relation to green policies and carbon goals?

    I assume they are now (even) less likely to be in form of mandates and we are moving towards ‘capitalism (with a lil stimulus push here and there) will solve the problem it created’?
    Tho maybe nuclear energy could also get a little bit more (re)renewed traction?

    Also, the whole internet surveillance isn’t going away now, is it?

    • @[email protected]
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      The EU past a lot of actually good policy in the last term. Namely ban of fossil fuel cars 2035, limiting certificates for the EUs carbon market, new carbon market for transport and housing and a bunch of other laws, which actually have some positive impact. For the most part the EU parliament was not only in favour, but activly pushing for it being one of the most pro enviromental policy parliaments in the world. That is probably going to stop and they likely try to kill some of the laws passed. So the key in the future will be defence for most enviromental groups. The laws which have been passed will lower emissions, but not fast enough.

      As for nuclear the EU is so far this year at 73.2% clean electricity. The large countries with a lot of fossil fuels are Poland, Italy and Germany. Of those only Poland is activly pushing for nuclear. The EU parliament is not able to force the other two to do that.

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        Here is a clip of a talk show where Robert Habeck of the green party explains why nuclear is not ecological:

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xznqbpv0QE

        I think it is clear for most people that nuclear is not sustainable and only a short term solution. Now is actually a great opportunity to push for renewable energies also because it is important to get a foot into the market before China takes it all.

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          Short term and nuclear do not belong in the same sentence. It takes a decade to build a single plant.

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          I don’t think they really care if it’s eco or not. It’s a 20-30 year boondoggle during which time they can carry on burning fossil fuels while vetoing anything green under the pretence of “but the nuclear is already on the way”.

          And by the time the nuclear is built, it won’t be enough (because of all the electric cars), so they’ll carry on with the coal and gas anyway.

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      The parties consistently voting in favor of green policies were Greens, Left and Socialdemocrats, with Liberals and independents varying wildly. Some decarbonization goals are still in place, but the new equilibrium may vote to revoke some of them and the actual laws to enforce them for good will likely not be passed.

    • @[email protected]
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      Anything blue or on the right of blue will vote against green policies. That’s your threshold I guess. Same for surveillance (blue ->pro).

      • @[email protected]
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        *everything yellow an right of yellow

        another 5 years lost in the time critical task to slow climate change, i could cry …

        • @[email protected]
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          That’s not correct. As far as I know, VOLT for example is part of the reformers “yellow”, and they will vote for climate stuff.

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      With the German Pirate Party loosing its seat a strong voice against surveilance is lost.

      They also supplied NGOs with information directly from the legislative process, allowing them to act faster (and sometimes you have to be very fast to comment on minor changes with great effect) I hope somebody else at least partly takes on this role.

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        Too bad, yeah. But Patrick became a father and wants to continue his job as a judge at home. His work will be missed.

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      Tho maybe nuclear energy could also get a little bit more (re)renewed traction?

      Don’t hold your fingers closed, the oil lobby is behind the right, not the left.

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    Can we take a moment to consider that everything is the fault of the Italians. The Italians, and only the Italians:

    Why the hell are your polling stations open until 23:00? Who the hell votes at that time? Is it one of those “not cappuccino after 11 – no voting before dusk” kind of superstitions? You’re the reason we don’t have proper projections yet!

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        We’re already done counting. They’re actively not updating the results because the Italians can’t be bothered to vote during daytime. On a Sunday.

        EDIT: State results are in. Well, almost completely.

    • Tar_Alcaran
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      Why the hell are your polling stations open until 23:00?

      That’s just barely in time to vote after dinner!

      • @[email protected]
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        I was just in Rome, and when I started getting hungry there was still an hour left until most restaurants even opened (19:30). Pure insanity to my Scandinavian habits.

        • @[email protected]
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          I was in Stockholm and I felt horribly when I started feeling hungry and I noticed restaurants were already closing 😂

      • @[email protected]
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        Then vote after your morning espresso!

        Or like me: Go to vote whenever, visit the Italian ice cream parlour on the way back.

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      Considering the next elections one should form a national party to expand pause times to multiple hours as well, so that we can bear 35 degree celcius in april 2029.

      Either spains siesta approach or adapting italias layed-back attitude both sounds promising!!

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      Italy has taken in a lot of refugees and will thus probably have rather high right wing voter turnout.

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    Are the non-aligned a "party"that would rather not be named (on the right wing of things) or are they actually non aligned and would be better represented as being in the middle of this chart?

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      Different fractions, some of them are not aligned yet because they are new. However, for the biggest groups: 17 MEPs are the German AfD that was kicked out of the right-most group for being too Nazi, 11 MEPs are Fidesz (Orban) which is right-wing and the list goes on, so for the most part the position is mostly correct.

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    Young voters did this, ironically enough, according to BBC World News. Young people struggling to get jobs after graduation think that right wing parties will fix that.

    So as older generations are trying not to hand-off a burning planet to the young, the young are signing up for a burning planet under some delusion that right wingers will get them jobs. Schools have apparently failed to teach kids that the jobs they get under conservative governance are shit jobs – lousy pay and lousy benefits.

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      The Nazi Party’s popularity increased in the early 1930s partly because of its pledge to do what no other political party had been able to accomplish: pull Germany out of the Great Depression and put Germans back to work.

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            Although that was definitely part of their ideology I’m not sure if they really did accomplish it. Do you have a source, would be an interesting read.

            At least during the war more women than ever did/had to do paid work.

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      What unsettles me that the EPP plus everything right of it have a majority. The right have a majority in the parliament, and the EPP’s centrism is the only think saving us from it.