God what utter tripe. Past behavior has shown disaster in what sense? How do you fucking predict all of that from this plot. This is how you close credibility for your cause in 140 characters or less
While I get the sentiment and believe action is necessary, this is the wrong way to approach it. Panic is not the way we will solve this crisis.
There’s a way out, and if we get through we’ll be in a better place than we’ve ever been. We need to mass invest in green technology. Solar, wind, nuclear, throw everything at it and see what sticks. Solar is already on the right track to save us, but it’s better if it goes even faster and have a few back up plans.
platitudes will not save us from math
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small gestures that make us feel good will not have a meaningful impact on the exponential changes in the chemical composition of the atmosphere that will result in the destruction of the biosphere and are counter-productive because they create an illusion of safety and control, like like putting your seat belt on just before you slam into a wall while speeding at 300 mph.
better?
Panic is not the way we will solve this crisis.
In this case panic is preferable to completely ignoring the problem as is currently humanity’s strategy.
But spreading panic is counterprodictive
As a species, we are pretty damn far from panic.
if a group of people are in a burning building and about to die, panic would actually help them get out
in this case, however, it’s unlikely anyone is going to get out of this building, and it’s too late to change things, so perhaps you are right
we should just find ways to make peace with the destruction of much of life on earth
Excellent example of what I mean. In a burning building panic isn’t helpful and hinders the actual correct response, just like with climate change.
that’s not true. in a burning building, freaking out and getting the fuck out of the building is smart and why it’s instinctual
sitting around and debating the best way to proceed is stupid AF
that’s not true. in a burning building, freaking out and getting the fuck out of the building is smart and why it’s instinctual
Not at all, why do you think during fire drills you’re instructed to stay calm?
They say that when there are large number of people and a risk of people being trampled or when there are young students and teachers need to keep count to make sure everyone gets out.
At this point, the risk of every person on earth dying due to inaction or calmly discussing small ways to change is much higher than if everyone panics. People should have panicked 50 years ago when they looked at data.
But go ahead, have calm rational discussions about policy decisions that can reduce exponential growth of destructive forces by 30 percent. Because nothing stops exponential growth like mild decreases in the rate of change.
Nothing else has worked.
Is it on its way to save us though? Sure the global north might be able to escape the worst and maintain some semblance of normality but how does that work for the remaining 90% of the world? Those that can neither afford nor have the time to wait until the “green energy revolution” reaches them? Do we just accept they’ll never be able to reap the benefits of their own exploitation?
I know you don’t have the answers but these are questions we nees to grapple with that nobody seems to know how to answer…
No we don’t need to accept that, they can be better off by the end of this century than we are now.
A lot of places in the global south are already using solar and wind because it’s cheaper than trying to get on the oil competition, cheap Chinese solar is increasing this. What would really help is western governments investing in designing open source solutions that make staying off oil easier but apparently the only thing that matters to us is short term profits
Drop everything
… and? Panic? Die?
The people who tweeted this suck at Communication 101. You’ve gotta have a specific and clear call to action. Something like “Join this protest at XYZ” or “Demand your Congressman support ABC.”
You can’t just say “Drop everything. Forget about your job and your kid’s education.” That’s not an effective message.
Unless their point is we’re past the point of protests and political policies doing anything and we’re all gonna die. In which case, say that. “Drop everything and go die, cause we’re fucked.” You gotta be clear!
I think part of the post is the implication that there is no more call to action, only a downward spiral that no action could solve.
Doomerism is propaganda.
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Yeah there’s a good chunk of this country that would react to this kind of message by heading to the gun store to stock up. Not exactly helpful.
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If we take it at face value, it would seem the audience they are targeting would not care to participate in xyz and would not care to ask the congressman to vote abc, probably because those things are not in their own financial interest. But that’s not actually who this is targeting. It’s targeting the rest of us, who are already aware of those people. But we can’t do anything about it.
Preferably. Dieing and then panicking is a lot less effective.
Never kill yourself for something that’s somebody else’s fault.
(Looking for this image has definitely put me on a watchlist)
Now the body of one soul I adore wants to die
You have always told me you’d not live past 25
I say, stay long enough to repay all who caused strife
No Man’s Sky just got a cool update, so I think I’m gonna play that while I await my doom.
Drop and roll.
Jokes aside, go outside, touch grass, plant some trees. Rinse and repeat
Disaster is nearing. Mass displacement. Mass starvation. Mass death. It is all imminent. Do you understand?
That sound really bad. So then I have a couple questions.
- do you support new nuclear power? How about if the plant will be built near where you live?
- do you support Geo-engineering testing?
… if no then how could the consequences of that be worse then mass death and starvation?
Sorry but fuck you doomerist cunts. No, we are not gonna have an easy time AT ALL. But giving up plays right into hands of corporations and governments destroying our planet. Every single improvement we are able to push through will limit suffering.
If we do nothing and completely give up, we will never know what suffering we could have prevented. I know it is not easy and things are not looking good. If we had not fought for some of the improvements we were able to push through, things would have been even worse than they are right now. Every. Single. Thing. Helps.
Don’t even let these evil fucking cunts win no matter how hard they kick and scream and destroy stuff.
Nah, I call bullshit. You can try every little thing you want. In the end in won’t matter. We are fucked and you just can’t accept it. We either massively change things now or our efforts won’t matter. People already complain about small changes and what we need means a massive lifestyle change for billions. It ain’t happening. Get your head out of your own ass please.
What if we, and I realize this is heretical to day: try big things and promote lifestyle changes in advance being coerced towards worse ones
How about you go fuck yourself and jerk off to doomer porn?
In world war 2, did people think “ah fuck defeating the nazis. They already killed millions of people. We should just five up”?
If your kitchen is on fire, do you just say fuck it? And let the rest of the house burn too?
What is it with you cunts giving up on every single setback?
You sound like you would let yourself drown because “oh fuck it my pants are already wet.”.
Get YOUR head out of the asses of the people destroying the planet. You’re literally on their side with the constant calls for giving up.
Fuck. You.
Okay, so what do I do?
Vote? Been doing that. Doesn’t seem to be helping.
Recycle? Okay, let’s have two trucks pick up garbage every week.
Eat less meat? Been doing that. But I’m a drop in the ocean.
Drive less? Been doing that. But it’s made completely inconsequential because of private jet owners.
Short of killing large numbers of people in the first world we won’t be able to even slow it down.
So what do I do that can actually have an impact?
Vote? Been doing that. Doesn’t seem to be helping.
Vote, of course. But also donate and campaign. The only way out of this mess is political. Volunteer. Protest. Rally others.
There are political parties, big, mainstream ones that frequently win elections, who want to bring us to carbon neutrality and even beyond, to undo the damage of past generations. Give them more power. They’re stemming the tide but with enough power they could reverse it.
You actually have a positive impact. But you’re also having a negative impact by spreading the mentality of “nothing will change”, both to yourself and to other people you’re voicing it to. It makes yourself and everyone you voice it to less likely to take action like you did.
Don’t get me wrong, I also realistically believe we will run into massive problems. But the only sensible thing to do is just keep trying everything possible personally, it’s the right thing to do.
So lie to myself and others? Because “nothing will change” has been my lived experience my entire life. Should I just ignore the helplessness and hopelessness and put on a happy face?
They are spinning around throwing punches in all directions and mostly just hitting the air. We are nowhere near actually getting a punch across the jaw of any of the people that it actually matters for.
I get it. It’s maddening to have no obvious villain but be surrounded by “bad” people. We do need people to flail and cling to life but they are more just trying to appease their own mind than anything.
I voted for sanders, continue to try and vote for a at least halfway decent candidate, i moved into an rv that i retrofitted to be fully solar powered. 3.6Kw of panels, 15kwh of battery, haven’t had to touch the grid since installing it, 15 stages of water filtration i can just use rainwater if need be for my freshwater (verified with lab tests for water safety) i have my own land and grow as much of my own veggies and herbs as i can. I drive literally one of the least polluting cars in the world (smart fortwo gets an avg of 44MPG is not even a hybrid) and I still try to drive it as little as possible, i use all stainless steel throughout my kitchen (cookware, storage, utensils, plates, bowels, cups) , so everything lasts forever and has no microplastics or pfas.
I genuinely don’t know what more i could possibly do to reduce my footprint, I went out of my way to live as efficiently as possible and it’s done literally nothing whatsoever for the situation. And people bitch moan complain about even the smallest change to their life. I can’t even convince people to at least try induction over gas stoves. It’s got so much better temperature control than gas, and since it’s literally turning the pan into the heating element it’s like 92% efficient whereas gas is horrendously inefficient since a large amount of heat just barfs out into the room instead of getting to your food. And I’m literally offering people to just fucking have one of mine so it’s not like it’s a cost issue.
So fuck you, we are doomed and you can’t convince me otherwise
Why should I be worried, when I am more dangerous than a bear and privileged for having student loan debt?
Eh, humanity had a nice run. I mean it’s not like I can stop the 100 highest polluting countries and corporations that account for like 90% of the problem. So I might as well just accept our inevitable extinction.
wow. that easy, huh? gimme your wallet, punk. you seem like a pushover. there’s plenty of things you can do to stop them once you start thinking outside the box.
It’s not like I’m running large vessels that measure their fuel consumption in gallons per mile, and have them run 24/7 so that stuff can get delivered slightly faster…
You know Amazon is using a lot of Rivians for delivery, now if only we could stop the jets…
I’m talking about boats. Shipping vessels. Cargo ships. Freight liners.
They run basically 24/7, and consume more fuel than all the delivery trucks that Amazon has replaced with rivians.
Just don’t look up.
Drop everything and do what exactly
LSD, K, and maybe some MDMA. At least thats what i would like to do.
You can have all the Ketamine. Please pass some LSD and MDMA this way
Block ambulances and throw stuff at paintings.
Molotovs?
TBH this is the answer. If govs are willing to sell themselves and all legislature to the highest bidder, then it’s time for mass protests, strikes, and molotovs.
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that could have changed the trajectory 50 years ago
if people had been scientifically literate and recognized the problem
it’s too late now
this will happen when the pain of reality (regular temperatures in the 100s) overcomes the stupidity of religion, but there won’t be any going back
The world is burning, start more fires!
Great idea.
It’s already on fire. Might as well make sure the right places burn.
For a start you could get active in local politics and support zoning reform. Car dependent infrastructure is a huge contributor to greenhouse gas emissions and I am not just talking about car exhaust.
If we want to solve climate change we need to change our way of life, and that means ditching as many cars as possible.
I’m pretty sure the only way to solve this is by an extension of politics though another means. Are you ready?
what? it’s too late for that.
we are all actually going to die. changing a zoning rule? you think that’s going to help?
if there’s an avalanche that is seconds away from enveloping you in snow and killing you, do you suggest walking a few steps to the side? it won’t do anything. the math is too much at this point to change with recycling a can or planting a tree. the only thing that will get the world to finally believe in math is massive amounts of death
make peace with death, it’s coming for us all
ME? I KNOW WHO I AM
I AM DUDE
Wishing this graph could include data from further back.
Back when most of the North was encased in ice?
Before the white walkers
This is a little more aloof, but still a good reference to the scale of change we’ve created since the Industrial Revolution.
Do you understand?
No.
Yea, the graph showing us up 4 standard deviations isn’t easy to understand implications. But I imagine on a person level, it’s something like “if you live somewhere hot and humid, you better make sure you can afford to run and repair your AC”. On a global level, mammals have existed for 200,000,000 years, yet in 200 years we’ve toyed with global extinction for shareholder profits.
Meh, humans will survive, literally, unless Antarctica heats over 200 degrees from now, we can survive somewhere on the planet. We won’t prosper, there will be billions of deaths and an unimaginable about of loss, but short of planned deliberate nuclear war or large asteroid, we’ll survive a little.
Cool, nothing to worry about then!
Vote for Jill Stein and support the Green party in any way you can.
I’m glad we were able to create plastic for the earth and help set the course for future wonders never before imaginable.
When did this place turn into r/collapse on Reddit?
June already bringing on intense heat waves in California and Mexico are probably driving the doomerism on the west coast.
Houston also got a nasty Derecho a few weeks back that wrecked downtown and shredded half the trees in my neighborhood.
I expect the next big hurricane is going to bring another wave of doomerism, as we all get another big dose of “Find Out”, while our Boomer elders continue to Fuck Around
Every single thing we are fighting for and does get through has prevented stuff from being even worse than they are now. Don’t ever give up.
What gets through? I simply don’t see it. Fossil fuel drilling in the US has hit an all-time high. Domestic car sizes are only getting bigger and we’re taxing or banning any small, cheap foreign EV imports. For every pipeline that gets stalled, three more are built. We don’t even bother reporting on spills anymore, despite their increasing frequency. We are epically fucked and we all know it.
Don’t ever give up.
Give up doing what? This isn’t Peter Pan. You can’t bring us under 1.5C by clapping.
Every day, the daily rate of CO2 output beats the previous day. We haven’t even remotely slowed down.
The rate of co2 growth is no longer exponential. This is improvement. Yes, it’s still growing, but at a slower rate than it used to. We’re moving in the right direction, thought much too slowly.
Think of it like a big ship hurtling along.
Currently, we’re braking. Still moving forward but slower. We need to stop and reverse, and that’s the plan, but we need to do it faster.
Yea but at least some CEOs are getting great salary packages!
Yeah 1.5 is fucked. But we can still limit it under 2.0 or 2.5. Yes it is fucking horrific. But 1.5 does not mean everyone suddenly drops dead.
Also, the world isnt the US. Improvements are happening on a smaller scale. Some countries getting almost all energy through solar and wind.
Green energy becoming cheaper than fossil fuel.
Is it enough? Fuck no. But im not letting you cunts hop in with corporations and push the pedal to the metal.
Stop ignoring all the positive things happening to fix the climate. You are putting other people off helping with your doomer shit.
But we can still limit it under 2.0 or 2.5.
Unless I’m talking to a CEO of a major bank or Fortune 100 fossil fuel firm, “we” cannot.
You talk to politicians. Politicians talk to (or coerce) CEOs.
We can’t trust companies to get us out of this, but government is (or should be) stronger than companies, and government is (or should be) working for US.
And CEOs pledge campaign contributions and lobbying efforts to delay regulations against their corporate interests
Government should be the counter balance to private interests, but in a capitalistic system they act in tandem.
You don’t think it could have been even worse by now? I do.
Will say though, I do wish to visit the timeline where Al Gore did not concede, and was president.
Yeah, but if it’s inevitable going to end up at worse… Now I have to deal with this shit AND take care of the fuckin boomers… Shoulda just let them tear the bandaid off quick and have to deal with it themselves… ~devil’s advocate
Kinda feels like karma on a global scale. Humans evolved intelligence just to use it to systematically oppress each other, mostly in the name of feeling powerful. Not sure I’d call that “intelligence” and I think the planet would be better off without us.
The problem with that idea is us colonizers will still reap the rewards while karma exploits the less developed
The planet doesn’t give a shit about us. These are just natural processes (yes humans are a part of nature). We are just a particularly anomalous part of the system
