With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, would people be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?
Do you trust apple with their claims?
I found it really weird too, Microsoft pushing Recall, an AI feature, vs Apple pushing Apple Intelligence, an AI feature… and only Microsoft got backfired.
One records your every moment and was instantly exploited to get every piece of data you ever saw and the other does things when you ask it too and asks you before sending data off device. These are clearly exactly the same thing.
Hmm didn’t know iCloud was on device…
iCloud is a data backup system, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand
I guess I thought it was the primary data storage dump. My point is that your data is already sent before you had a choice.
Recall was set to be default on for everybody and to record everything in a database which is trivial to extract data from.
There’s a lot of nonsense Apple is doing too (like the chatgpt integration) but they didn’t put keylogger into the system.
It’s closed source, so no way in hell
Apple fans will argue it is somehow better
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I’m sure we wouldn’t stop hearing about how it was the right decision even if we weren’t having a conversation about it.
Recall in principal is a cool idea. It is also one that M$ has not earned the trust for. I think Apple would be better received. I’m not sure I would like Apple’s recall, but they have done more to foster trust than M$.
I am curious why you’d think that is a good idea. I find it absolutely useless, as anything that I’d like stored… We can already easily store. But recording EVERYTHING that happens in my computer??? What kind of data hoarding obsession is this?
That is a small vulnerability away of being the biggest mistake of your life, IMO.
Same reason file manager has a recents. It helps you return to previous work. Asking it if it remembers which paper had which conclusion or graph would make being a grad students easier. Perhaps it reminds you about some deliverable you promised in an email is due is three days. I see it as a good tool to organize productivity with. Like I said no one has earned the trust this software would require.
Yes! “Recents” works fine and doesn’t even need to record everything you’ve done and consume AI resources!
For asking about papers and so… You can do that with an AI crawler on your files!! No need to store a screenshot of everything you’ve ever done!
The deliverable thing, again, it can be done by directly looking up your files.
But no, somehow they went full spy instead. Companies will love to put this feature in their employee’s computers.
Wanna fire someone? Let’s see if they used their computer once for an unrelated-to-work task…
Now if someone gains access to your computer they’ll get everything that you didn’t think you even had! So great!!
Yeah but recent only considers local files and you can’t ask it which one said this or that if you don’t remember. Its a good tool to keep track of a lot of things. As a student I would like that.
Once you find out we’ve had fuzzy finders for 40 years your mind is going to be blown.
I am not saying AI is not useful. It will be an amazing use case to sprinkle some AI into fuzzyfinders, but don’t let it have everything that has ever been played on screen… Passwords, private windows, one-time messages… You must be very young if you don’t see the problems with that.
There is a reason why we have password protected folders and files, or how we keep some stuff locked online, or how we use private browser windows. And you want to feed all that to an AI.
I know about the fuzzy finders and regular expressions. The Q was why I think it is helpful and I answered that. You’re just hitting me with some dogma. You could also just know where your stuff is at and not need search tools either. Recall is a neat idea, but I don’t have confidence in M$ execution or privacy.
And Apple has earned any trust? Jesus christ people, like less than 2 months ago they were caught restoring “deleted” photos from iCloud to user devices hahahahaha. Of course fans were excusing them talking about disk sectors like that has anything to do with cloud storage being available accidentally hahahaha.
But yeah, Apple cult followers will find a way to justify surrendering even more freedom to Apple with this BS for sure. And they will be paying top dollar for the pleasure hahahaha.
“People” would be, yes. Apple is continuously praised by its rabid fans for engaging in anti-consumer practices disguised as “courage” or “security”. There will always be a very vocal group who believe it is the greatest, most humane and ethical company on the planet. Whether the same people who criticised Microsoft would be criticising Apple is another question.
Do you trust apple with their claims?
No. I inherently distrust trillion dolllar tech companies in poorly regulated economies. They are able to get away with a lot of crap and they know it. That’s how the Cult of Apple works. I would not be surprised when they violate their own privacy policy knowingly and structurally.
I would love this this feature to be implemented in IOS. This could be used for several applications like pushing more people to Linux.
You had us in the first half, NGL
Yes. Their privacy policy is very clear. They’ve put so much effort into providing privacy features, well before every other developer in the industry, that they’ve built their customer base on it. The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive, and they would hemorrhage customers. They have strong financial reason to maintain their word. If you ask for your GDPR compliant abstract from Apple, it’ll only include your name, phone number, and billing address.
From a security standpoint, the privacy features are top notch. They use 256-bit AES encryption for iCloud, iMessage, FaceTime, Apple Wallet, Find My iPhone, HomeKit, FileVault, Secure Enclave, and now Apple Intelligence. Apple operating systems use a UNIX kernel design, keeping the application layer independent of the operating system layer, allowing full sandbox control and requiring user authorization for any API access.
Plus, nerds love to try and find chinks in the armor. In the event of the inevitable vulnerability, Apple is always quick to release a patch.
Edit: You asked a question about Apple products outside of an Apple instance. Look for the ones with all the downvotes to get a real answer from Apple customers. PC/Android users love to condescendingly reply to and downvote Apple supporting comments. I think it makes them feel superior. Lol
The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive
Haha nah it wouldn’t.
and they would hemorrhage customers
I mean all of their competitors give zero fucks about privacy soooo no.
You clearly don’t know many Apple users.
Everyone I know is an Apple user, unfortunately
Hi! I know many Apple users, and 100% of them bought it because “bro, it’s Apple”. It’s basically the “im not poor” message that the Apple logo gives. They don’t care about anything else aside that it’s Apple and it plays CandyCrush.
Sounds like you know a bunch of rich kids with iPhones. Recall is a Windows feature. I assume OP was asking about Mac users. The majority of Mac users are creators, who care very much about the privacy of their work.
Believe me, poor kids will save for an iPhone too. But yes, the Mac audience is a bit more professional, although I still know of a couple of dumbasses using Mac because of the aesthetics at Starbucks.
Apple fans would
Apple fanboys would… other people I don’t think so…
Apple fans and people that fall for their slick marketing would
That brings me to a recent discovery:
I got a text via matrix, my notifications dont show content, yet the „places“ app suggested a route to an address given in the message.
I checked and had no appointment or other text which the app could have read it from.
This suggests to me two things: apple is reading our screens already, our governments do as well.
Can someone confirm or deny?
It’s weird to assume that OS doesn’t “read” the notification content, because how else would it categorize them by priority, and provide smart replies and stuff.
Thanks for offering your opinion. I find it weird to assume the worst at all times yet here we are.
My point is that it makes zero sense to use encryption on iOS devices at all if they read your stuff anyway, no?
Not really, it can make sense. By “reading” your messages/notifications they could just perform semantic search/categorization, or now, run a local LLM. It doesn’t necessarily mean they send that data to servers or make people actually read it.
Encryption just means the data stored on your device is not saved in plaintext. So if somebody gets their hands on your phone, they won’t be able to hot-wire the memory chip and directly read all the data.We have a misunderstanding here. I know that encryption as a whole will do that. But using anything else than imessage for example or whatsapp makes no sense if they can read it anyway. No point in using matrix, threema, signal and whatever. I need to get rid of this phone.
If it’s the encrypted transfer protocols that you’re talking about, then it’s just for the transfer of data. It was never meant to make things secure on the endpoints. Encrypting your whatsapps, signals and so on just ensures the ISPs and mobile operators can’t read your messages. Also prevents an occasional MITM attack. Once the data reaches your device it’s not encrypted anymore, as you can read it and copy it.
I know. You do get that the normal person does not think their phone manufacturer listens in on the stuff they have on their phone, yes? That is what I‘m talking about.
I don’t follow. No I don’t think that most people think that Apple and Samsung are spying on them. But a lot of people are concerned about NSA and the likes having access through the cellular service. Which is what the encryption is for.
Its like Apple runs the notification servers or something
That’s the whole reason why I disabled the notifications for Lemmy app.
Apple has been trying to be the next advertising giant. They’ve been growing their advertising revenue and plan on doubling it this year. They went from $4b ad revenue to $7.5 2022/2023. And if you remember correctly, that was right when you started seeing all their “apple cares about your privacy!” ads and got into it with Facebook. They’re not out here to protect our privacy. They’re trying to take the advertising revenue from the other ad giants and corner that market for themselves.
Think about it. They have gotten people locked into their OS/ecosystem. They basically hold the advertising golden ticket. They’re not here to make your digital life more private. They’re here to get your data for themselves, locking out the competition. They aim to bring more people into the gate and shut it behind them while extracting all of our advertising milk with their more advanced data udder sucking machine. The pasture looks nice, but when those gates close, the skies darken and the farmer corners you with that look in his eye.
I don’t know where that metaphor came from. But that’s how I see it in my head. The moo cow with the pretty eyelashes and the shiny bell around her neck is pulled into a false sense of security by the smiling farmer at the gate, but that shit turns dark real quick when she’s locked in.
Can’t neither but it’s sooo easy to achieve with telemetry.
Your friend searched for the place. Your friend send you (any) message. Anyone and their mother know you are affiliated with your friend. Said place is now connected with you.
That’s why telemetry doesn’t need to read your screen
I don’t think Apple is planning that. For now they’re trying the approach to expose metadata like email headers to their AI, but that such data has been already accessible to the search functionality anyway.
It’s very different from Recall, which dumps screen capture of webpages and passwords into a database file that’s only protected by access rights.
I would trust them more than Microsoft because at least they would actually store it encrypted safely and not just basic ACLs that are easy to bypass.
Even with a root shell on macOS you can’t bypass certain things like access to the camera for example. You’d have to work way harder to access recall data, not in a way that malware can trivially access.
I still wouldn’t use it though, because I think the whole thing is dumb and I don’t need my computer to spy on me so I can remember what I did yesterday. I have browser/shell history for that.
