Is there a work around? I feel like every time I figure out how to keep it from uploading and just save locally, it resets the next time I boot up. I’ve been using word because the transcribe feature is very helpful for navigating uni with my disabilities
Try hitting F12 to save… It should just show file explorer instead of all the cloud bs.
remember kids when onedrive folders are set to “available on this pc” it does both
Except I don’t want it in a OneDrive folder, I want it in My Docs. Which you now have to browse for every fucking time.
Well, I don’t, because I reconfigured that shit.
I’m filing this under the new style login pages after inputting your email address:
“Do you want to log in using password, passkey, email confirmation?”
Stage 2:
Documents folder? You want to rule my whole computer, dictate some nonsensical folder structure and then you act like, out of the goodness of your heart, I can have this little set of folders, deep in your weird structure, to store my stuff? And you’re even telling me how to sort it? On my own hard drive connected to my own computer?
I unironically do this. There was one update that wiped one guy’s Documents/Downloads/Images/Videos. So I made my own and store my things there.
What OS doesn’t do that, even linux has xdg dirs
And then at some point, games started saving inside documents. Ok, it makes sense to have game save files in a user area instead of a subfolder in the game install area, but they aren’t documents. Just make a new game saves folder or something like that, don’t just stick all my game save files in the same area, cluttering up my own organization.
Though I did solve it kinda by just making a new documents subfolder in my documents where I put my actual documents.
“%userprofile%\Saved Games” exists, but most games that i’ve seen don’t use it by default, or even can’t use it due to its own shortcomings.
Yeah, ultimately the issue is probably more about an attempt to go from a completely unmanaged file system where it was just big free for all with the hope everyone would behave nicely to a more managed design that still needed to maintain backwards compatibility with the old system where there were a slew of programs that depended on a bunch of undocumented behavior.
There is a folder for game saves iirc.
While we are at it I’d like to see music be called audio.
📎 It seems you want to save your file locally. Too bad…
I can’t be the only one who liked clippy in the XP days.
Adobe pulls that shit too.
And it’s really easy to not really think about what you’re doing and accidentally save to the cloud.
Then later wonder what the fuck happened to the file you spent three hours on when you came back from lunch.
Fucking Adobe.
Adobe also recently snuck into their ToS that they could use whatever you made with their products for training AI and then gaslit everyone saying “we never said that” and changed their ToS. You know where you can’t access my stuff? Offline.
You mean can access?
Ah good catch
We have this shit at work, they make it incredibly hard to get a fucking attachment as a real attachment instead of a link to their cloud
Specially annoying since my organization is “geofence” but we work with people all over the world… So MS insists on switching attachments to links nobody can open outside my country
Are you in France?
Huh? Outlook gives you two clear options when attaching a document. One is to attach as a copy, and one is to share it.
You can even convert a shared link to an attachment by right clicking on it before sending (assuming you’re using Outlook web instead of the ancient garbage Outlook desktop app.)
Is there any way to get it to default to actual attachment?
Start an email. Click attach. Pick the file.
Same as it’s always worked.
Yes but If you chose the full attachment, half the time I just get the link
This is because MS will force it if they think the attachment is an odd extension or too big or whatever
That’s probably because your file is over 10MB and would be rejected by most receiving systems
Yes, that’s what MS thinks… Yet that’s not the case as I can successfully get the files off SharePoint to my PC and then email them
The issue is MS doing this on its own accord and without proper warning or way to permanently override
No, it only does it when it is too big. And that is very convenient rather than it trying to send your message and then giving you a failure notice. Why are you bitching about features that actively make your life easier?
There is a lot to bitch at M$ about, but this is not one of them.
It doesn’t make my life any better as those links never work.
If it works for you fine, don’t need to be offended like I insulted your girlfriend
If the links don’t work, that is a “you” problem.
Yeah, it sure does sound like it would be hard to have a notification if the attachment is going to fail due to size policies, and then have an option to use the link or cancel the attachment (and have you choose another way). It would also be unheard of for there to be a setting in that dialog to say to always do whatever action you take so it only inconveniences those who go with the default once.
User-hostile software is never a “you” problem. This applies to a number of FOSS products, as well.
If that were the case, it would confuse users. It would be flooded with tickets about the weird notification that they got and didn’t read and how they can’t attach files anymore.
“Cancel the link attachment”???
Fucking press backspace! Jesus Christ, did you just get your first computer ever? I’m getting the picture that critical thinking isn’t really your forte.
Lol, you think MS is watching and will give a treat for being such a nice little follower?
Nope, I just deal with OneDrive support constantly and I can say definitively that it’s pretty decent at what it does, and if the links you are getting or sending are not working, it is your fault.
If you want to bitch about something substantive, how about bitching about how 365 has like 20 admin panels that are opaque about what they are and what they do, terrible menu layouts in those menus, etc.
That stuff is a very real problem.
Some boomer who can’t figure out how cloud drives work is not a real issue.
I think this it not necessarily a bad thing. Worked in an office where they produce GB of CAD files. Sending it as attachment would fail for most clients because of their mailbox size, and receiving it also sucks because it would clog the local outlook inbox file, and everything would crawl to a halt when you open Outlook in the morning.
Blame your company for not configuring that shit, or choosing to let MS handle it all.
Personally, no company should be using Office 365 and external mail. Bring that shit back in house.
NoKnow (wtf autoincorrect?) why bringing it in house costs more? Because it’s worth it, for the control.Tomato potato… My company uses MS because it’s the fucking industry default and it sucks
I would put more onus on them if we were talking about some niche thing they refused to give up. But MS is what everyone uses and they wouldn’t be able to ditch it altogether because MS has a monopoly
I speak from experience that no one other than professionals should be handling their own mail servers in 2024. I worked for a mail host. The amount of spam and attacks that befall a mail provider, even a small one, is bonkers. Plus, mail is just too damn important.
I wish it wasn’t the case because the idea of everyone privately hosting their own mail servers would be pretty awesome. Sadly the modern internet makes it way too risky.
I’m also not sure where they got their idea that cloud is cheaper from. On prem has always been cheaper, I’ve had to walk through fire and flames to get my company to approve cloud hosting as we simply do not have the capacity to be our own mail host. Goodluck explaining tech debt to upper management though, it’s like they’re allergic to the idea of understanding it.
God if that isn’t the truth. We changed from Thryv to rackspace and we went from zero spam to 30 a day and this is AFTER they block a bunch. Waste of my time every day having to go through them.
Preach it
Ya JWZ I think complained about this
Do you have a link?
Oh maybe conflated a post from someone else like “self hosting email just sucks, everything goes to spam, give up” with a JWZ repost of something different
Sorry to misremember, edited
Thanks
On premise exchange is fucking trash. Get out of here with that shit.
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And how if you share a file in Teams and then six months later you want to share a file with the same name to ANYONE else via teams, well that’s a big no-can-do. Teams just went ahead and uploaded that file to your “stuff to share” folder in OneDrive and didn’t put it in a subfolder unique to the chat, or add a unique prefix or suffix or anything because hey, you’ll only ever share a file with a particular name once in your life, right?
And nobody would ever want to share a file with the same name, but different data, right? So Teams can just give the end user the choice between replacing the current file with the new one, or sharing the same one again to these new guys, because there’s no possible use case for actually having two files named the same with different information in the file, right?
Nobody would want to share a README.TXT, or Photo001.jpg, or contact.ics, or a zip file of a folder they just downloaded from Teams’ SharePoint interface, the file that’s automatically called “OneDrive.zip” without the option to change it before saving, more than once, right? Right??
Fuck teams. And fuck Teams(New) too, just for the shitty name.
Note they left the “…and improved” off the (New) title.
What about New Outlook (New) with New in the icon?
How else are you to know which version you’re using??
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Invoice.doc
was gonna say they stopped using that in 2007 but your comment is probably still the most accurate lmao
Yes I HATE that so much!
When does this scenario ever come up? I’ve never had the file save dialog try to default to OneDrive.
What version of Windows are you using, and is it possible you forgot about configuring OneDrive away? This is the default in most versions of 10 and 11.
11, and what do you mean by “configuring OneDrive away”?
I meant what edition, and I mean what I said. Group policy, registry keys, or scripts/programs that remove it ala shut up 10.
Oh shit, I use Shut Up 10. Might explain why I haven’t had any issues lol. I forgot I had installed it (ADHD).
Save As dialog of Windows or the one built into MS Word, for example? Why they even did that, I don’t know
Again, I’ve never seen this before in my Save As dialog in neither Windows 10 or 11.
No, this is behavior in MS Office products, not Windows.
Well that explains it, lol. I don’t use MS Office products.
And I also don’t want programs to throw all their crap in the documents folder. AppData is made for that.
~/.config :>
And now show hidden files and you see the plethora of applications that dump everything in your homedir instead of .config
That really pisses me off.
Its even worse when they dont make it a hidden folder (looking at you android studio)
That annoys the fuck out of me. I want the folders I put in /home, not your shit. Put it in /.local or something and fuck off.
I believe the folder you are attempting to refer to is for all users so you probably do want to have the config in
~/.configunless you want everyone to have the same. Also /home is the directory that includes all users respective~/directories so use~/when referring to your own home directory.Edit I can’t figure out the formatting. My client is showing
<sub>where ~ should be.
yup…
.hidden file became my best friend - and a little context menu script for dolphin to easily add a file / folder to that .hidden is a thing i use way too often tbh
No matter the environment, it is important to dump shit wherever so the user does not get complacent.
Hint for KDE folks: Ctrl + h toggles hidden visibility. Makes navigating lots easier. :D
Same in thunar (the xfce file manager)
Awesome! Thunar is legit. 😁
SO MUCH. Now my standard procedure is to just make a “_My_Documents” folder within Documents, so I can know where the files are that I put there myself.
(Leading underscore pops it to the top of the list alphabetically)
I remember some Windows versions had a Games folder for all that, saved games, etc…but it seems very few games actually decided to use it lol.
Had that happen at work. I just drag-and-dropped a file into the Outlook web-UI, thinking it’d attach as an e-mail. Turns out, they recently changed that feature and you now have to drop into the right half of the area. If you drop into the left half, it uploads into OneDrive.
I accidentally did that. The document had personal data inside. That’s a breach of GDPR. Fucking ace.
(I’m not sure that attaching to the e-mail isn’t also a breach of the GDPR, since my company switched Microsoft 365 for various things. But yeah, I certainly would have liked a confirmation dialog.)
My favorite Windows drag-and-drop feature is that if ever I drag a file over the left pane of Explorer on its way to another window, the whole thing freezes up for a minute or so. I think it’s polling all the network drives just in case I might decide to drop it there, and since my NAS is turned off (it broke) it just waits until the connection times out. Of course in traditional Microsoft style this locks up the UI thread. I have to remember to drag everything off to the right and then go around.
Maybe next year Xbox cloud gaming should team up with Outlook and Onedrive for the “Ultimate” cloud computing conversion feature:
When you drag and drop a file into Outlook, Windows mail, or Exchange, the file bounces around like in the window like in the game Breakout. You can only attach a copy if you hit every word in your email message. If you let the file fall past the signature line, it makes a Onedrive link automatically.
I want to save to onedrive. So I can create it from my desktop, modify it from my laptop next week when I’m out of town, and send a link to it to the printer shop that’s gonna print me some copies. Why are you like this?
We used to do this with thumb drives. You can get a 128G usb3 thumb drive these days for like 20 bucks in the checkout line of most electronics stores. Cool things about a thumb* drive is I don’t need to pay a subscription fee for it, it doesn’t need an Internet connection, and it isn’t liable to be rifled through by Microsoft unless Bill Gates comes to your house and steals it from you.
Hey, no one is trying to stop you from doing that. I’m sure it is very convenient for you.
My point of view though is that automatically uploading my personal files to some corporation computer on the other side of the world should not be the default when I try to save something. Maybe sometimes I’ll want to use that feature, but there are a variety of reasons why I don’t want it most of the time. And I definitely don’t like having to jump through hoops just to avoid it.
OneDrive=Ransomware
Insert “use Linux” joke. But I’m absolutely serious when I say that using my company’s M365 stuff using the web versions in Firefox on Linux is pretty pleasant.
Any experience on OneDrive Client for Linux by any chance?
thats pretty cursed
Nope, I’m not sure I even looked for one yet. I don’t need auto sync and/or backup for my work since that’s mostly in GitHub and JIRA and the like. But it’s still convenient to be able to throw a file in there at times.
When i still needed to use OneDrive I used rclone, works great and also supports most other cloud providers as well as sftp
Hmm, in my experience Microsoft 365 on Firefox (Linux) works horrendously.
I’m a Firefox user, but when I need to work on OneDrive or Outlook Web I open Chrome because it works way better. And that’s a shame.
Use a user agent switcher. Usually fixes the problems.
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Hank Hill made me like Ronald Reagan
Neat, just what I would expect from user @[email protected]
What’s wrong with my username?
Do ah look lack ah know hwat a Onedrive is?
