If I am ever drafted (Unlikely due to my shoulder, colorblindness, various mental health things) I will just start saying “I’m going to tell the enemy where my group is and sabotage equipment. I am a liability, you don’t want me there. If you put me with radio, I will shoot that radio. If you put me in cooking, I will spill the beans. If you give me a gun, it’s not going to be used at the enemy.”
Will I? Probably not. But talk is cheap and I don’t think a military group wants someone who publicly stated “I will commit treason and aid the enemy.”
There is always Leavenworth
Good way to end up in an internment camp under suspicion of sedition.
Better than shooting someone in cold blood because “murder is valid because we said it was war time.” I’d rather be in jail than a murderer, I don’t need to add PTSD when my brain is already fucked up.
You could just be a conscientious objector…
Because the military has shown how fond of them they are even when they are truly heroes aka Desmond Doss’ story…
It sounds like you really don’t want the military to be fond of you anyway. Conscientious objector would be the legal route to ensure you did not go to war.
With the “it’s complicated” tag. Not necessarily, there are levels of conscientious objector. It is possible to drafted into a non combat role depending on how you are classified.
I am, and they wouldn’t care in a draft. I’m a suicidal weirdo who refuses to harm anyone, I barely have the will power to harm myself, let alone others stuck in similar situations.
I just will say anything to get out of service of a war.
I just will say anything to get out of service of a war.
Apart from “I’m a conscientious objector” apparently. You have that right.
I’m going to say it. I was trying to be funny on the internet. I apologize.
You’re not wrong.
It’s better to just tell them you’re suicidal. Not only will they take away any weapons from you, they will usher you out faster than you can blink.
Unless you’re already in, in which case they’ll put you on a mental health hold for a year or two, in the worst possible conditions, before kicking you out on your ass.
But if you’re in basic they will get you out fast and not bother with you.
You could just dress up in women’s clothes.
Didn’t really work for Corporal Klinger.
I might catch hate for this but I never understood why it wasn’t automatic the entire time since it’s illegal to not register.
Because there has not been a draft since the 70s, where automatic registration was not feasible.
Yes, but failure to register was a felony.
Just say you have bone spurs
Pretty sure that doesn’t get you out of the registration, only actually serving. I think Trump was registered and said the bone spur thing later
Easy way to funnel the lazy into prison labor?
That never happened
Not any more at least. Prior to this bill, failing to register for Selective Services was a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and/or a fine of not more than $250,000.
Now you’re automatically enrolled. I think it’s actually better this way.
Eh, military service now is 8 years right? I’d take jail and file bankruptcy. At least you’ll be alive instead of cannon fodder, and it’s 3 years less.
We were always forced to register. The fine and imprisonment were penalties for avoiding registration. You’d be registered at the hearing as well as facing consequences.
At least you’ll be alive instead of cannon fodder
I don’t think the military is dying at a noticeable rate, especially as “cannon fodder.” A quick Google says deaths by hostile action hasn’t broken the triple digits annually over the last decade. I also didn’t really look at the other deaths, so feel free to dive into that side.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner
This is about the draft. We haven’t drafted in forever either, but you can bet if they draft it’s because cannon fodder is needed.
if they draft it’s because cannon fodder is needed.
That’s a big if, as you noted US hasn’t drafted in forever. But even if they did draft, the US hasn’t used “cannon fodder” tactics for several decades. Their technology is so advanced (and military budget/spending so high) they don’t need to in order to win. Trench warfare ain’t really a thing anymore.
We haven’t drafted in 50 years. That’s nothing
I’m catching a vibe you didn’t read the initial comment you posted to.
Yeah — seems like they just want to test people
It should be automatic, and it is now. Why did I have to worry about it 40-years ago? Now? Now worries, done deal. Nothing has changed.
Of course lemmy thinks that serving means you’re on the front lines as a grunt with an M4.
Might as well be. Giving a gun to a murderer is as bad as pulling the trigger, and that’s what supply officers do. Mechanics fix killing machines. Cooks feed killers while they’re off killing. The military is a machine, and every cog in that machine is a murderer.
It was not automatic so rich people can avoid it. I have never heard of someone facing criminal charges for failing to register. I have heard that failing to register can impact eligibility for college financial aid and scholarships.
I have heard that failing to register can impact eligibility for college financial aid and scholarships.
And this is why I hate the fucking neoliberals so much. As bad as the conservatives are they don’t expect me to agree with them, they just want my money. Neoliberalism demands that you not only pay a shit ton of money for student loan debt that you also internalize that you deserve to because you were privileged. They have developed economic original sin
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Idk about your state, but mine basically forces you to register for the selective services to even get a license/learner’s permit
§ 46.2-221.1. Registration with Selective Service required for issuance of learner’s permits, driver’s licenses, commercial driver’s licenses, and special identification cards to certain applicants.
A. Every male applicant for a learner’s permit, driver’s license, commercial driver’s license, special identification card, or renewal of any such permit, license, or card who is less than twenty-six years old and is either a citizen of the United States or an immigrant shall, at the time of his application, be registered in compliance with the requirement of section 3 of the Military Selective Service Act, 50 U.S.C. § 3801 et seq
I’m not male but I did register for the draft when I turned 18. I remember doing it on my taxes as weird as that sounds.
Naw I’m good, thanks.
I was given a draft card with my financial aid package for undergrad.
Applying for FAFSA was a required part of the application process for public universities and most private ones, meaning that nearly all amabs applying for college were automatically enrolled by this process…
until they simplified FAFSA in 2020, which I just learned about when acquiring the link above as a citation.
This bill would reinstate and expand automatic enrollment to amabs who don’t need FAFSA or who don’t want to go to college.
So they are trying to change the conditions for automatic enrollment from “has a penis and wants to go to college” (precovid) to just “has a penis”.
United States of Israel
You’re already legally required to manually register with the selective service if you are male and you turn 18.
Why not just introduce legislation to end that requirement altogether.
Don’t give them ideas.
Oh no… war is happening…
Just tell them that you have bone spurs
AFAIK this is only required if you apply for financial aid for college.
It is required your all males. That said, you will generally only have an issue when applying for financial aid or if you want to work for the federal government.
When I applied for a license at 16 back in 2006-esk time(born in 89) it was required to sign up to acquire one. 2 years before being legally allowed to vote
That’s transphobic. Trans women shouldn’t have to sign up for the draft.
And sexist.
yeah, it sucks. heres a good essay on that issue
If I were an American I’d be calling their office and saying I can’t fill out their form, and appearing in court to defend my violation of the law on the grounds that it’s impossible to legally follow. Lying about my sex on a government form would be illegal, and I don’t want to break the law.
Ayy, shout out Alyssa Rosenzweig! They’re doing great work on M1 graphics drivers.
As an aside, my parents kept me out of the “the system” for most of my youth so I missed my deadline, I never knew it existed.
This made me ineligible for some benefits like federal loans and other programs. I wrote to Selective Service with a notarized letter that my failure to register was truly an oversight and they sent me a waiver and cleared my status.
Automatic draft, but notvoter registration…
Just because the politicians want to grab you out of your life and use you as cannon fodder doesn’t mean they want to actually be as accountable to you as they’re supposed to.
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Politicians voting for mandatory draft should be on the frontline. Pieces of shit.
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Because we are expendable.
Why don’t presidents fight the wars?
Automatic registration for Selective Services, not automatic draft. That’s very different. This is actually helpful in keeping people out of prison or getting fined for not registering.
But yes, this absolutely proves that they could automatically register people to vote with no designated party affiliation.
As a European I have always been confused when Americans talk about “voter registration”. The way it works in my country is you are legally required to register your residence with the government and that registration is automatically used to determine a voter registry (just filtering by age, citizenship and exclusion due to criminal convictions all of which is information already known to the government). I always just get a letter a few weeks before elections informing me where my polling place is.
In France you have to register to vote as well. It takes about a minute and you can do it online or at the town hall
you are legally required to register your residence with the government
Bit depressing.
Even in the US, you’re legally required to for quite a number of things. The most obvious being driver’s license/ID cards.
The standard is good behavior, not other people.
Also ID cards don’t require it. License’s do.
In my state, the state-issued photo ID cards absolutely do.
Btw it’s insane to exclude people in a supposed democracy based on criminal convictions.
It’s by design, if everyone voted, there would only be a very limited few republikkklowns in office, if any.
It seems that they exclude people wherever the commenter lives too.
Can exclude, not all of them do, I think it has to be a specific part of the sentence (ie not automatic) because some high court ruled that some years ago.
Can exclude, not all of them do Who are “them”?
Who is excluding people where you live and why can they do that? Isn’t it handled centrally by a single governmental body?
Yep. Same. You just go get stamp in passport once, then you just go to voting station with passport. That’s it. Oh, also by default(when you get passport) you get stamp that you live where you lived during filing.
Well you see, in the United States, the way some politicians, specifically ones belonging to a certain very authoritarian political party manage to get elected is by making sure people don’t or can’t vote.
This is often coupled with throwing a huge hissy fit about “voter fraud” which doesn’t actually exist on any remotely meaningful level.
Well, voting fraud is a thing in Russia. Stuffing when one person throws multiple ballots at once, carousel when one persion votes one multiple stations, dead souls(reference to Gogol) where dead or absent people vote and Venedictov’s box - when Sobyanin repeatedly claims that electronic voting results will come immidiately when voting ends, but don’t long after all physical stations reported results.
Comparing Russian elections to US elections may as well be comparing Vichy France elections to US elections. They are quite different beasts.
Maybe, but I am more familiar Russian elections. Personal experience.
Also important note: election fraud != voting fraud. Voting fraud is just one type of election fraud. In Russia most widespread type of election fraud is not registering candidates.
Registering candidates in the US doesn’t matter, I could run for president or any other office and no one would reject my application to be on the ballot, unless I didn’t have enough signatures.
I would be surprised if you’ve ever heard of Vermin Supreme, or any of the other third party candidates for US president, much less the lower offices.
Seems like a pretty good Common Sense legislation really. You already have to register by law so making it automatic would be easier for all of us and avoid anyone getting in trouble for something stupid. I don’t see a downside to this. I would like to see it apply to voting registration too however.
Haha good one…voting registration is not exactly in vogue these days.
Well, voting registration as it’s implemented in America isn’t exactly in vogue. As in “oh, you just need to get an ID to vote from now on.” And people without ID need to do some extra paperwork and the office is open 5 minutes every other week, just go through the door located behind the acid moat and bear traps.
Over here in Finland: Government has a comprehensive record of citizens, they know where everyone lives and who’s eligible to vote. So they send you a letter. “Here’s how to do the advance voting, here’s the polling location you need to go to on election day, Also here’s how to draw the numbers, so this will be less confusing. Just bring this notice card with you. And an ID. If you don’t have an ID, visit the police station and they’ll give you one for free.”
In Italy, you have to travel to whatever city you have residence in to vote. A lot of (mostly progressive) people have to fly across the country to cast their vote, apparently it sucks for them
So people can be automatically registered for the draft, but not automatically registered to vote? Seems like bullshit.
You didn’t think the government would actually do something for you, did you?
I’m for this. Don’t vote for war mongers when you or your kids or grandkids could be drafted for war.
Registration is already required,and has been for decades. This only automates the thing so people aren’t breaking the law. Super simple stuff.
So I’m not sure what your point is?
That I’m pro this. That is the point. I can be pro something that is already the law and be pro things that increase the automation of it.
War monger kids and grandkids finagle indefinite deferments.
Unfortunately there are no non-warmonger candidates in r or d and voting third party is a vote for trump so I guess we’re all fucked amiright
Fuck the draft. Dodge the draft.
If you can dodge a draft, you can dodge a ball
Apparently if you have “bone spurs” it’s enough to get you out, just don’t forget what foot you said you had them in.
Frag your CO before they even ship you out.
Technically, the USA already required you to sign up for the draft right around the time you received your Social Security Card. The draft has not been used since 1973 and earlier. So this basically has no adverse effect. Even if a draft happened all the same people who would have been drafted before will be drafted now.
Trading bodily autonomy for voting isn’t right, especially when half the country is not only exempt but fights any attempt to make it more equal.
Defending only yourself isn’t right, especially when you want all the benefits with none of the costs.
Men are the only ones paying this cost in the US
Again, there hasn’t been a draft in 51 years, all of our current armed forces are volunteers and about a fifth of them are women. If you want to extend the draft that is fine but it sounded more like you were opposed to the draft entirely.
The draft has not been used since 1973 and earlier
One thing I found as I’ve gotten older is that history gets shorter and shorter the older you get.
1973 was so recent bro you have no idea. It was within one human lifetime. That’s really close. That basically just happened.
I don’t really get what point you’re trying to make.
Your sense of time is too short is what’s being said.
I’m sorry I don’t measure recent events in a span of a hundred years.
They’re saying “I’M OLD AND TIME’S MOVING FAST SONNY BOY”
I don’t even think he’s over 69 I think he just wants to say the Draft is some impending doom we should be worried about, but at this point if a draft occurs it will probably be for something pretty important.
If it’s important draft everyone then. Not just the men
Sure, sounds good.
American men are supposed to sign up for the draft when they turn 18, this new bill would make that an automatic process.
I think it’s called selective service
I like how you got downvoted for rehashing 16bit when all they did was repeat exactly the same thing me and the article headline said and still got upvotes.
Yes, it’s called the selective service, but it’s colloquially known as draft and that’s what above was referencing
You’re required to sign up within 30 days of your 18th birthday. You should have (well your parents anyway) a social security card within the first year of your life, strange outliers aside.
It’s still technically a crime knowingly not registering, with a $250k fine, even if it hasn’t been prosecuted in decades.
It also bars you from federal government jobs, many federal programs, and grants. Until 2020, it also barred any federal financial aid for education, but that’s changed now.
You should have a Social Security Number when you are born as a citizen of the USA. You register for your card when you turn 18.
I’ve definitely had my social security card since I was like, 12. Before that, my mom had it. Definitely, 100% did not get it at or around 18
Your parents received your ss card after you were born once your SSN was assigned.
You register for the draft when you register to vote.
Disagree, just make the draft also affect women so it’s not sexist
Good news for you, I guess… this includes making women sign up.
Not what the article said
Are you implying we should blindly accept Yahoo News as a reputable source for all information and disregard everything else?
Can you find a source that says so? I only find sources that say they are not required
Where your source for YOUR claim?
But a village of 50 men and 50 women might be able to survive with 40 of those men dead. It most likely won’t survive with 40 of those women dead.
This is why, when shit is so bad that we’re drafting men to fight, we need to let the women stay home if they choose to.
You can always let immigrants in as long as you win the war
I agree also require everyone to reregister at 65. Maybe grandpa and granma will think next time
“Hmm I really want lower oil prices but having to be drafted and assigned combat roles in the middle east is something I don’t want”
I wish they would institute another draft. Whatever party was behind it would be gone inside of the decade.
