I’ve been looking for a new job as a software developer. The huge majority of job listings I see in my area are hybrid or remote. I just had an introductory phone call with Vizio (which didn’t specify the location type in the job listing). The recruiter told me that the job was fully on-site, which I told her was a deal breaker for me.
It makes me wonder how many other people back out after hearing that the job is on-site. And it makes me wonder why this wasn’t specified in the job description. I assume most people only want hybrid or remote jobs these days, right?
Anyways I was just wondering how many of you guys apply for on-site IT jobs? Hybrid is so much better, I don’t know why people would apply for on-site jobs unless they have no other options.
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I don’t want to bring work into my home, plus I like meeting people. The only problem is the commute.
People want to be paid. Period. Anyone who tells you they won’t take a job because it’s not remote is a liar. Either that or they are privately wealthy and can afford to not work until their unicorn job appears.
lol ok boomer
When I was looking for a new job a couple years ago I turned down a lot of on-site and hybrid job for the sole reason that they weren’t fully remote. Some of the jobs actually interested me and I would have loved to take at the time. And I can assure you I am far from wealthy.
Working from home I get to see my wife during the day, play with my son whenever I want, make my own lunch in my kitchen, water my garden during the day, work outside if I want to.
The peace of mind that it brings me is worth $400k. That’s the minimum I would take to go into the office no more than 30 minutes away once a week at most.
I know that’s unrealistic but so is making employees go into the office for something they’re fully capable of doing at home.
You are just a liar bud. If nothing else you are lying to yourself.
If you were out of work and were offered an office position you would take it. The fact that you have a family makes it even more certain.
Don’t misunderstand my comment. I never said you have to like the job or even keep it. If you were out of work you would accept the position until you found a better offer. You don’t stay jobless when you have no money.
Obviously when you have a job you would pass on a job that doesn’t meet your expectations, that’s common sense. My comment was meant more towards being on the hunt while unemployed. Even still if the money was right I guarantee you would take an office job. Your wife wouldn’t let you turn it down. Money talks and people that want to pretend they are above it are lying to themselves.
If I wan unemployed and had no savings and no other job offers, of course I would take whatever job I could get. I hear the market is shit right now but still, it was never that hard to find a remote job if you’re qualified at least as a software dev.
Also my wife would let me turn down whatever job if it didn’t feel right as long as we’re covered. I turned down a job for ~60% more pay that would’ve required 2-3 days in the office about 40 minutes away for my current job that’s fully remote and let’s me make my own hours. I spent a couple nights working on my couch watching movies and working last week so I could take Friday off with full pay and go to a water park.
You cannot replace that freedom and extra time.
Although there are circumstances that could make me consider going into an office, they would have to be dier.
I work with a few who prefer the office over work from home. I think they need a way to escape the house/wife/kids and the office is the only quiet place they have to work.
I have only ever worked on-site jobs, so I am very used to it. The main plus for me is interacting with my co-workers. You run into the occasional jerk or someone having a bad day, but usually it is a great way to learn new things and gain different perspectives.
I work with a few who prefer the office over work from home.
It does allow for a more clean break between work and non-work mindset.
I find it helps maintain a more healthy work-life balance.
Plus, I work on hardware, so it’s not like I can do that remotely most of the time anyway.
I dont know if I agree with the work life balance.
Shower, groom, dress and commute starting at 6.30am, work 8.30–5.30 and commute to 6.30/7
or work 8.45-5.15ish and maybe spend an extra hour or two coupla times a week?
Huge difference.
My team moved to fully remote a month ago. I’m loving it so far.
Getting to see my little girl throughout my day makes me feel like I’m not missing out on watching her grow up.
I think I may be the only person on the face of the earth with no preference on this. My commute is immaterial, the office about 2k away, working from home is kind of a drag but I don’t have to get dressed and can keep the household going (which is part of why it’s a drag) online meetings suck even more than in person meetings, otherwise fine to work remotely. So when we were working from home, I was fine with it, then hybrid I thought would be the worst of all, no, it was fine. Now they say come in at least 3 days, I am going to put away the home workstation and just work at the office, reclaim the space at home, that’s fine too. It’s pretty much the same job either way.
I enjoy office work more than wfh because I genuinely like the people I work with and I think we riff off each other way better in person
In my team, 2 out 15 people come to the office regularly, because they prefer the separation of work from free time.
I can definitely see some benefits from being on-site. You do occasionally just run into people, who can tell you really useful things for your job. And it’s definitely harder to keep track of what my wider team is working on, since we’ve gone mostly remote.
But those benefits just as well evaporate when “on-site” becomes two or more locations. I’m not going to run into someone who’s in a different office in a different city.
If I have to actively work together with people from different locations, I will also be wearing headphones all day, not able to socialize with the people around me. That makes it rather pointless to go into the office.And yeah, just the flexibility of being at home is really useful. I can take a break from work to load my washing machine. I can sleep until 5 minutes before my first meeting. Or I can walk to the store in the morning, when it’s still cool outside.
So yeah, personally, I certainly wouldn’t go back to a fully on-site job, unless it’s somehow the best job in the world in other ways.There is one reason I think onsite works, and that’s for relocation.
If you are from the US and you want to move to the UK, how do you intend to move via work if your work is remote?
I love remote work, but I’ve not heard a rebuttal for this other than “don’t let foreigners move here” or “let’s let people move based on their level of education”.
It’s entirely possible that people can work remote but still relocate to an area where the company has a presence. For example, they may not be set up to pay taxes in a certain jurisdiction. For example, my company could not hire Canadian residents until we had a legal entity in Canada. Thankfully we bought a cabadieb firm.
Why would a company decide to grant you a working visa when you will primarily be remote? Furthermore, why would the government grant you a visa when you could, in theory, work from your own country?
As I said, they may not have support to pay or provide benefits in the area where they live. So perhaps you need to move to a different state or country but can still work remote. E.g. Maybe I take a remote job with a company in the UK but I decide to live in Glasgow instead of London.
It makes me wonder how many other people back out after hearing that the job is on-site. And it makes me wonder why this wasn’t specified in the job description
They’re trying not to get filtered by having it listed as on site up front, and banking on people saying “well, I’m already foot in the door i guess i could settle” once the interview process starts.
Which is already a red flag right there. Too bad there are no real consequences for their attempting to lie & cheat their way towards finding someone willing to put up with their BS, and at this point I don’t mean the on-site factor that is perhaps a legit need that they may have. It’s just how capitalism works, except that they’d really rather it work for rather than against them…:-(
My dad is the only human being I know that likes his on-site IT job, but that’s probably because he’s getting away from the miserable woman he married for a few hours a day.
I was in that boat for a bit but it was my mentally ill adult child that I needed a break from.
Different boat. You didn’t choose that. Best wishes!
All good!
I run a development department, and nobody who reports to me comes to the office. We have been 100% remote since 2020… much to the chagrin of HR. Others in IT come in, but no developers. I see no reason to change it either. I question why I even come in most days.
Without looking it up, I don’t know how many people I’ve interviewed over the last 4 years, but there’s been a few. I’ve only had one person who indicated he wanted to be in an office. Every other person wants fully remote. The most common comment I’ve heard from people is saying they will settle for hybrid if full-remote isn’t available.
There’s some value to having people work together in-person, but I’d rather give my teams the flexibility to choose for themselves rather than force it.
I prefer to work in the office.
Lower utility bills for me. What little I spend in gas, yeah it’s a no brainier.
Also as the chair/desk/etc wears out, the company pays for it. It’s not like they give me the difference if I work from home.
My only complaint is led lights. Companies don’t understand what they are doing when they buy the lights.
What’s wrong with LED lights?
Most companies put in lights that run at 5000 kelvin. So they appear to be white or even slightly blue in color. It’s hard on the eyes.
3500 or 3000 Kelvin would be more natural light.
Plus most of them have to slow of a refresh. So I see a flicker. Think a strobe light and move your hand in front of your eyes. That shudder or screen door effect that you would see. That’s what I see when I’m around led lights.
Most companies refuse to invest in better lights.
Aren’t fluorescent bulbs the ones that flicker?
I agree about the color temperature.
Depends on how sensitive your eyes are. There are people that will pick it up in led. More people then you realize. There was quite a thread about it in lemmy a while back.
Better quality led lights will have less of a problem, but I’ve yet to find one that fixes the issue.
Aren’t fluorescent bulbs the ones that flicker?
Yes, but so do cheap LEDs (or more specifically LEDs with poorly designed drivers/power supplies)
I’ve been fully onsite basically the whole time, including during the pandemic, for me it’s been fine. Gets me out of my tiny studio apartment and keeps my work life at work. Also free A/C / heating at work.
The commute is also part of that decision making - for me the commute is a long walk outside to/from work every day. All that walking around outside sort of levels me out mentally & gets rid of any stress I had, not to mention the exercise.
My company went remote first in April 2020. Even if I left here, there’s no way in hell I’m going back to an office.
It really depends on where the office is in relation to your home.
Before covid and going WFH, the office was only 5 miles away on roads with no traffic. I would go back to this, no problem. Just enough to keep you on a schedule and get out of the house.
The biggest benefit of an office is that when you leave, you are gone until tomorrow.
When everyone is WFH, you never completely leave the office. I know boundaries, but in many cases, the lines can get a bit fuzzy.
When Im done with workmy work vomputer is powered off, if they want me at the office I told my manager I expect a 20K raise and free parking.
my work [computer] is powered off[;]
That’s the way. KVM switch if you multi-use the space. Mine has USB for sound so it’s the same sound setup.
the office was only 5 miles away […] enough to keep you on a schedule and get out of the house.
The new building where I live has wework spaces. I can rent on 5 and live on 20 and it’s an elevator ride if I want to work in the glass cube farm or open petri dish. But nooooo, we got this place for the AC and extra bedroom to write off and my cat’s sleeping on the desk as we speak like a sloppy floofy hobo so … nooooo.
Full remote all the way.
Demand that in your contracts so you have flexibility. Then it’s a choice not an obligation to come to the office.
I guess I’m rare in that I like working in an office. My house is for relaxing and enjoying my time, so the few times I did WFH I really just want to curl up on the couch instead of work.
You’re talking specifically about software based IT jobs.
Those of us who deal with the hardware have always been and will always be on-site and hands on.
