If they had ONE more gun or ONE more officer they could have saved ALL those kids! Which is why we need to take MORE money out of Education and INTO Police Officers Bank Accounts!
Cops not being willing to defend you or your kids is another great reason to arm yourself.
Unironically, if we had 376 armed drag queens and furries instead, not nearly as many children would have died.
I feel like the armed drag queens would have absolutely handled the situation expediently. Most I know adore children and have to be brave by default to publicly go against society in such a typically colorful fashion.
Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.
There’s no way that’d ever be justifiable, but what’s their excuse?
Probably something about free school lunches or litter boxes.
The fucking litter boxes. Was that meme planted so we could identify which of our friends and neighbors went off the deep end?
I’m no conspiracist, but… If I were a malicious—perhaps foreign—power and I saw how well that kind of fake news spread and how much staying power it had, despite it being totally far-fetched, and yet easily-verifiable, I’d be absolutely fucking giddy.
It would be the surest sign that I could now spread any bit of disinformation, particularly anything not easily-verifiable, and absolutely tear the country apart.
They are, and have been doing that leading up to, and during Trump’s presidency.
It really speaks to the issue of how many people get their news: secondhand from their family members who read a story (or listened to fox “news”), misunderstood some of it, then injected further biases while getting some of the facts wrong (purposefully or accidentally).
It seriously stresses me out how many people in my community have taken that seriously. In my own family, even. It is indeed one of the many possible indications of someone to whom I don’t want to give my time.
Nooooo my cousin’s friend in Memphis told her it was true!
From one report, they didn’t know who was in charge because there were State and local units. So they did nothing while some in charge waited to hear who should be giving the orders. At least that’s how I remember it.
Right because that can all be excused away with “policy issues” that leave nobody actually accountable and spits in the face of common sense. “I didn’t try to take down the shooter because I didn’t have anyone to tell me that’s why we were there in the first place”
You’re talking about people who worship authority. Critical thinkers and independent personalities are not welcomed or tolerated in law enforcement or the military. These people literally need to be told what to think, and what to do.
I’m not saying that it was a good excuse, just that it was used.
IIRC, they even had a shooter drill prior to the massacre, but that obviously didn’t help.
Sounds to me like the shooter was in charge.
100%, all the cops did was prevent parents from rescuing their children and give the shooter time to kill
They knew exactly what a .223 round does to the human body.
It would have made the coward cops look bad
Non-peaceful demonstrators
Because it’s a group of narcissists. They were too worried about themselves. None of them had the courage to say “I’m willing to not go home tonight so these kids can.”
Actually I’d bet that a bunch said that, but didn’t actually do anything about it.
This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can’t storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren’t actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn’t have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these “hard asses” to make.
I can’t remember the study but basically the bystander effect is a thing. The more people there are in a group, the more likely it is that no one will do anything because everyone will assume that someone else will do something.
This isn’t to excuse officers because they are specifically trained that they are that someone. The fact that they were held back from entering is willful, malicious, and negligent.
The fact that the officers actually complied instead of disobeying orders especially when seconds turned to minutes, is cowardice.
And a reminder that I believe the police chief and mayor of the town was reelected by the town.
They analyzed the trolley problem, they chose to sacrifice the few for the many.
A coward is not the same thing as a narcissist.
One can be both, however.
Final proof that more guns in our schools will not keep our kids safe.
What does the issue of the inaction of law enforcement have to do with the idea of “guns in our schools” (presumably this is inferring armed security or arming other school staff)? I am of the opinion that a lot of these issues could be solved adding armed security to schools. There are quite a number of sensitive locations like that which would benefit from that sort of security, imo.
Cops refuse to show up on my methhead neighbors - they have weapons. But when my (then) husband wanted to evict my little unarmed 5’3” butt from the house I’d lived in for the past seven years, after physically beating me to the point I wasn’t really cogent, they sent a whole riot squad to pick me up.
I’m not a native English speaker, but should it be called “anniversary”? I thought it’s only for something to be celebrate?
I find that title to be wholly innaccurate.
There were also women on the force, so it was 376 boys and girls in blue sat around and let 19 kids and 2 teachers die.
Well, 375. There was that one asshole who shouted “Do you need our help?” to which a hiding child responded “Yes we need help!” and was subsequently shot by the gunman
That person actively caused a child to die.
boys and girls in blue
How about we clarify that as: little boys and little girls in blue.
Altho TBF, women in blue are typically at the bottom of the chain, and almost certainly deserve the least amount of critique here, whilst the highest ranking dudes unquestionably deserve all the shit in the world for directly ordering their forces not to make any meaningful attempt.
And it was a civilian woman who ran in and got her kid. She would’ve died trying, if unsuccessful. More balls than any of the male officers. They should make her a statue.
Right on.
Now this is just personal anecdote-- but one thing I’ve always been pretty surprised by (as a person with fairly severe health issues, haha not sure how that totally influences thigns) is how, when there’s a local emergency, the adrenaline just hits me and I spring in to action (as much as I can) to help out.
Par example, three times now I’ve survived bad fires that way, and after comparing notes with an old friend over Uvalde, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that both of us felt the same way-- that we wouldn’t have been able to look ourselves in the mirror if we hadn’t made our best attempt to save the kids.
Seriously, how do these BLUE people look at themselves in the mirror for either not doing their best that day, or on a national scale, for enabling this awful betrayal of public trust?
Because police in the US exist to protect the rich and their property, and to funnel “those people” into for-profit prisons. They don’t give two shits about you, your family, or anything except for their pensions.
Their pronouns are cop/cops (or pig/pigs), so their gender should be irrelevant in this case.
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Oh, and that other cop who was going to try to open the unlocked classroom door but was then told to go patrol the rest of the school
The only reason they even started evacuating was because one of them opened a classroom and saw it was full
He should’ve disobeyed orders and gone in and saved them.
Before anyone says that it’s easy to say they would have done while behind a keyboard, cops were preventing bystanders from going in to recuse the kids.
You couldn’t have picked a worse, cop apologist article to quote from.
I didn’t bother reading it. It’s an old story that most of us have heard and just needed a reminder of.
edit: also, i feel so confident in the truth of the story that a Pro Cop bias story will still make the cops look shitty because the hard facts are
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This guy choose to follow orders over “duty.”
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This guy choose to follow orders over saving innocent lives.
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This guy choose to follow orders over saving his wife’s life.
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LOL that always cracks me up.
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The punisher was a vigilante. He’s not a caricature someone charged with enforcing the law should look up to, but telling that they do.
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The Punisher regularly killed corrupt cops.
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A: Marvel saw fit to publish a comic book in which Frank Castle tells cops to stop using his logo. B: now that the guy with a Punisher lock screen has experienced loss, he may step up his war-on-crime game.
You give cops, let alone the general public too much credit in the Media Literacy department.
Also that one guy was busy drinking water from the fountain
“do you need help?”
“Nah we’re good, call back next week maybe”
What kind of idiotic ass fucking question was that?
We need more guns in schools and less cops. An armed teacher would at least try.
Great idea. The school can set up a firing range with tiny silhouettes in the gym for teachers to practice putting down a little child. We’ll just add “marksman” on top of the other responsibilities they’re already underpaid for.
You jest but schools here used to have shooting teams back before the school shootings started. Once they started the teams quickly got disbanded.
Rifles with live ammunition? Yeah that does seem misguided in retrospect. Not as misguided as handguns in the classrooms IMO, but yeah, definitely not going to fly in these troubled times.
Honestly it was fine, that was before the shootings started. But once they did start they passed a federal law prohibiting guns on school campus and effectively ended the teams, which many did before anyway because “what if…” not that they were a problem.
An armed teacher would be the first target.
If they’re carrying handguns eventually there will be a school shooting that starts by a child grabbing one of those.
Teachers are already underpaid and overworked.
Addressing the fact that the US have a worrying fetish for firearms isn’t on the agenda, is it? No, let’s give guns to teachers.
Did they still not burn down that police station?
Want to?
More than anything.
Got any equipment? I got nada.
No, they reelected the sheriff of course.
Please tell me you’re joking!
Seventy-three votes separated Uvalde County Sheriff Ruben Nolasco and challenger Otto Arnim in the Republican Party primary runoff on May 28, 2024. Voters chose the incumbent sheriff for a likely second term with 1,241 votes compared to Arnim’s 1,168. Nolasco won 51.52 percent of the vote, with 2,729 of the more than 17,000 registered voters casting a ballot.
The Uvalde County Democratic Party did not field a candidate for sheriff, unless a write-in candidate files for the post this summer, Nolasco does not have a challenger en route to reelection in November.
How many of those cops are still employed, I wonder…
How many of them are being paid to police schools.
Okay setting aside whether there should be guns in schools, this argument doesn’t make sense. There were, in fact, good guys with guns on the scene. The police prevented them from intervening.
As they should. You don’t want to add random gun owners adding chaos to such a scene.
But this could have been prevented by police actually doing the job they were paid for. If they had taken care of the shooter like they should have, the question of other people wanting to enter to do the police’ job would never have arisen.
As they should.
Huh? I mean if they did their job there would be no need for that, but if not the least they could’ve done is not to stop people who wanna do something.
Huh? I mean if they did their job there would be no need for that
That is one part. They should have done their job and taken care of the shooter. Here, they were an unexcusable failure.
But they also should keep anyone else out of this. That was my point.
For what does the yellow square stand?
It’s the grindr logo minus the mask.
I don’t understand this reference. Would you mind explaining?
They’re talking about the yellow square next to Chris Murphy’s username on X in the picture. I have no clue what it stands for either.
Oh. I completely missed that. Thanks for clarifying! I’m still at a loss for what it means, though.
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Tbf if they were outside the classroom, then we lack the data to say “it’s proof more guns inside don’t help.”
I know it’s nitpicking, but also had they done their actual jobs they’re fucking paid to do, but not required to do thanks to Castle Rock V Gonzales and Warren V DC, then the “more guns” would likely have been what killed him instead of “his own gun.”
I understand why the anti self defense crowd wants to use this as fodder for their agenda, but personally this speaks more of the failures of our entire policing system to me. Frankly to me it’s a glaring example of why we need to be able to defend ourselves, the cheesedicks we pay to come help us won’t.
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Yeah lets arm the children! And school teachers!
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BTW you can understand that “outside the classroom” with just minimal intelligence IMO.
Hell yeah that’s what I said! Definitely didn’t say “the cops should have used their guns inside the school to do their fucking job” or anything.
Can I help you learn to read or something? I’ll help sponsor whatever today’s equivalent to Hooked On Phonics is for you if you promise you’ll study this time.
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Your framing of people who are concerned about gun violence as “the anti-self defense crowd” is very disingenuous. No one is anti-self defense.
“Final proof that more guns in you schools will not keep our kids safe” - wasn’t the problem that the guns weren’t in the school, rather they were standing in front of it?
