I recently moved to California. Before i moved, people asked me “why are you moving there, its so bad?”. Now that I’m here, i understand it less. The state is beautiful. There is so much to do.
I know the cost of living is high, and people think the gun control laws are ridiculous (I actually think they are reasonable, for the most part). There is a guy I work with here that says “the policies are dumb” but can’t give me a solid answer on what is so bad about it.
So, what is it that California does (policy-wise) that people hate so much?
The problem with California is that it’s in the USA. A country with many problems. Compared to other developed countries, anywhere inside the USA is bad.
What part of CA did you move to? I moved here a few years ago and love it. The weather is great (depending on where you live of course - coast is always temperate) and I’ve traveled to most of the regions in the state and they all have something unique and amazing to offer.
The fact that I don’t fear my personal rights getting stripped T the federal level as much is because California does so much in the way of protecting and bettering our lives here.
As a tourist from Canada, my wife and I drove through parts of the US for about three weeks in 2018, and we absolutely hated California. It was our least favourite part of the trip. It is clear that LA is struggling with massive homelessness. The roads were the worst ones we encountered on our road trip. The beaches were littered with garbage, to an amount that we just found disgusting. They were also incredibly overcrowded, though that is what happens in heavily populated places. We went to Disneyland, and that was nice. However, we did cut our California stay short and moved on.
Now, I don’t have many places to compare California to, as we were only in about four states. However, we have travelled extensively in Canada, where we have been to most of the provinces. We enjoyed the states and provinces we have visited. However, California is definitely in our no-no zone for vacations.
Again, this is a tourist perspective. I do not really know what it’s like to live there.
I visited California a few times, and LA is not a great tourist destination imo. But other parts of California is beautiful
Any Canadian in driving distance of California has access to better scenery in their own country.
You visited the worst parts. No wonder.
Try Yosemite, Oakhurst, Morro Bay, or Monterey.
That sort of self-gratifying nonsense only works if the target is more successful than you.
Using it against a target that is less successful than you would be picking on people who can’t defend themselves.
I’m not sure how this hasn’t been mentioned yet but a lot of the Midwest doesn’t like California because it feels like there’s a migration of californians who have been priced out of California moving into the Midwest who both bring their left leaning policies into right leaning areas and buy up so much property it drives housing even higher.
It’s more that a lot of people move out from California and trash-talk it to anyone who will listen. This happens with everywhere, but because CA is so populous it has more people doing this than other places.
Though, IMO, the weather sounds terrible to me.
The weather is one of the largest reasons people migrate to california.
Even if your homeless, its of the few states where you could be outside year round and not die due to the more extreme points of weather that you would experience in mamy other states
Exactly. I prefer more variety in my weather. I need the highs and the lows, the sun and the snows, the days when wind blows, y’know?
Yeah, I joke that California does have four seasons - they’re just Summer, Wildfire, and Mudslide. Possible Earthquake to shake things up.
But to be fair, it is a long state. SoCal gets most of the attention, but NorCal gets some great seasons as you get closer to the PNW
the weather where? it’s a big state, with quite a lot of variation. there’s a huge difference between san francisco, bakersfield, and truckee. i think most people could find some local weather to hate, but i suspect most people can also find somewhere to appreciate. unless you just want tropics or arctics or something similarly extreme i guess.
I like arid and cool best, but what I really value in my weather is variety and seasonality.
you want seasons, we’ve got seasons:
that’s an old image though, we’re actually in summer now.
Do you think all of California is Death Valley, or what?
That’s such a nonsensical statement to make about a state the size of California. Just the 3 main coastal cities have vastly different climates, and that’s not even getting into the highly varied ecosystems found inland. Are you thinking specifically about the weather in the LA area?
Might be Fresno area.
Who would ever move to California for the weather, I mean have you looked the 5 day forecast for death valley?
LA weather sounds bad, heat and smog.
SanFran weather sounds bad, always the same temperature.
The northern part sounds bad, too much rain.
All of California has a pronouced dry summer with low humidity, no thanks.
Sorry, but that’s just not true. California’s coastal areas are hugely impacted by moisture blowing in from the Pacific. San Francisco’s historical average humidity in August is above 60% and the temperature rarely goes about 80.
If it’s rainfall you want, just go a bit further north. Coastal Northern California receives about as much annual precipitation as Seattle. You can find basically any climate you could want in the state – trying to make a blanket statement is pointless.
California is disliked by other US states for the same reason other countries might not like the US. It gets a disproportionate level of exposure and then you go there and it becomes a “don’t meet your heroes” type of situation.
Uh… you might want to Google “why might another country hate america”…
I’m sure different people will have their own reasons. But for the most part, I know it’s a cultural intrusion thing. Very few countries have a majority of people saying they like the American media and American style of democracy being coaxed on them.
… no. Okay just. Here’s some good links for you to get started with.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
That’s a part of what I meant. It’s all within the projection umbrella I was talking about.
No. War crimes. Read a book.
You say that like I didn’t just imply I was agreeing with you.
projection umbrella
There is no ‘projection’. America went out in to the rest of the world, tortured, killed, murdered people and broke entire countries for americas gains. People hate america for the actions it took against them.
you need to understand that it’s not some twisted form of jealously or annoyance and that america did serious evils in the world that people hate it for.
Generally when the us is hated it is intruding against democratic forces
That’s what I said.
Politicals, wokeness, crime, shit on the roads, heat, shoplifting, crazy people, etc.
So, what is it that California does (policy-wise) that people hate so much?
Consider the possibility that the “hate” is not an opinion being reached in good faith.
Same reason people don’t like Florida. Lots of targeted negative media coverage. Conservatives think California is a shithole where homeless people are everywhere and people don’t get arrested for robbing a store at gunpoint. Non-conservatives think Florida is full of hard-core Trumpers who want to ban all gay people from existing and is like a redneck 1984.
Reality is more nuanced. Both states are very large populations with a diverse makeup. But nuance is hard to convey in headlines. I personally live in Florida and love it, even though I hate DeSantis with a passion. The people here make up for the shitty politics. And the pendulum will inevitably swing back to the other side.
California is the target of conservative fear mongering.
Same with Chicago
Alley ways!? Ahh! I’m scared!
Which is silly considering how many conservatives there are there. The current speaker of the House is from California.
I was told California had a “one party system”, have I been lied to? 😱
Doesn’t matter. Cali and NYC are the epitome of librul chaos and if those places aren’t made out to be smoldering shitholes with 2.7 homeless people to every citizen the gullible nitwit voluntarily angry dopes in the party (most of them) might actually vote in their best interests
Another “fun” fact. More people in California voted for Trump than in any other state.
California is cool, I just don’t like LA. It’s dirty, crowded, has traffic 24/7, and everything is expensive just to name a few reasons.
Granted i only spent 10 days there in March last year (our air bnb was in Silverlake), but I fuckin loved it. Not so much Downtown, didn’t spend any time in Hollywood either.
California is a garden of Eden
A paradise to live in or see
But believe it or not, you won’t find it so hot
If you ain’t got the do re miWoody Guthrie, “Do Re Mi”
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From my small sample size experience as a customer service rep for an internet and cable TV company, California customers are some of the most obnoxious ever. People in LA seem like some of the angriest people ever. The slightest inconvenience and it’s like you killed their fucking dog.
Sit in LA traffic for two hours and you’ll get it… It’s an awful place. The Decemberists described it as “the oceans gargled vomit on the shore.” So far, that’s the best description I’ve heard.
LA people are not right in the head. The rest of California is nothing like that place.
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It’s funny, my NYC customers are usually pretty chill.
They don’t have to drive.
Working 3½ jobs to just barely pay rent will do that to you.
I live in Colorado and there’s a lot of California hate here. I don’t feel this way but I know some is directed at the real estate investors who have been buying up homes and making the Denver housing market even worse. During the pandemic so many people lost out on houses to cash deals so they started working with these shady companies that would front you a cash offer for a % of the sale, then you’d just get a loan.
