Great stuff! Disappointing that the article didn’t mention how they managed to get on the tarmac.
There’s usually nothing more than a chain-link fence.
Yeah, but you get instantly get 5 stars
Wait until they find out how much it’s going to cost them to repaint the jets that they vandalized.
Oh no!
Anyway…
Can’t squeeze blood from a stone. The cost to repaint those jets is going to be a lot more than they can ever recoup from the activists.
It’s apparently water soluable so the paint should come off easily. The expensive part is going to be cleaning the engines and external instruments if they need to be cleaned and reccalibrated or recertified. The courts have been handing out serious sentences running into the multiple years so they may have that coming as well.
I’m not aware of any committed activist that was ever deterred by a prison sentence. But they are usually pretty poor so my original point stands.
Well at least they won’t have to worry about feeding, clothing, and housing themselves for a while.
Lol yeah
Edit to add - I meant to add, and they’ll find a whole bunch of disaffected people ripe for recruiting to a direct action cause. But my ADHD brain forgot. :(
Who cares about that, the rich can foot the bill.
They will and they won’t care. It will do nothing to change anyone’s mind but will harden public opinion against the extremists.
I don’t think the general public cares about Taylor Swift needing to get her jet re-painted. Only Swifties will care.
No, but the public have shown that they are frustrated with the extremists and the courts have handed down multi-year sentences of incarceration in a growing number of cases. The public react with revulsion to extremists.
I think that’s true for Stone Henge, the Mona Lisa, gluing themselves to roads, etc.
I think targeting high profile extremely wealthy people is different and will be much more effective. I guess time will tell.
Perhaps. With the near iron grip that the wealthy have on most governments I don’t expect anything to change because a few people glued themselves to the road or threw a bit of paint on some rich assholes jets.
I’m getting more and more sure - you’re just making things up claiming to know what the “public” thinks. Did you call up 1800 British people to know this or are you just assuming everyone thinks like you do?
No, you’re probably right. They might have convinced someone.
We should be extreme in our opposition to the climate disaster currently unfolding. The heat is extreme, the hurricanes extreme, the drought is extreme, the crop failures are extreme and the dead and dying ecosystems are extreme.
We the public have been politely asking for climate solutions for decades while the extremist oil and gas companies hid the extent of their knowledge from us and used lies to convince half the population nothing is wrong. Even now, the oil and gas lobby lie and plan for expansion into poorer countries where western regulations can’t touch touch them. They’ll burn every drop, take every dollar, and Fuck over everything in doing it.
So you know what? When I see these people throwing paint on things, gluing themselves down, and causing tension I say good, good for them, be extreme. These protestors have convinced me over the last couple of years with these acts and nothing they’ve done is anywhere near as extreme as climate change.
Climate change is killing people, right now, probably thousands every year, that’s fucking extreme and its getting worse. These protestors threw paint on objects.
very well written
Maybe it will work. I guess we’ll see if they can convince the people who control the governemnt, military, and police that a few people glued to the road should change their unchecked avarice.
This isn’t “a few people glued to a road,” this is a threat. “Fix society, or tensions will escalate.”
The way you keep minimizing these efforts tell me you either don’t really understand protests or are actively trying to make them seem trivial.
I saw you complaining earlier about them “shoving moral superiority down your throat,” which is curious. It’s like your biggest problem with them is just that you have to hear about it.
I’m sure your shed is nice. We need other people to build nice sheds.
Well it would help an awful lot for so called moderate allies to stop whinging over the methods and start focusing on the message. Everyone who pours into a comment section to opine over their “agreeing with the cause, but not the act of protest” is carrying water for the oil companies. It’s these people who help establish and maintain the permission structure for the out of hand dismissal of climate protests.
We should be uncomfortable with protests, people should be made to feel discomfort, tension, and cognitive dissonance. These things work to end injustice better than all the polite ignorable protests that have ever happened.
Why is it that you keep referring to them as extremists? You seem bad faith as fuck all over this post.
They believe that their actions are justified because they believe that they are morally superior. They are self-absolving. That is the hallmark of extremists of all types.
That’s why.
Why do you think that about them? Is that based on anything that’s actually in reality?
The public who would otherwise care so much about this nightmare that we keep barrelling towards… people who use that “frustration with extremists” are just justifying to themselves what they would have done anyway, which is nothing.
Damn, guess it’s better to let the environment collapse and our species to go extinct because capitalism and money is more important.
I didn’t say that I disagreed with their goals. I just understand that they did hundreds of thousands of pounds of damage to those jets that will make absolutely zero difference to their carbon footprint and will probably be held financially responsible. A big win for the activists for sure.
Because activists like them are known for rollin’!
Declare bankruptcy and rinse and repeat.
With an ASBO and jail time, without convincing anyone, and hardening public opinion against their cause. A big win for the extremists for sure.
How does this harden public opinion against their cause? This is the type of shit we want to see. There’s a difference between this and inconveniencing those who are commuting to work.
This is the type of shit you want to see, not the public.
Activists doing things activists like to see, won’t motivate many others than the people who already are motivated.
others than the people who already are motivated.
We were all clueless about this at one time. Conversations like this educate people, I think it’s obvious a lot more people will be upset with the emissions of private jets after this, than before the group vandalized.
How can you be sure they don’t convince anyone? I’m not sure, but I think you made that up - as it matches what you feel
Do you think it convinced the motorists who have beaten them and dragged them off the road by their hair? Or the people responsible for the preservation of Stone Henge? Or the wealthy people whose jets they painted? I can’t prove a negative, of course, or religion would be gone but you may be right, they may have convinced someone.
At least they tried, instead of just discussing the form of protest on the internet. History will prove them right.
Damn I was literally going to make this exact comment but sarcastically because it’s stupid. Thank you for saving me the effort!
Actually about 0$ because they always use stuff thats removable with water. Otherwise they would be bankrupt.
Plus trespass at the airport plus cleaning and testing all of the external instrumentation plus…they can really stack it on.
It looks like turmeric
Didn’t they paint the wrong jet?
No.
Literally couldn’t, all private jets are part of the problem.
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Now that girl is hot!
Tfw no direct action GF :(
And that’s how you get people to click on the article
They leveled up today.
See, there you go. Direct impact on people who have an impact, and you made the news.
fuck the swifties.
i thought nkotb or beatles fans were dumb…but swifties are a special kind of dumb. maybe we should spray them.
Why do you have to ruin good things? I dont like taylor swift but if you do what does that have to do with the artist itself. Her music can be good while shes a bad person.
The comment you’re replying to make no mention in the quality of her music. It is purely commenting on the fan’s obsessions. You can like an artistic without being a fanatic.
Yea because its completely reasonable to assault someone because they like someones music a lot?
think of michael jackson. what is it…21 video testemonies of children saying he licked their buttholes? thats why we do not listen to his shit.you cannot seperate the artist from the art.
Then they’re going to just pay some people to clean it off, cost more money, consume more energy. Publicity stunt.
Yes, that’s literally what activism is about.
Like when Ghandi went and made salt, that was the definition of a publicity stunt.
No, activism is about taking part in making a real change. If anyone really wanted to make a real change they’d have to give up their freedom. This doesn’t change anything, carbon emissions will still increase.
Name an activism campaign that worked and you support.
Name an activism campaign that worked and you support.
Here’s a chat GPT response for your boring question:
“One successful activism campaign that I support is the #MeToo movement. The #MeToo movement has brought attention to the prevalence of sexual harassment and assault, encouraged survivors to speak out, and sparked important conversations about consent and gender equality. It has led to increased awareness, policy changes, and accountability for perpetrators in various industries.”
This bro right here is saying that the thing thats missing from the climate movement is a hashtag. Because chatgpt said it no less. I mean, I can’t even…
They’re also saying they support activism so little that they needed chatgpt to come up with an answer for them. Almost like they don’t support any progressive movements, they don’t care about the effectiveness of the methods and they’re just here to attack climate protestors.
This kind of discussion always ruins real progress. Are you a psyop or what’s wrong with you? Genuinely curious.
If YOU want to perform activism by making “real change,” then YOU do that. Not everyone can do every thing. Eg at a protest, you might have front line people and medics, who are both important but do different roles. These people the article is about are pretty good with PR, which makes sense because they are younger and raised with media trends.
That emissions are increasing isn’t their fault, they would increase regardless so may as well go crazy and do what you want in the meantime. Nihilism and all
Finally a great action from those folks!made my day.
Hear me out. Why don’t we spray StoneHenge on the private jets ? one stone at a time, with old fashioned trebuchets
Wait a minute, that doesn’t sound like painting at all!
No one ever said you can’t paint with a trebuchet. Sounds very artistic
Rock-based paint.
rock and stone!
Who builds a stone hedge?
or just eat the rich…
:D
I think this sends a much stronger message than stone henge
Those idiots destroying paintings and monoliths belong behind bars. That won’t convince anyone with even half a brain to think. Just destroys something and makes everyone angry.
Those idiots destroying paintings and monoliths belong behind bars.
If only you were so vitriolic about the fossil fuel execs destroying the entire planet.
But think of the art!!!
/s
yep. I can get behind this one
ThOsE iDiOtS!1!
Says the moron while not even taking 3 seconds to understand what they did and why they did it. Lol
Look how angry everyone gets about art and architecture whilst not even remotely having the same reaction about climate change and what it’s doing to our planet.
I think that’s kinda the commenters point. Morons almost have a chance of connecting a few dots when it’s private jets. Half a step removed, and nope, morons won’t even attempt understanding
I think the point is to ragebait people into reading about it.
An educational campaign doesn’t work.
People get angry when the protests disrupt their day.
Peaceful protests happen literally everyday in the US in nearly every city and hear nothing about them.
The only way it gets visibility is it has to be disruptive, and the only way to get them to read/learn about it is to hook them in. And if Faux News has taught anyone anything, it’s that ragebaiting is fucking effective.
anyone that thinks people will say ‘oh these guys are doing something I feel is stupid, I better learn what they have to say’ has never met a single human in their life.
That’s funny, you realize not everyone will jump to the conclusion it was ‘stupid’ right away? Most will say, “they did what? Why?” Aka curiosity. We learn more. We understand. Then we decide if it’s stupid or not.
Yet that’s pretty much exactly what I did.
Not gonna lie, this was my thought process for some time. But protests aren’t meant to be comfortable.
Destroyed? Let’s talk about that.
As you know, Stonehenge has been standing in the rain for 3,000 years.
Following the industrial revolution, fossil fuel emissions made that acid rain. It attacked every cultural artifact standing outdoors for decades.
I think that the people who did that belong behind bars.
destroying paintings and monoliths
But… they didn’t do either of those things. They threw soup at glass, and for the Stonehenge thing they used washable powder paint. They were publicity stunts with no damage done.
Yeah but it’s a lot harder to paint climate activists as the bad guys when you say things like “they souped our glass and powdered our rocks”, so better to just lie, right?
Ugh I HATE it when my glass gets souped.
Going after a painting that’s behind glass is VERY different to going after the stone henge that has no protective layer, and most importantly of all, has nothing to do with the target of their cause
saying it destroyed the stone henge is a major exaggeration, saying it did no damage is also just as wrong. The English heritage society emphasised that it was only no VISIBLE damage left, however they also said it did cause damage.
It’s just like how you can’t touch walls in caves because any change in the oils and stuff in our skins can cause long term damage even though there’s no immediate visible damage
Hey, just went back to this conversation now that the UNESCO report claims that the highway construction project is putting Stonehenge in real danger. What’s your opinion on that?
How do you think those rocks will fare when the average temperature rises a few degrees?
Do you think the big stones will avoid damage while humans are fighting wars over water?
Are those precious rocks going to be ok when countries near the equator become uninhabitable, and the UK has to violently defend its borders from millions of climate refugees?
Do you think it can still be considered a cultural heritage site after all the humans are dead?
It’s going to be too cold to visit once the Gulf Stream stalls from reduced ocean salinity, and Britain’s climate is more like northern Canada or Alaska.
I never once said I disagree with their message, but doesn’t mean I need to agree with their methods
If their message is that oil is bad and that government should be doing more, they should be targeting oil companies, lobbyists, government officials, companies that have excess waste and chemical use (coke im looking at you)… Not heritage listed stuff that’s mostly maintained by volunteers
If you actually agreed with their message, then I don’t think you would take the time to whinge about the safety of the precious rocks.
No, because I don’t agree with their methods… Just like any extremist group might have a good message but doesn’t mean I agree with them bombing oil pipelines or kidnapping people
Attacking rocks does nothing to progress their cause… Attacking things in the environment doesn’t even line up with their cause of wanting to protect the environment
As long as they stick to actually attacking the companies and groups that actually are the cause of the problems, I would support their methods and as a result, them as a group
They do that too.
If their message was anti whaling and they cut down trees as well as sabotaged boats, would you be “well they attack boats too so that’s fine”?
Ah, I can feel that lemmy is going mainstream.
But they’re…rocks!
So are caves, yet humans can very easily cause damage to them accidentally, let alone deliberately
Goddammit they’re MINERALS, Marie!
Have you ever seen the pictures of the ocean after the gulf oil spill? They never did fix that - they just sprayed chemicals that sunk the oil to the bottom of the gulf, creating a dead zone (with help from agricultural chemical runoff from the Mississippi River). And the people there never did get treated for all their medical issues, even though most of their food comes out of that ocean. That’s also why we need Medicare for all btw - so we can make sure the EPA, CDC, and other government organizations are actually doing their job and people are actually taken care of when something goes wrong.
Hear me out, painting private planes don’t effect 98% of humanity not everyone has an interest in the arts.
Almost as if when you target the problem it sends a better message than doing some random shit.
So close together? Probably not. Look at the comments. everyone is just talking about Stonehenge.
The fact that most comments here seem to be talking about stone henge says otherwise. If not for what happened to stone henge recently, people might not have paid this much attention to this.
Big oil gonna subpoena every upvoter
Do your part to make them waste money
And that’s the kind of protest that people get behind.
