Please indulge a few shower thoughts I had:
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I wouldn’t worry about Lemmy having as many users as reddit in the short term. Success is not just a measure of userbase. A system just needs a critical mass, a minimum number of users, to be self-perpetuating. For a reddit post that has 10k comments, most normal people only read a few dozen comments anyways. You could have half the comments on that post, and frankly the quality might go up, not down. (That said, there are many communities below that minimum critical mass at the moment.)
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Lemmy is now a real alternative. When reddit imploded Lemmy wasn’t fully set up to take advantage of the exodus, so a lot of users came over to the fediverse and gave up right away. There were no phone apps, the user interface was rudimentary, and communities weren’t yet alive. Next time reddit screws up in a high profile way, and they will screw up, the fediverse will be ready.
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Lemmy has way more potential than reddit. Reddit’s leadership has always been incompetent and slow at fixing problems. The fediverse has been very responsive to user feedback in comparison.
Reddit has always had changes that made people want to leave. Removing CSS was the first that comes to mind. Now that lemmy exists it could be seen as a new platform to jump to every time reddit does something dumb or anti user. I have high hopes for lemmy
For me, getting rid of the old reddit design as default was pretty egregious. Usability tanked if I wasn’t logged in.
When i.reddit.com was gone, that did it for me.
By design sadly, to collect that juicy, juicy user data.
The future of Lemmy has nothing to do with R whatsoever.
Lemmy hasn’t gone a day without talking about reddit for a month and a half.
A good many of us are here because of R’s apps no longer working, including myself. It’s been a month and now I don’t even remember using R on my phone tbh. I did mostly use desktop, but I’ve also acclimatised very quickly.
Which is one reason I am confused by the response to Sync. We left because of third party apps getting screwed over but a segment of Lemmy is saying “Yeah, but only foss apps should migrate to Lemmy because, ‘mah foss sensibilities’.”
As a proud and loud member of the FOSS community, I will say this: The FOSS community is cringe as hell and people need to start going back to the root of the movement and remember that we are about CHOICE and FREEDOM.
If you’re judging somebody for using the platform of their choice, FOSS or not, you are the problem.
Lemmy is literally a reddit clone, of course it has lots to do with reddit what are you talking about
If that’s true, thrn Reddit’s explosion in popularity had nothing to do with Digg.
The critical mass of Reddit was many years after the Digg debacle.
Would the critical mass occur if the original wave didn’t join and produce content?
You don’t wish to see it kill off R?
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Not that you might care… but I find that disappointing. :(
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I’m not here to complain about R. I want to see options like T & R die off in favor of these wonderful federated models. It gives us so much better control over cleaving off nazi’s and such, ridding corporate influence on posts, having a voice in the use of ads on us.
R is living in your head rent free.
Just let it go. None of those things are reliant on anything either of those sites does going forward.
So you are ok leaving safe harbours for hate speech? I’d prefer such avenues were extinguished.
I’d rather not because then all the trolls will come here and it will turn into R2.0
As much as I want this to be true, it’s simply patently false.
I agree with you, but I think there’s a level where it is true.
Like Lemmy should grow and develop based on what users are saying and not what Reddit is doing to a degree.
Don’t agree with that guy. He has a glaring conflict of interest.
I disagree. R messing up is how we get more users
No, us generating content and community is how we get users. Reddit’s conduct only creates episodic influxes of users.
As a fairly early Reddit user I’ve seen a lot of change as the website got bigger. I would agree that growth is not necessarily good, there is a minimum size of community to keep content fresh and a maximum size before it loses the personal connection. Right now a lot of the larger Lemmy communities are getting active enough, but Lemmy is lacking the users to support the niche communities. Maybe it is best if Reddit keeps those and the two websites end up with a happy balance for all the types of communities.
The fact most surprises me is that lemmy became a real alternative to Reddit in a bit more than a month. Idk guys, I just love internet
Keep in mind that Lemmy users think Lemmy is a real alternative.
If someone asked me to choose between the two sites, and there was no baggage, Reddit would win hands down. The Reddit user base is huge, meaning even small towns have active subreddits. Here, not so much.
and there was no baggage
And that’s why we both are here I guess.
yup
Next time reddit screws up in a high profile way, and they will screw up, the fediverse will be ready.
And it doesn’t seem entirely impossible that our Elon Musk fanboy Steve will screw up again.
I won’t be surprised to read in the future:
- Reddit Introduces Its Own Version of X’s (Formerly Known as Twitter’s) Blue Checkmark
- Backlash After Reddit Strikes Exclusive Deal to Provide Trainingsdata to OpenAI
- Reddit Introduces Paid Membership Options for Communities
- Something Money Grabbing Reddit Related
I’ve been wondering if the API change was actually a move to prevent anyone but themselves from using Reddit’s data to train AI.
Likely so, though scraping will still yield the data. Maybe they will make scraping harder too.
Maybe that’s why their mobile app and new website sucks lol
Yes, they specifically have said they don’t want AI companies to get their user data for free. What’s interesting is that we as a culture have internalized and accepted the idea that our user-made content is something only tech companies have the right to profit from and fight over.
That’s what I assumed from the beginning: think of the gold rush for generative ai and they are using Reddit data. Actually, it even seems fair to share in the potential (but what about the users who created it all?).
However if that was their intent, they sure screwed it up
That will be when they remove old.reddit
Reddit charges a subscription for people to mod a subreddit.
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I still have the community I moderate ([email protected]) set to mod posts only, because I’m the only mod and don’t want to risk someone posting something bad while I’m not on Lemmy. We really need an approved user feature like Reddit so that vetted community members can also make posts in communities where “anyone can post” isn’t a good option.
That seems like it’d be pretty easy. Basically just like giving someone a moderators role but with extra tier of hierarchy below normal moderator.
Seems like a nice idea TBH … I’m generally all in favour of leaning into lemmy’s ability to create sorta blogging spaces that naturally federate (and therefore are easy to aggregate).
Lemmy and ActivityPub seems to have (nearly) everything to recreate a new blogosphere, but with federation beyond its own border over ActivityPub, comments, voting, aggregation, sorting and search built right in.
Couldn’t you toggle the mod posts only option on and off based on your availability? Maybe make a pinned post explaining it and write in the times it will be available inside that post?
Well said, but I will say reddit felt more like being out in public. So you kept your distance and didn’t really interact, but here feels more like being at someone’s house that you know. At the moment. The federation aspect is a different wrinkle but ultimately will lead to a better experience overall. No ads is a huge bonus!
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Agree! that’s what I’ve been doing: Trying to build critical mass for small communities : fediverse
And updoot! Quick n easy
Also, please don’t bring cringy Reddit lingo here.
If it reaches that mass, it’s going to bring all of it, minus corporate control. But we could still end up with a corporate host hoovering up all the user base anyways, github style. Embrace, Extend, Monetize.
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Says hitler
i joined and am using memmy, both this week. cant see how to post, only can see how to comment.
If you go to the community page, you’ll see a post button along with subscribe and about.
how do i get to the community page? and is that its name? do i look for “community page” or is it called something else? (i chose a random place to ask, its fine if you’re busy or don’t like to answer such basic stuff, i will eventually figure it all out.)
If you tap on the list button at the top left corner, you’ll see list of your subscribed communities. You can tap on any of them to go to that community page. You can also tap on the community name on a post in the main feed and go to that community. Lastly, you can also go to the search page and search for a community and go to its page. Let me know if you’re facing any difficulties.
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Yeah. Ive picked /conservative. Ive been posting a mixture of fluff and actual posts. Early days, but it seems to be picking up speed. Just post, it works!
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Thanks! I hope you successfully build whatever community you’re building too!
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I’d check his post history before engaging. He’s trying to rebuild a spammy, dishonest right wing space in Lemmy.
He’s free to do so, but it’s just going to bring in trolls, bots, bad faith arguments, and extreme posting to sell shit.
I get that it’s inevitable, but let’s be careful what we’re encouraging.
Russian bot farms need some more ukranian drones.
What’s the value of posting “fluff”? If you’re just trying to get engagement for engagement sake, why?
Trying to get engagenent, letting other conservatives know we exist, that sort of thing.
You admit that you’re posting what are essentially lies in order to attract conservatives? Y’all really are just saying the quiet part out loud.
I’ve seen that it’s already gotten invaded, and most posts are mass downvoted.
To me, the smaller userbase is actually a real problem. I’m willing to stick it out and hope it grows. But for over half of the subreddits I subscribe to, the corresponding lemmy communities have 0 posts this last week.
Yes, I don’t need 10k comments on my posts. But memes or mainstream news was never the big value of reddit for me - I can get these anywhere. Instead it is about the niche communities with a few thousand subscribers. And for now, I still have to use reddit for them.
What about now?
Still visiting several subreddits that don’t have corresponding active lemmy communities. Once of them actually has an “official” lemmy community (run by the same mods) but none of the people moved over, so it’s empty,
Yeah the very top post on hot right now has 9 comments lmao.
There is no one here. I mean I love the platform and the apps. I don’t go to Reddit anymore on my phone. But there’s no one here.
If I don’t go to Reddit at least once per day I’m going to miss news and events that are important to me.
Reddit has a lot of international subreddits which don’t really exist here on Lemmy (they have like 10 users and they almost never post).
Reddit has huge lively communities. I’m having a ball here on Lemmy, but I too must check Reddit once a day to know if important stuff happened.
Sure, someone could say I should work on jumpstarting these Lemmy communities, but I’ve only been able to to what I can so far (that is, replying to posts and joining the conversation)
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Yeah the issue is that with large online communities, your largest user group is always going to be that of least engagement.
So users who just read stuff is your biggest group. Then comes users who made an account. Then comes users who up and downvote. And last comes users who post.
It makes it very hard to grow a new social media platform.
If you sort by “active” there should be posts with more comments. The “hot” sorting is not really representative for how active users on lemmy are, since it favours younger posts over older posts with lots of comments. You can read the details of the reasoning here .
I swap between active and hot. Seems to work well
I’ve noticed that “Hot” turns the front page over pretty quickly, which means you see more in your feed, but posts are bumped down before the comments start piling up.
Whenever I’ve posted anything that has made it to the top of Hot, the majority of the comments come in after it has dropped down (which happens after like, 1hr).
Just FYI hot is probably the worst way to browse for news and events, I’ve found top of 6h is far better if you check often, Active if you check every 24 hrs ish.
That’s been my experience as well. I usually do top 6 or top 12.
That’s mostly on the sorting algorithms being slightly fucky wucky. Lemmy has enough activity to satisfy me, but lacks niche communities.
I’m in the same boat, but rather than just going back to Reddit for those communities, I’ve opted to lose those communities, conversations and information entirely. I will not support their platform.
And I resent Reddit for that in a major way. Fuck them.
And for now, I still have to use reddit for them
But you were banned from them right?
Right? That’s why we’re all here?
Firefox + ublock (it has filters that block the “install app” on mobile, but need to be enabled from the settings) is useable.
Yeah, you need people to post and comment to develop a community. I’ve got one community where I post five times a week, but I’ve only had two posts from other people and only one person commented on a post.
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Lack of posts is one thing, but lack of comments is something else. People seem to be engaging with the posts with the like button, but that is all that is happening for now.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
- Lemmy is now a real alternative. When reddit imploded Lemmy wasn’t fully set up to take advantage of the exodus, so a lot of users came over to the fediverse and gave up right away. There were no phone apps, the user interface was rudimentary, and communities weren’t yet alive. Next time reddit screws up in a high profile way, and they will screw up, the fediverse will be ready.
I definitely think having mobile apps is an essential step. I was looking at alternative platforms such as Raddle.me but using a mobile browser was an extra hurdle (similar to using the official Reddit app) that kept me from regularly checking in.
- Lemmy has way more potential than reddit. Reddit’s leadership has always been incompetent and slow at fixing problems. The fediverse has been very responsive to user feedback in comparison.
I could see this causing issues later. We’ve already seen issues arise with some instances using the .ml domain or not being updated immediately.
Defederation is another beast all together. Most of an instance might be fine but a few problematic communities could create problems leading to arguments and, as much as I hate the term, drama.
I definitely think having mobile apps is an essential step. I was looking at alternative platforms such as Raddle.me but using a mobile browser was an extra hurdle (similar to using the official Reddit app) that kept me from regularly checking in.
I agree. Some of the alternatives to Reddit are vehemently against mobile apps (ahem, tildes), so I doubt those will ever take off. Not everybody sits in front of a computer all day. But I think some of those don’t actually want a big userbase, which seems counterproductive for a forum, but whatever.
Lack of an API is what’s keeping me from using kbin, honestly. I know they’re working on it, but Lemmy already had an API long before the Reddit protests started.
I’m using the Artemis app for kbin right now. They have it all ready to ship they just need to tie some stuff together before the main instance kbin.social is upgraded to support the api. The public beta for artemis just came out and has the api features enabled through the “test” instance artemis.camp, which still federates with everyone else. With the pace being made they should be done in the next week or two
I was one of the first batch of beta testers, but being required to join another instance to use the current version of Artemis is not something I’m willing to do at this time.
I agree. Some of the alternatives to Reddit are vehemently against mobile apps (ahem, tildes), so I doubt those will ever take off.
Didn’t the RIF dev just release an app for Tildes?
Yes, there are apps for Tildes, but there isn’t an actual API for developers to use, and the owners of Tildes don’t seem to want them around. I’ve read in multiple places that they believe mobile apps go against everything they stand for.
Fair enough, I didn’t know that.
it’s more that they believe the mobile site should work well enough that an app shouldn’t be needed. also the one person behind tildes is doing it as a side project next to a full-time job (after experimenting with donations in the early days of the site). the fact that there isn’t an api is mainly due to time constraints (and to make sure when there is one it is done properly)
the owners of Tildes don’t seem to want them around. I’ve read in multiple places that they believe mobile apps go against everything they stand for.
It might not be intentional, but you’re spreading misinformation that could be prevented with a quick search.
The (sole) developerbof Tildes specificlly stated that Tildes will have an API and that they don’t want to discourage apps. Their philosophy is just that the official way of visiting Tildes should be the same lightweight website as the desktop. A solution that works on every device. To me, this makes a lot of sense. It fits the philosophy of Tildes, results in less code to maintain and ensures the experience is the same on every device.
Source from the Tildes Documentation:
The site is the main mobile interface, not an app
Tildes is a website. Your phone already has an app for using it—it’s your browser.
Tildes will have a full-featured API, so I definitely don’t want to discourage mobile apps overall, but the primary interface for using the site on mobile should remain as the website. That means that mobile users will get access to updates at exactly the same time as desktop ones, and full f
I stand corrected, but that still doesn’t lead me to believe they really want mobile apps to take off on the platform.
Infiltration… As I’ve moved over from reddit the community feels much more open to discussion rather than comment section filled internal jokes.
We just need Lemmy users who are daywalkers to post links into reddit. Or recreate certain communities here, but bringing over the good and not the toxic. Ama, but maybe amapolitics bringing more hyper local awareness to the masses?
Quality over quantity any day
Lemmy has enough user activity to fulfill my time-wasting needs.
There doesn’t need to be one website that EVERYONE is at. The Web didn’t used to be so damn consolidated.
I don’t give one shit about “Lemmy vs. Reddit”. I care about Lemmy having active communities to engage in, regardless of what is happening on some other website.
Yes this is my thinking as well. Before reddit I was more than happy participating in forums on subjects I enjoyed. I had want I wanted. I almost have that here as well. That’s success in my eyes.
I think so too. I used reddit up until rif stopped working about a week ago (for me at least). Ive always been a reluctant participant in social media largely because of how consolidated everything is. Which, at the end of the day just means we’re easier to market to or monetize. I’m excited about the possibilities of lemmy in a way I’ve never been about social media before. The content is currently a little sparse; you have to go looking a little, but that’ll improve quickly I’m betting. There’s no shortage of content to be had. In a small way it feels like the Internet 25 years ago
Fantastically written. I agree.
A huge userbase like reddit’s is both a pro and a con. The big advantages include diversity of content (especially niche/hobby stuff), more content, and higher frequency of new content overall.
But it comes with some pretty big disadvantages, too. Moderation is difficult so they are happy to let a small number of “power mods” run everything. Subs that were fun & interesting in the past…after they hit the front page and become popular they go downhill quickly. Divisive USA-centric politics.
And of course the “asshole filter” effect: where the assholes drive away the non-assholes, so the concentration of assholes is always going up.
One of Reddit’s biggest issues is mods controlling dozens of subreddits. So that means it feels a lot like corporate America where one company has their editorial say in everything.
lemmydotworld is down again, if anyone is missing [email protected] they can go to the other harry potter community on lemm.ee [email protected] that I’m currently trying to build up .
Honestly, I don’t know if it’s the fewer users, the lack of trolls, the newer apps I’ve been forced to use or the topics that I’ve been getting into since joining Lemmy. But I have been considerably more active here both commenting and posting, than I ever was on Reddit.
It may have started as a way to do my part for the growth of Lemmy, but it’s not been about that for me for some time now.
Others have touched on it, but for me it’s like the difference between speaking up in a conversation between people I don’t know at a house party, and speaking up in a giant auditorium when the person on stage is asking for inputs. The smaller scale makes it a bit more comfortable and I feel more like what I have to say isn’t already being said by a hundred other people.
Totally agree although sometimes Reddit was a lot more like speaking up in a bar full of angry drunks right after a group of neonazis burst in and started slap fighting everyone.
Yeah, this is a great analogy, definitely agree here.
I tend the comment more on posts with less comments. So if a post has thousands of comments already I’m not to going to leave a comment and will probably just read the top couple comments
For me it’s the smaller number of users. It is very likely that your comment will just end up at the bottom and nobody will see it if you comment on a reddit post with thousands of comments. If you comment on a Lemmy post with 25 comments or less it is way more likely to actually be seen by people.
Lemmy is awesome… when it’s up. Which feels like never? Server uptime of 85% is brutal.
That’s an issue of your instance, not of Lemmy. Smaller, less populated instances tend to be more stable.
So it’s Lemmy.world, not all the servers
Yes, the network load should be distributed among many small servers. That’s why my main acc is on monero.town
Do you have accounts on two (or more) servers?
I think, for now anyway, that that is something everyone should do, hear me out!
I have a server up and running but no users, I would be relieved if people subscribed but not with their sole account for the whole lemmyverse.
So if you want a quick server, for an alt account/backup account head over to lemmy.mindoki.com!
I might be slow at accepting, I have a full-time job, but it will be done!
I see no point personally in actively using more than one account.
If you want many users registered on your instance, I suggest you make the server about a general topic people can identify with. E.g. programming.dev is generally about programming, so it hosts communities for all sorts of programming languages. It seems like you like art, maybe make the server about art generally or a (popular) direction of art and advertise your instance with that. I don’t think we have an instance about art yet
Hey thank you and except my computer related hobbies&work I do like the arts very much :-)
I have a super user on the server otherwise I’m trying to use only one account too, mostly because hopefully my instance won’t get DDOSed all the time!
hobbit.world has some great LotR related art btw.
Good tip
Correct, I have an alt account on a different instance because .world is down so much.
But even if I’m on my instance, lemme.ee, and LW is down, I’m not going to see anything from that instance. Which is where the most activity is. So I might see the same link for an article locally, with two comments, and no interaction from the instance with 300 comments.
I mean, eventually other instances will grow, but then they will face the same problems as Lemmy.world.
While world is down, you can still read everything that was posted and federated before it went down on other instances. It’s not like you suddenly don’t have anything to read (unless you are on here 24 hrs / day).
It’s not really just about reading, it’s the engagement. I can read something from a couple of hours ago, comment now, and then somebody might read it in a couple of hours. And then comment back. But then I’m barely interested in the conversation because I’ve moved on.
But I’m just nitpicking. I know it’s going to balance out. Or it won’t and we’ll move on to something else that does LOL. Or I can always spend more time outside. Gasp.
Being outside is dangerous, it has fresh air and sunshine. :)
Most of the communities I’m interested in are on LW. If LW is down, Lemmy is down for me. It is also important to understand that LW is experiencing these issues because it has the largest population. The more people come to Lemmy the more instances will cross this threshold and will go offline.
There is a nice button on each instance that turns off new registrations. Once an instance owner has enough users and don’t want to upgrade the instance anymore, he checks that one.
It will be impossible to ddos every Lemmy instance, not very efficiently at least. Now it’s super easy to just bomb Lemmy.world.
If I’m interested in community X on instance M and M is down it is irrelevant that instances N and O are up - I still can’t access X on instance M.
I don’t know how you people browser Lemmy, but I only read subscribed feed. And most of the communities I care about are on LW. Thus it is absolutely irrelevant that other instances exist. And no, I don’t want to read the cache - I already saw old content.
The more people build instances and the more people create communities outside of lemmy.world, the more resilient all this will be. Lemmy is the kind of place where you can fix your issues by building alternatives.
Hosting an instance has some cost and technical difficulties, so I don’t go around recommending that, but creating an account on a mid-sized instance and creating communities there for what you like to talk about is in everyone’s power.
One issue I see is reports as recent as a month ago of people bringing an instance to it’s knees with a python script on 1 desktop computer. It’s one thing to ask for more instances and investment into the hardware to run them from more people, but it’s another thing not realizing that the code itself is heavily under optimized. For now, and you can see this everytime there’s an outage via the atlassian uptime tracker notes, server owners are throwing more resources to bandaid issues.
I myself am currently running an under optimized application for my company, we are using 4x the amount of money to run it as what it’s meant to replace currently. At a certain point even throwing the kitchen sink at problems stops working.
Lemmy’s code needs to mature more, but im excited about the future for sure.
Try using one of the medium-size instances. You get the same experience as on lemmy.world, minus all the scaling problems. Just create an account on one of them and copy over your settings and subs with lasim. You can even use the same username if it’s still available on the other instance.
If communities I’m interested in are on LW then it doesn’t matter which instance I use. If LW is down then Lemmy is down.
You can still see posts and comments from lemmy.world while it’s down. Making new posts/comments might be an issue though
I can see old stuff on archive.org from all over the web. But when something is down - it’s down. Because the whole purpose of communities is online communication between their members.
You’re right. On the other hand, beginning to use smaller instances might help to reduce the overload of lw in the long run. It might also make the Fediverse more resilient. Reducing the dependency on big instances in my opinion is a good thing.
Yeah, if I were LW, I would stop allowing new users. I feel like servers should be either user or community based, not both. One for users has nice things like alternate skins (e.g. a.lemmy.world or old.lemmy.world) and ones for communities are focused primarily on having good moderators and being super reliable so that federations to them work 100% of the time.
I beginning to feel that lemmydotworld isn’t totally acting in the interests of the lemmy community.
It won’t help if the communities you’re interested in are on LW. It doesn’t matter if you register elsewhere - if LW is down then your community is down. The end.
I know that. That’s why I wrote “in the long run”. What I meant is this: If more users register on different servers in the long run more communities will spawn on those servers. If everyone just registers on lemmy.world, new communities will find their homes there.
It does matter. You can still browse and even post and comment on LW communities, even when LW itself is down. But maybe more important is that LW is having problems because many people are using it, so switching to different instances actually helps LW be more stable.
Mmm, nope. If you are on instance X and view instance Y when it’s down, you only see a cache. If you post or comment your content will only propagate once Y comes up. If Y is down it’s down.
I would call that browsing, posting and commenting, even if it doesn’t sync to other instances until the source instance is back up.
You can use notepad to the same effect.
It depends on your instance. I have account on lemmy.world and it’s indeed been having stability issues. However some other instances seem a bit more stable, like lemmy.ca.
I’ve seen posts on lemmy.world asking for more voluntary admins because of the sudden growth. And apparently they are also the preferred instance to be attacked.
Do your part and try a smaller instance. http://lemmy.today has not been down even once. I’m a heavy user there.
But if you don’t like that one, pick any other smaller instance and you won’t have this problem.
Yeah, I joined lemmy.today so I could have a place to go when my OG lemmy.world is down. I like lemmy.world, but it’s constantly down (like right now). I suppose there’s no reason I shouldn’t just use this one as my primary, though I do like the other skins that lemmy.world added (old.lemmy.world and a.lemmy.world) when I’m on desktop.
I haven’t looked into it but couldn’t those skins be installed on other instances also? Hopefully open source thingies.
Yeah, but they have to be installed by the server admins. lemmy.world added them. I’m not aware of any other instances that have them, but I’d love for them to be standard. The a.lemmy.world is my favorite lemmy experience so far (though I can’t…ummm…use it right now).
Admin of Lemmy.today added all of the them yesterday. I like how fast old is actually, but I’m on mobile app almost always anyway.
It feels like it’s up all the time when I use it. Must depend on the instance. Even Reddit was frequently down for maintenance and other issues.
