In a effin airport where people are wearing masks everywhere
I was traveling recently and got so many dirty looks for wearing a mask, only one at O’Hare.
And then I didn’t wear it enough and caught covid for the first time. (I should have known better in cramped tourists spots). Then I had a reason to wear it, especially while temporarily homeless.
I don’t care what anyone says I hated wearing the mask when I had to wear it but I didn’t catch COVID when I was wearing a mask. I know people say masks don’t work but I didn’t catch so much as a cold for the two years I had to wear the damn thing so if wearing a mask is going to keep me from the plague I’ll take the freaking ugly looks from the unwashed masses that are stupid as shit.
Masks certainly do work. Hospitals used them for decades pre pandemic for a reason.
You know you just said that and it is literally the first time it has ever occurred to me. Because I hear these people make the masks don’t work argument and okay fine they don’t work sure I didn’t get COVID or sick while I was using one though…
And to point out that hospitals use them and it does significantly reduce infection. Why the hell would anyone care what anyone else is wearing…
Like for example I like monster magnet… They are a b level stoner rock band that I thoroughly enjoy and they gladly talk about drugs and evil and whatnot in a dumb stoner rock story way right. I have a shirt on the back of it says it’s a satanic drug thing you wouldn’t understand… I don’t wear that shirt out often or ever yet because quite frankly I feel like it’d be inappropriate to wear because there’s kids and polite company about. I’ll wear it to a death metal show if I’m going to go to one but I’m not going to wear it on an average Tuesday. As long as it doesn’t affect anyone else why would you care In this case my shirt could be offensive to people and I understand it and that’s why I don’t necessarily wear it. But a mask doesn’t offend anyone unless the front of the mask says something asinine… If people want to wear masks let them who cares
Monster Magnet are cool.
You are a friend… If you like monster magnet I can send you tons of an amazing amount of really good music in that same vein…
Please do! Love music. Love new stuff.
Because I hear these people make the masks don’t work argument
The thing is that they hear doctors say “Masks don’t reliably protect against disease” and go “masks don’t work”, but what the doctors say is “they aren’t 100% reliable, so don’t use it as the only method of protection”.
But if wearing a mask vs not wearing a mask lowers your risk of infection by 50%, that’s a huge deal! And with the way infections spread, that’s millions of prevented points of infection.
A friend’s kid brought home Covid and they didn’t catch it because they masked up for a few days in their house.
At one point in Dec of 21, five folks all had it, all near me. Masks suck and rule at the same time.
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It does both. Others more than you, yes, but it does help both ways.
Huh, looked it up, TIL. Blame the disinformation campaigns 🤷♀️
I had actually bought masks in 2018 because I was tired of getting sick every third flight. And then chickened out and didn’t wear them because it just wasn’t done at the time, at least outside of Asia.
Ended up donating that box to my primary care when supplies were short at the beginning of Covid.
Yeah a friend of mine noted one good thing out of COVID was that wearing a mask would be normalized here in the US. (She is susceptible to respiratory issues, so she has to be careful.)
Unfortunately…we did not see the current idiot backlash coming.
The covid junk was 4 years ago.
As everyone knows, covid is the only infectious disease facemasks can reduce the spread of. Before covid masks were just decorative.
covid is the only infectious disease facemasks can reduce the spread of
And as usual the conservamorons are like “mAsK WaSnT 100% eFfEcTiVe!!!” In their backwards universe if something is only 85% effective, its the same as it being 0% effective.
yeah, you know how infectious diseases completely stop infecting people after one outbreak. swine flu was 50 years ago, and famously never came back.
So does it brother you when other people wear masks? If so, why?
I don’t want people forcing me to wear a mask when covid was a problem 4 years ago.
I don’t want people forcing me to wear a mask when covid was a problem 4 years ago
Im sorry to tell you and all conservasuckers this fact, respiratory viruses are on the rise in the last few decades, the next global pandemic which may be worse than covid, is probably going to happen less than 10 years from now. How yall gonna freak out when that one comes chum?
Both my wife and I are immunocompromised (kidney transplant and cancer). We wear a mask because getting sick really sucks and it’s not just COVID. We’re glad most people got used to the idea of seeing others in masks because here in the US it wasn’t a common thing like it is in Japan. I never expected others to continue wearing them but we get harassed often for wearing ours. It’s so frustrating now that I simply yell “she has cancer” whenever someone confronts us. Some go as far as to tell us to “stay home” then if we’re so scared. We’re just trying to live too and sometimes that means us wearing a mask when we’re out.
Who is forcing you to wear a mask in this scenario?
The 10 to 15 morons repeatedly melting down on my comments here.
Hi, “moron” checking in. Downvoting your comments because they are pointless. Despite what one thinks about the covid situation, other infectious diseases exist outside of covid. In addition, nobody is forcing you to wear a mask by simply wearing their own masks.
Your comments deserve the downvotes due to the sheer stupidity, so there’s no point in trying to attack the people giving them to you.
You’ve been replied to by two people. Are you seeing ghosts? Are they in the room with you right now?
I wouldn’t describe five people calling you out for being an idiot as ten to fifteen people repeatedly melting down, but idiots do tend to have issues with numbers and reality.
Edit: I took a quick look at your post history to see if you’re just a troll and I figured it out from this comment:
It’s relieving to let out diarrhea. Constipation is painful and takes forever to get rid of.
You’re just letting your mental diarrhea out for the relief! Thank God, I was worried how anyone that stupid would make it through life.
No one’s forcing you to wear a mask, you dumb shit. This post is how a person was denied entrance to a restaurant because they were wearing a mask. That’s completely different.
Just because I’m curious: I have chronic sarcoidosis in both lungs, and lifelong asthma. I’ve by some miracle survived 4 years, but at the cost of almost all the stamina I used to have. COVID still circulates around the daycares, youth clubs and workplaces here and I have children.
I don’t have an option to not wear a mask when I leave the room I’ve spent these 4 years in. Does that bother you?
Be honest and tell us you don’t give a shit about the people around you.
Edit: Not surprised at your lack of an answer.
Just so you’re aware, friend… Lemmy is auto-translating all your posts for all other users - This is what we see wherever you post:
“I was kicked in the head by a horse 4 years ago”
Hoping you get the help you need, bud. Sure, you shouldn’t have been playing with that horse’s bunghole, but you didn’t deserve all this.
That’s some idiotic shit. You really need to see a doctor for your mental health delusions.
LoL. I’d say the same but then you’ve probably already seen your naturalpath for a prescribed regimen of essential oils and healing crystals
Maybe the real delusion is all the diseases that can cause a compromised immune system we met along the way.
Dear walking smallpox blanket
Get fukken ratio’d
Then get that horseshoe shaped indent in your forehead checked out. Concussions are no joke!
You already told us you were kicked in the head by a horse four years ago. Why do you keep telling us?
This is brilliant hah!
Dad! come now, I told you 15 minutes ago it was time for bed.
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Since you’re getting downvoted, I’ll explain.
Mask don’t stop anything, they slow it, drmatically. Why do you think medical professionals have been wearing masks for 100-years?
The vaccine doesn’t guarantee immunity and viruses mutate. Any given vaccine is good only against a particular strain. And some people can’t take the shot. By wearing masks, we were helping protect them a well.
You seem to have fundamental misunderstandings of how both masks and vaccines work. I recommend reviewing basic materials to avoid further embarrassment.
This is what happens when you don’t club fascist idiots with baseball bats whenever you see them. Now tell me about how we have to protect their “free speech”.
How would you know who the fascist is unless their free speech is protected?
Notice “free speech” is in scare quotes. The previous comment isn’t suggesting that free speech should not be protected. But rather they referring to the fact that many fascists claim that to criticize them, or to refuse to promote their views is to stifle their free speech.
Why would you want to know who the fascists are? If you do then that means you gave them power. In the US fascists not only have free speech protections, they have greater free speech rights than anyone on the left. They were given- through federal legislation- the power to control all media outlets. Fascists will never allow leftists to have a platform. Centrists will never allow it either. There is no practical reason at all for the left to defend free speech for Nazis, yet they continue to do so.
To cancel them, obviously. Nobody who’s a fascist should have a job
The same way my ilk once dealt with organized scabs, torture out of the first few and them shootup thei meating place.
Meating place sounds like some kind of porno
Autocorrect is clearly a whore so thats pretty accurate.
Edit: To clarify, it would be best if anyone that feels they should wear a mask in the restaurant while they wait for the food, be allowed.
As someone that thinks masks work, I got a few takes on this.
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In the USA, a private company can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason except a legally protected reason. If a company doesn’t like your shirt they don’t have to serve you. But if they don’t like that you are gay they have to say they don’t like your shirt, if they don’t serve you because you a gay, thats illegal.
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While it’s stupid that they won’t serve the doctor wearing a mask, wasn’t the doctor going to take their mask of like immediately after sitting at the table to drink something while looking at the menu? At the very most, they would take it off to eat the food right? So they were denied service so that they could at most wear a mask for like 15 mins while they wait for the food to be made.
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If you have to take you mask off to eat, is it really worth it to keep you mask on for as much as possible? Assuming your intention is not to spread disease from yourself to others, how much more harm would an additional 15 mins cause? I honestly don’t know but if it’s non-trivial, perhaps eating at a sitdown restaurant (which normally takes longer) is morally wrong. Although, not as morally wrong as denying service to someone wearing a mask.
The main point is to minimise the risk of infection of others. Masks do that by limiting the amount of virus you spray info the environment with every breath. The longer you have the mask on, the fewer virus-laden droplets get out, the lower the viral load is for everyone around you.
So to answer your question, yes, keeping the mask off the whole time would have been measurably worse than keeping it on before and after eating. No, getting a meal at an airport is not ethically wrong even if you have to take off the mask to eat and drink. Wearing the mask for as long as possible is the right thing to do because it offers the best chance of not getting other people sick; taking it off to eat balances your needs with the safety of others.
If everyone masked like this (even if it was just when they know they’re sick, instead of always), many fewer people would get sick when they go flying.
Well, science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders. So maybe if everyone wore masks and nobody ever got sick, we’d have a society of people with allergies and autoimmune disorders.
Masking doesn’t render the air “devoid of pathogens”, it just reduces the amount of pathogens you’re spraying into the environment while you’re contagious, and provides some filtering of the air you’re breathing through your mouth and nose.
Our immune systems will still get “exercised” by fighting off the pathogens we do encounter, but they won’t necessarily be so easily overwhelmed since we won’t be constantly inhaling more and more virus while our lymphatic system is busy fighting off the replicating viral bodies that have already gotten in.
science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders
It’s actually the other way around, with viral infections being one of many causes of autoimmune diseases.
Yeah that makes sense.
Great example of actively harmful rhetoric that attempts to undermine the fact that masking works.
I don’t see how. Since the covid pandemic I wear masks if I’m sick or know I was around someone that’s sick and I have to be somewhere with people. But it would be so much less possible harm if I just stay home during that time. So like if I felt like I needed a mask, I would either not go traveling or I would wear a mask and not eat in public.
The point is that you can’t wear a mask while eating or drinking so it’s literally 10-15 minutes you’re actually talking about wearing a mask in the restaurant.
With regard to your point 1, I think a business y should give up some of its freedom to filter patrons, if it’s doing business in a place like an airport.
Just like a vendor at a stadium shouldn’t be able to individually discriminate, because they’ve made their business part of a larger system.
Yeah it would make sense if it worked that way.
What if the doctor was just going in to get takeout? Or just plain wants to wear a mask while they’re not eating? Whose business is it but theirs? I thought Americans believed in freedom.
Yes I agree, they should be allowed to wear a mask when ever they want. And I’ll always avoid a business that has some kind of terrible policy like this.
I’m more honestly asking, as someone that does wear masks and avoids going out if I feel sick or know I’ve been exposed. How much benefit is the 15 min wait it will take to prepare the food?
Half the country’s definition of freedom is their right to impose their will onto everyone else.
Which is ironically the exact opposite of the intent, freedom but not fucking with others freedom too.
The other half’s definition of freedom is being able to say whatever bullshit comes to mind and not having it challenged.
Ah and there it is, the self report.
Try just fucking saying what you want to say next time, you little coward.
Playing your cute little misinformation game trying to blend in with the same folks. Fuck outta here.
No, that is the same half.
To your first point: the person could be wearing a mask because they see immunocompromised in some way, which would be a protected class (disability). You can’t refuse to serve someone because they’re disabled and wearing a mask as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move about in crowds, just like you can’t refuse to serve a person because they’re disabled and using a wheelchair as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move around in crowds. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Hey that’s a great catch.
A store shouldn’t deny entry based on something someone does for the benefit their health.
That was my first thought. Isn’t indoor dining the riskiest thing you could do during the pandemic?
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Your personal right to not spread germs is being taken away.
And the idiots cheer for it. It really is unfathomable.
It puts the whole climate change “controversy” in perspective for me. It’s not controversial, these people just have a death wish. It’s best if we just move along without them, where possible, and don’t let them get in our way.
You made a good point. There are definitely people who are actively trying to ruin the world, and that is a direct threat to mine yours and every one elses life. So then getting rid of these people should fall under self defense.
Literally the Nazi position on Jews and communists.
Except one group was clearly attacked and murdered based on unfounded racist fear and nationalism eager for “others” to feed the fascist machine, and the other group willingly chose to abandon critical thinking and defy the recommendations of the medical science community doing its level best to fight a novel and deadly contagion. The Jews were “asked” to wear yellow stars and rounded up because of who they were. That was indefensible. The Communists were rounded up because they were political opponents of the NSDAP. That was indefensible. Modern citizens across the world were required or asked to wear masks, observe a larger personal space bubble, and quarantine for the safety of everyone by governments large and small across the world in an effort to protect everyone from a virus that doesn’t know or care about the political leanings of its victims. Individuals willingly defiant of such measures intentionally and recklessly put everyone’s health and safety at risk, to deadly effect in some cases. That is indefensible.
Those two groups, among others, were clearly attacked and murdered on the basis of fear that these people were going to destroy their way of life.
That was exactly the argument against those groups. It was based on fear. It was based on the idea of saving the world from evil people, and it became the yardstick of evil.
Be careful about whipping out your justifications to separate your actions from the Nazis’ on arbitrary grounds. The key factor is that, for fear of over privileged groups destroying their nation, they made the decision to oppose them brutally, and that turned into the Holocaust.
I’ll never understand why they’re so psychotic about masks. What do you care about someone else protecting their health if they see fit?
He has the right to wear the mask. He doesn’t have the right to eat at that restaurant.
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I’d question the food handling practices of such a place
I was at a theme park yesterday and got harassed because my wife and I were wearing masks while waiting in line for rides. I have a kidney transplant and my wife had cancer in 2016 so we’re both immunocompromised. Just whose fun are we ruining?
Antifa did nothing wrong.
It’s amazing how the people who are expressing their freedom not to wear a mask get really offended by people who express their freedom by wearing a mask.
It’s starting to make me think it’s not about freedom…
There was a little town next to where i work, and every year they have a “funny” theme. That year it was global warming, and they set up some mannequins that wore winter clothing, but also scuba gear. They were alse wearing masks, because it was middle of covid.
Even if i was just driving by or just stopped shortly there, i saw on multiple occasions how people ripped the masks of the mannequins angrily and threw it on the ground. Masks somehow are very offensive to people.
Masks somehow are very offensive to people.
Somewhere deep down they know that they were wrong and that those death numbers are partly on them. Many of them knew people who died and are likely the potential connection in the chain that killed them.
Rather than realize they were wrong and try to make up for it they turn incredibly hateful towards it in extreme denial. If they admit masks work then they admit they killed their friends and family for nothing
God. I still think had Trump just said, “Listen to Dr. Fauci” and printed up a billion “Trump 2020” masks, he would have been elected again in a landslide. And we probably would have had far fewer dead people, too.
Edit to clarify: I don’t like him at all. He’s an idiot, an asshole, a racist, and a bunch of other things. I’m just saying he had an easy path to reelection but his ego couldn’t handle it.
People who identify with bullies
Similar story with my wife. She had cancer and should not catch something as serious as Covid. So, everytime we are among a lot of people, ecpecially in places with bad ventilation, we wear masks.
I haven’t kept count how many times we were talked to about that. The amount of conspiracy mythics among them was rather high. And not always were people polite.
This is really idiotic. As if even other diseases, which required such precautions, haven’t existed before. Too many stupid people around.
I live in Canada. Maybe it’s different in the small towns, but I’ve only had one person bitch at me for masking and that’s because he has a brain injury largely. I can’t imagine what the US is like.
I would appreciate the warning to absolutely not eat in that restaurant.
Exactly. I’m fine with avoiding it forever.
I say it every day: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS!
We have those assholes to thank for this… Gotta keep Republican voters, what better way than to make them frothing with rage at whatever Democrats suggest we do…
I share your hatred but that likely isn’t what is happening here.
Put simply, someone fucked up. At an airport, the competing concerns of health and security are in their most extreme tension. For some reason, someone on staff skewed security when they should have skewed health.
There is no excuse for it, and guaranteed it has already been resolved or soon will be. This is in one of the busiest international airports in the world, and masks are still very common in air travel, particularly from countries like Japan - and I believe this restaurant is even in the terminal that ANA flies into. Restaurants simply cannot afford rent if they intentionally impose restrictions like that on their customers.
On the flip side, this is precisely why I say .ml needs to be dealt with swiftly. They protect hexbears, and hexbears openly state that they are engaged in information warfare with the rest of the fediverse. They are literally over here protecting right wing propagandists and everyone is like “well ok just don’t click on their shit if you don’t want to see it.”
Yeah, I’m not worried about myself falling for this nonsense. I’m worried about my family and coworkers doing shit like this because they are taking the internet seriously.
Huh??
The US is a funny country. It does not behave like a highly advanced and highly literate society.
That’s because it’s not. America is a brain dead billionaire, a struggling wage slave, and a fascist in a trench coat.
Can’t wait for bird flu. Shit’s gonna be wild.
Yes! It’s cooking between cows and farm hands.
Little bit of pig and it’s all over.
By the time the deniers realize that it’s actually a threat… Well, those progressive policies might actually become law.
I get it, but if you’re worried about covid, why are you eating in a restaurant?
Guessing she needs to eat and is away from home.
Takeout has been a thing for tens of thousands of years, not sure how you missed it
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Oop yeah
It’s called being sensible. Like… We all take risks when we go out, but it’s like wearing a seatbelt. Does it eliminate risk? No. Does it reduce risk and is low risk in of itself by wearing it? Of course.
And ultimately, the insensible thing is banning masks.
It doesn’t really reduce risk much because you’re literally about to take it off anyway in that same space.
I’m going to take a wild guess that the infectious disease doctor knows better, but by all means please proceed, Mr. Dunning-Kruger.
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If I’m in transit on airplanes and in airports for 8 hours and I wear a mask for 7 of those hours, the one hour (or probably less) that I take off my mask to eat a meal doesn’t completely negate the good that wearing a mask does for the rest of the time. I’m still reducing my risk (or the risk I pose to others around me) for 88% of my travel time.
Cool, but we’re not talking about those other 7 hours.
There’s a huge difference between sitting at a table by yourself (or even with a family member) and, say, sitting next to a stranger in an airplane. Walking through the restaurant and keeping the mask on so as not to catch or give anything in passing is sensible. Greater distance means lower risk.
But he’s about to sit down near those people and take his mask off in like 45 seconds. Then he’ll sit there with his mask off and everyone else in there with masks off for 30 minutes at least. That extra 45 seconds is not really helping anything.
