The alternatives to the GNU tools are largely permissively licensed, yeah? What could possibly go wrong with that…
LLVM and Clang make massive strides over GCC thanks to its license. If it weren’t for many of the infamous “GNU’isms”, GCC would have dies years ago.
…People who wanted to donate their software to the public with no strings attached could see an uptick in the number of users?
The number of users being those who would rather leverage the software for free, and then resell a walled garden version with proprietary extensions.
That’s the beautiful thing about gifting software with permissive licenses (when one wants to): it’s a gift and anyone can do whatever they want with it for free.
ETA: I DO think that it is important for one who chooses to license software permissively to be informed about their decision and its implications. But, just like consent in other areas, as long as one enters into it intentionally and with the understanding of what the license means, it’s noone’s place to judge (and, like consent in other interpersonal areas, the license can be revoked/modified at any time - with a new version). Honestly, really weird of those that take issue with individuals choosing to gift their software to humanity - there’s way more interesting and useful things to engage in in the FLOSS landscape.
If the proprietary extensions don’t add significant value, nobody would buy it in the first place.
People making those comments don’t realize that much of the desktop Linux stack is MIT/BSD licensed anyway. It’s also not like those “permissive licenses bad” people would delete all such licensed software from their system because the result would be unusable.
Hnng yeah thats right womansplain to me, whip out those big beautiful FACTS and correct me till I BLEED
Seriously. I’d never be in this situation. But I’d be so hard as I died in the floor.
You can bludgeon me to death with those facts baby
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Oh yeah, rub my face in those gorgeous technicalities. You want to mock my logical fallacy? Do it. Point out my fallacy and laugh; I can take it.
Without the mention of mansplain and womansplain this would be funny
That’s fine. It’s proof that both exist and one is deadly.
I work in IT and sometimes I have to explain something to a user who is somewhat tech-illiterate. Even developers may have significant blind spots when it comes to their OS or networking, for example.
So, if I notice it, I’ll change some terminology and I may explain instructions differently or use metaphors so every user understands what I’m saying.
And most coworkers do the same thing.
Here’s why I bring this up: For whatever reason, some colleagues give female coworkers the same treatment.
And that’s weird.
If someone is constantly treated like this, they should be allowed to rant about it on their blog. I’m fine with snark if it geht’s a point across.
Is it bad if I tend to do this except to everyone because I don’t generally expect people to know the same specific stuff as me?
No. If it’s everyone, then it’s everyone and at worst it’s not the most efficient way to communicate.
I would say, if you single out a group of people based on physical characteristics, then it gets weird.
But if it’s “The internet won’t start” vs “Every packet on port 433 is dropped even though no firewall rule is set”, then I think it’s reasonable to make some asumptions and adjust communication accordingly.
I love the examples!
Oh yeah definitely. With that second one, is be requesting explanation for myself!
It’s really just that when I start to say anything about anything I’m interested in, I get a “why do you think I know anything about that?” a lot, so I shifted gears to the opposite early in life. I go explaining all the things involved with what I’m talking about before I get to the point and people think I’m tangential.
hey look its the guy from the meme
This is fucking gold
Face it, Linux is just the kernel. You use systemd as your operating system.
Meanwhile I: “What’s GNU?”
Nothing much, what’s GNU with you?
Take my upvote and kindly get out. Please.
Not UNIX.
Triggered
Alpine is the way
Why are yall so mad about GNU and Free Software movement that it has started? Do you prefer to go to the old times? Apple microsoft fanboys?
Doing an entire OS and library to not use GNU it’s like Apple doing the LLVM to not having to use the GCC. Instead you could be helping in the free software movement and development, but you prefer to go into a GNU vs. Linux fight.
The war should be all the free software movement vs the companies fake open source shit.
This post has nothing against GNU. It’s just a way to bash on annoying linux bros who want to correct everyone.
Because it’s being pedantic and it’s being wrong. And that’s annoying.
Software is not named by the compiler used or the tools included in the end package.
GNU project is not just compiler. Is isn’t just Emacs either.
This is a joke. Most people are not remotely concerned about these things.
IDK, but I think it’s cool that people have the option. Maybe if you’re just coming up with new ways to do the same things, if they turn out to be better GNU can take inspiration and other distros can switch, benefitting everyone. Or it could just be as a fun hobby, many people do these sorts of things just because it’s what they enjoy doing. I guess it might be the sort of thing you do just to see if it can be done.
It’s just funny to annoy people who insist on using GNU/Linux
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For real why are people so hyped about having less software built by people principled in protecting their freedoms?
GNU and the FSF are awesome!
Found the Debian user.
You pure, unadulterated bastard.
Word. Running eyes wide open into oblivion. GNU is a big part why our system is as superior as it is.
Ride his face into VALHALLA!!!
Ya’ll need God.
Posting this from TempleOS
How’d you get internet working?
Holy Water most likely
All things are possible through Christ lol
All things are possible though profound autism and schizophrenia
autismophrenia. look up jreg and his videos on autism and schizophrenia…
💅🏻
Honestly? Fuck rms. :D
He wouldn’t mind if children did …
Exactly. I’m not sure why I’m getting downvoted for calling out bs.
If it were true womansplaining, her dialogue alone would take 2 hours before finally getting to the point. Before that time, 90% of the readers would have given up.
Can someone explain to me why people get upset about it being referred to as gnu+Linux or gnu/Linux? I’m not the most techy person, so maybe I’m missing something obvious, but like, objectively, isn’t it just as much gnu code as Linux?
Again, not super techy, so please explain it to me like I’m the average Facebook aunt.
The definition of “operating systems” is not really clear. Some say the operating system is what is called the “kernel”. In the case of Linux operating systems, that kernel is called “Linux”. Most people, however, say that the operating system is the whole thing you install. That is, the kernel + a bunch of other apps.
For example, in windows: notepad, internet explorer (now edge), paint, and all those apps are part of the operating system, that’s what people mean when they say “windows”. It’s the whole package. Other less obvious parts are drivers for example.
In the case of Linux, most distributions ship with a bunch of GNU programs.
“Akschually people” argue that the GNU parts are as important (if not more) as Linux itself for the operating system, so they feel like all the hard work of the GNU developers is shadowed by the people that say “Linux”.
I mostly understand all that so far. My main question is why people get upset at folks who refer to it as gnu/Linux? I’ve seen a couple arguments about it on reddit, but I’m not sure how common it is for people to be actually upset, or if it’s more meme arguing. And I also I have no idea if I should say I use Linux or gnu/Linux since I use Fedora. Lol.
I don’t know about upset.
You refer to it as gnu/Linux, I won’t be upset. I’ll just slightly roll my eyes at your choosing to utter such an inconvenient word to make a point that doesn’t really need to be made. But ultimately it’s your breath that is being wasted not mine, so I don’t really care.
You start arguing about it, then it gets annoying because give it a rest. I am perfectly aware that gnu is a core part of the whole thing, I just don’t think it matters that I verbally pay tribute to it every single time I mention Linux. One word is enough to let you know wtf I’m talking about 99.999999% of the time, so I’m not adding another one that’s already implied basically always. Still not upset though.
I’m one that finds the GNU/Linux naming annoying. I think calling it that is mostly silly, and am mostly annoyed at people who militantly argue it’s the only way to describe a Linux OS (which aren’t as common as they used to be).
To me, it’s just overly verbose and pointless. For the most part, the GNU part has been implied for pretty much any mainstream form of Linux for decades. And even if it wasn’t, who cares? Like, you wouldn’t say that you run KDE/X11/wpasupplicant/neovim/docker/pacman/paru/systemd/GNU/Linux… Just saying KDE on Arch Linux is simpler and far more informative.
It helps differentiate between GNU/Linux users and the five people who use GNU/Hurd
Not the person you originally asked, but the main reason is probably that referring to it as gnu/Linux is 1) already deeply associated with the Richard Stallman meme, to the point that referring to it in that way automatically comes across as either a joke or just a person being intentionally contrarian, and 2) just really weird sounding. In the minds of most people, there is no real reason to refer to it as GNU/Linux, because the actual operating system that does the things the operating system is expected to do - as in provide an API for syscalls, memory management, etc - is just “Linux.” That it’s routinely built alongside a set of core utilities designed and maintained by GNU is largely pointless. It’d be like referring to a hamburger as Buns/Hamburger or Buns+Hamburger. It’s just…weird.
Everyone has to hate something to feel better about themselves. I’ve tried alpine and no thanks. Its great if someone likes it but I’ll just stick with what has been working for nearly 20 years.
I admit I don’t know much about it, but I got the impression that it’s great when you need a very minimal Linux system, like for Docker containers.
It’s the same reason why people argue about how to pronounce GIF. People get used to doing things one way and they don’t want to change.
When I learned that the creator of GIF pronounces it as JIF my world was turned upside down.
get upset about it being referred to as gnu+Linux or gnu/Linux
I would say it’s the opposite. Certain people get angry if you do not refer to it as GNU/Linux. These people used to be technically correct.
GNU tried to rewrite Unix from scratch under the GNU GPL license. They view their copy left license (a license where if you incorporate any code under their license, you must release the code of your project as well) as morally superior. Their kernel didn’t work out, but Linus Torvolds wrote another kernel for that GNU OS.
Obviously, GNU wanted credit for the OS components that were not Linux. That’s where the copypasta about “What you are using is in fact GNU+Linux…” came from. GNU is the heart of the free software movement so they have their fans as well that of course would also make that claim.
Of course, as the meme in the OP suggests, you can now have a Linux distro that either does not use code owned by GNU or uses very little of their code. I would argue Ubuntu, Arch, etc still are technically GNU+Linux as they use GNU’s C compiler, their C implementation, their userspace programs like Bash and grep, etc. However, Alpine uses alternatives to GNU software such as the musl C implementation.
Certain people get angry if you do not refer to it as GNU/Linux.
I’ve never seen this happen. I’ve heard a lot of people complaining about these people, though.
It’s like veganism. I’ve never met a militant vegan, but I’ve heard tons of people complain about them.
I think it’s an effective strategy to avoid taking about real issues.
I agree, outside of very, very few people it’s just a stereotype.
Pendatry. Very widespread in tech.
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“Tech” is pretty broad. Sure, in software develo—-
nah only /s :)
My guess: it’s a mouthful and not catchy. “Linux” is short, catchy and easy to pronounce. With “GNU/Linux” I don’t even know if I’m supposed to spell out the GNU or pronounce it as a word, and I don’t know if I’m supposed to say the “/” as “slash” or “plus” or “and” or if it should actually just be silent. I like to type how I speak, so if I don’t know how to say it I’m not going to write it, and I’m not going to like reading it.
I can totally see the merits for “GNU/Linux” but don’t underestimate the importance of catchiness. Maybe if it were shortened to “Ginux” it could stand a better chance, but then we’d have another gif situation.
Lignux
Lignux balls)) Btw, I personally like it, shame it won’t spread.
Which when you try to say it as written sounds like some degenerate version of “lick nuts” which is possibly not intended?
as far as i’m aware it’s just a copypasta, knowyourmeme explains it pretty well
It’s not a meme, people genuinely get upset about this. There was a post on a lemmy about the Comptia A+ study guide that had the question “What is GNU” with the answer of “It has to do with Linux” and people were writing essays on why this was not correct.
It isn’t just a copypasta. As KnowYourMeme points out, it comes from Richard Stallman. Wikipedia has a good article about it here.
The term GNU/Linux is promoted by the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and its founder Richard Stallman. Their reasoning is that the GNU project was the main contributor for not only many of the operating system components used in the subsequent development of modern “Linux” systems, but also the associated free software philosophy.
