AKA User was so stupid, he or she should better not use a computer in the first place.
It’s not stupid if it works (also user is satisfied). But it’s just another bug that can wipe user data, so it better gets fixed.
It’s stupid if what the person use tabs for is what bookmarks exist for without running the risk of losing all of them.
Either browser saves your tabs on exit or it doesn’t. There should not be such a risk, plain and simple. If you insist there is then please provide an exact number of tabs where it starts to happen, and/or when it becomes acceptable for it to happen.
Anytime you use a program in a way that you can’t reasonably expect to have been tested you should accept that you run the risk of hitting bugs. Ex.: no one should reasonably expect devs to test having 7k tabs from different websites open when there’s an existing feature for this type of usage that is 100% safe (bookmarks).
When your usage is out of the norm it’s not unusual for programs to start acting weird and more often than not it’s not intended and can even come from an issue with how the hardware and software work together and it might not even be possible to fix the issue.
70 mb is not excessive for a session file and therefore 7k tabs is not excessive. 7 million tabs would be insane I imagine. But not 7k. User proved herself by using it for years that it performs adequately.
My point stands. If browser can lose 7k tabs it can lose as few as 7 and such bugs should be fixed.
If you can’t name exact point between 7 and 7k where “reason” ends you have to learn more about proper programming. So you could realize that the actual limit is far from that, and there are still a lot of things to improve so all users could get benefits, not just a few.
Just because it works it is not “not stupid”. I can accellerate my car to about 100km/h and drive it into a wall - yes, that works, but it would not exactly be smart. Having >100 tabs open in a browser is in the same category.
I have around 100 tabs open. If they remain opened, I can ctrl+tab in chronologic history. That’s otherwise not possible.
// Edit: Also, this order remains across reboots I never had any issue with this. They can easily be recovered after an update and the ordering still exists. It is simply more powerful then bookmarks. Also from these tabs may only be a low percentage bookmark worthy.
At some commenters: just because you are not grasping my workflow doesn’t mean that I am missusing my tool. In fact I am able to fully navigate my entire session with the keyboard across multiple tasks spanning multiple months. If you simply dump all of these in the bookmarks I am lowering my bookmark quality, which results in wrong suggestions in my urlbar. And I do not even use any plugin.
Save bookmarks, sort them by date accessed, maybe?
These are temporary tabs which are revisited and closed in a specific manner. Saving them implies I need them in the long-term. I would also need to explore them again.
How short term are you actively using all 100 tabs?
My workflow is also primarily keyboard-based. I don’t even use many bookmarks. Hotkeys to open new tabs or move the cursor to the address bar, and type like 3 letters of the site I want to go to before autocomplete knows what I want. Easier to me than having to maintain/remember the order of tabs.
How short term are you actively using all 100 tabs?
This session is almost one year old and on my private laptop. At work I used to juggle three projects so sometimes I had three windows with up to 30-40 tabs. Effectively they remain about 5 workdays project wise. I use it as a short-term memory: While on call, open tab with workload, write it down on paper and queue it.
Best thing is to finally close all that crap and get to a tab I wanted to read for my own.
I don’t even use many bookmarks.
Me neither. Had to tweak the urlbar in about:config though.
… or move the cursor to the address bar, …
That’s ctrl_G right? I tend to close + open the tab to get to the address bar and then restore the closed tab. Is there a more quicker way to get into the address bar than said binding?
Easier to me than having to maintain/remember the order of tabs.
It’s reliable and muscle memory. Its perfect for short interruptions and and then resume where I have left.
You have heard the word “bookmarks”, no?
Yes. And I know how to work with them. Your point beeing?
If you know how to use bookmarks, why do you still use many tabs?
My bookmarks shall be my first suggestions in my urlbar, so a bookmark is either frequently used or something I want to refer to specifically because of its content and quality.
Everything I want to read later is placed as leftmost of my top-level tabs. Opening tabs is right to my current tab without visiting them immediately. I visit them by closing the first and immediately get the next unvisited. My previous tab is still my top-level.
If I do not have the time to read everything leftmost, I may open a new window. If there is something really worth it to be saved, it gets elected a bookmark.
// after reading my own answer: My bookmarks are curated across years, my session might life 1 hour to multiple months. Firefox allows me to even transfer my tabs across new devices. Each time i finished a task and close tabs, I am able to read on of the tabs to the left. This is work time.
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^followed by space in the search bar. You can now simply search through your history by text. Far more efficient.That does not aid my use case of most recently used visiting. It does also imply I know the title or url of the tab. It may be obscure like e835bdk83o4nt0s.
Your history is already sorted by most recently used. If you just open the history search drop-down without typing anything, you can tab through your most recent pages.
History search works with more than just the title, it’s also can match words in the description, keywords in the page, or I believe just about any piece of HTML metadata. After using this feature for years as a software engineer viewing plenty of obscure or obfuscated webpages, I’ve never had it fail to find me the page I want. I simply type a word associated with the thing I want to view, and every time I can easily find the page I’m looking for.
Thanks.
I will put your input and that of [email protected] into use the day after tomorrow and come back here to report back.
Much love, Sirs or Madams.
How so? As seen from article it works fine. It doesn’t require terabytes of RAM. The car example is irrelevant and stupid, also will kill the car and you.
As seen from article it works fine.
As the article shows, it exactly doesn’t. Would that person have complained about the loss of the stupid many tabs if firefox had been able to recover them?
Sorry what? The user was able to recover them. Such complains are valid because data was in a state where user couldn’t access it as usual at some point.
Should make that a feature
This instance demonstrates Firefox’s memory management capabilities, which put unused tabs to sleep to save memory via Tab Unloading. Mozilla released this feature with Firefox 93 in October 2021
This has been a thing since at least 2012.
And there’s literally dedicated extensions to tracking open tabs for you
I seem to remember a post on Lemmy from a user asking about how to keep a browser responsive with about 10,000 tabs open so it’s certainly a usage pattern for some.
What’s the point tho? It’s not like you’re actively using the 10k tabs.
It’s an impossible amount of tabs to manage so the only explanation is they are opened, looked at once, and then thrown into an abyss for another tab to be opened in a continuous cycle.
The post is here: https://lemmy.ml/post/16965449
In short, they wanted to keep the tabs bookmarked but didn’t like working with the bookmarks implementations in conventional browsers
Oh. Well you can’t fix stupid
How do you even navigate that many tabs?
People can keep 5-10 things in their short term memory. Anything beyond that you can’t feasibly multitask with so it should be a bookmark instead of a tab.
Maybe browsers should merge the two functions. (We already have pinned tabs too)
You can search through your open tabs by typing
%followed by space in the search bar. I often do that since I tend to reference a lot of documentation/merge requests/admin interfaces/etc. and end up with quite a few tabs in a working session (usually clear them out the next day). Nowhere near 7000, though. Maybe 50.
Meanwhile there’s me who wipes his cache and data after every browser session…
I’ve been betrayed early enough and often enough to take monthly backups of my profile and export tab lists as text files. Just in case.
All of you going ‘well that’s not my use case’ don’t have to get it, you just have to shut up and let us do our thing. Yours is the same aggravating attitude as ‘so what if the computer reboots to forcibly update?’ Listen: go to whatever physical space you’ve carefully organized, dump all that shit onto the floor, and then pick it back up piece by piece to make it right again. How you feel doing that is how we feel several times a month.
How you feel doing that is how we feel several times a month.
Because you’re doing something dumb. That’s really all there is to it.
IT guy here, you are absolutely correct, this shit is dumb and I am annoyed at my dad who does this.
I am using software in a way that suits my intent.
The ability to do this is one of the reasons I choose this software.
Do you think they’re adding vertical tabs for you people with six of them?
I am using software in a way that suits my intent.
Against the intentions of that software. Square peg, round hole.
Mozilla has proudly advertised testing how Firefox handles hundreds of tabs.
There’s not some upper limit. A computer remembering a hundred things has not been impressive since the days of drum memory. Open tabs in a restored session are barely more than bookmarks.
It can handle them just fine – they’re meant to be impermanent. They never claimed you can keep hundreds of tabs open forever.
I can hammer in nails with the back of a screwdriver. That doesn’t make it the right tool for the job.
Sessions aren’t restored by coincidence. They’re meant to be persistent - that’s why there’s a mature and stress-tested feature to keep them persistent.
Go whine at someone expecting their hammer to work on a thousand nails. They don’t write on the packaging that it’ll work that long! It’s only designed for a couple dozen nails, and then you throw it out.
Tabs also need to be closed occasionally for major updates. You know how I know that? Because it happens regularly enough that you’re here whining about it.
You’re welcome to keep banging your head against that wall, but if you publically whine about how it hurts your forehead, people are gonna tell you its your own fault. And they’re right.
You have a terrible workflow.
Stop throwing that comic at people who use software as advertised.
My dad does this, he allways restores his tabs and hardly ever use bookmarks.
I had to help him migrate this shitshow to his new computer, and whenever it breaks he gets really upset.
He likes being able to have access to the history of every tab.
I may be an IT guy but I could not stand doing this.
Somebody teach the new boys what a bookmark is pls.
I don’t understand people who use a million tabs. Most I’ll have is like ten. And that’s if I’m deep in a problem in a project. I hate clutter
ADHD and easier to type a url than open a new tab. People that can maintain a curated tab list… I wish my brain would allow it.
Once a day I close browsers to make sure there’s not some work item I forgot to hit post on.
In AuDHD and I hate tabs. I’m worse at work but I don’t go over 5 or 6 tabs
I set my important links in the bookmarks tab, and if I need anything else, I hit Ctrl+t, type the first letter, and I’m there 90% of the time faster than sifting for the right tab
Unchecked “Show search suggestions ahead of browsing history in address bar results” in Firefox and made this easier for me :)
Screw all those replies amounting to ‘stop having that problem.’
Mozilla has previously bragged about testing how Firefox handles hundreds of tabs. If you feel cramped opening a dozen - my condolences. But get out of our way. We’re using all this RAM we paid for.
The issue is not about having a lot of tabs open, the issue is when people expect their tabs to be open between sessions.
Open 427362728 tabs if you want, but don’t expect them to open on restarting the session
Would you spit this at someone annoyed that all their bookmarks got deleted? Because restored tabs don’t take much more storage or memory than that. And if you don’t expect your computer to remember those kilobytes of information, buy a better computer.
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No.
I’m not done with them yet.
I am using this many tabs, after pruning. It’s not just opening everything and closing nothing. 99% get closed in a timely fashion. This is the rest. This is what’s left despite routine passes to weed out what’s no longer relevant enough to get back to.
All of y’all scoffing ‘use bookmarks’ act like a Bookmarks folder thousands of items long would be any more manageable or convenient. Bookmarks don’t even use less RAM since tabs started lazy-loading. Bookmarks also don’t go away when you open them and decide you’re done. You have to find it in the big dumb list to open it, do whatever, and then find it in the big dumb list to remove it. God help you if we’re talking about a group of tabs instead of exactly one page.
There used to be this perfect plugin called Read It Later. You’d click the icon and the tab would go onto a list, and opening it from that list would remove it. This did exactly what I wanted until it became Pocket and enshittified into a cloud service. And then Mozilla forced that cloud service on everyone by bundling its “recommendation” spam into the goddamn browser, forcibly uninstalling the old version I was still using.
I have been using Firefox since before it was called Firefox. I don’t care if you use it differently from me. Extend the same courtesy.
some people visit many different sites, continuously throughout the day, and it doesn’t make sense to keep reopening tabs, plus then you forget about it
That is fine, open as many tabs as you want, but don’t keep a shitload of tabs open between sessions
I’m going to read it later, really! If I make it a bookmark I’d have to organize it now, which is effort.
Then you’re really not doing that much research. I can easily open 20 to 50 tabs for just one project. I’m not defending leaving them open. I’ve finally started to address the problem by learning how to take notes. I chose Joplin for this.
Autism/ADHD is a bitch for some things and note taking and writing up research has never just “come to me”.
That is fine, the issue is not having 500+ tabs open, but having 500+ tabs persistantly open between sessions
I’m autistic as well and having that many tabs open gives me anxiety. I mainly code, and when I find a solution I either bookmark it until I can use it, it I use it and then close it. Maybe not immediately, but I try not to have so many open the broader can’t show them in the tab bar. Because it gets really disorganized after that
The satisfaction of solving an issue, making a note in comments where the fix/solution/documentation came from, then closing the 20 odd browser tabs and being able to move on is great.
Bookmarking is great- I never use them again though!
Locking this post. Pretty sure everything that’s needed to be said has been said so threads are devolving.
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How did they get a reporter into my house
Get some help.
When a confessed degenerate says that, you have a problem.
Tab Stash people, its the perfect extension for tab hoarders like me. It saves and closes all your opened tabs as bookmarks with a single click, and gives you a neat view of everything you saved.
