Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

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    1710 months ago

    I keep tuning in and out. I tune out when Trump speaks because everything he says is just such an affront to objective reality. But then I also tune out when Biden speaks because… He just comes off as so old it’s making me cringe. Like, this is the best we could come up with to combat a literal fucking fascist.

    Then I wonder, what part of this am I listening to? The questions?

      • @[email protected]
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        610 months ago

        Debates aren’t about substance unfortunately, debates are performance. That’s all people take away from them. Information needs to be conveyed but it’s got to be conveyed in a way that resonates.

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          310 months ago

          and I say it’s time to stop carrying the exact thing you’re complaining about by perpetuating it

          • @[email protected]
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            510 months ago

            I’m not complaining about it and I don’t have to perpetuate it. It’s just a fact. It’s not a scenario we can change. If you want it to be based on substance you should read position papers. Oratory has always and will always be performative. That will never change, because that’s its nature.

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        10 months ago

        I tried muting the TV and just reading the captions for a little, and it made me a fair bit more confident in Biden. And he did have some good moments after I turned the sound back on. I’m just worried it won’t be enough. Maybe it’s the anxiety of realizing that we’ve actually reached election season.

    • @[email protected]
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      310 months ago

      JUST TELL HIM HE HAD THE BOARDER BILL KILLED!

      And that Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump said he is going to give unlimited green cards to foreigners to work American jobs because billionaires gave him money.

      He should have said both of those things every single time immigration was brought up.

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    8710 months ago

    Fucking no fact checking is insanity.

    This is literally constant stream of bullshit from Trump.

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      2310 months ago

      Let’s be honest, fact-checking doesn’t matter to the American people watching this. The people who need to hear these facts have already been preprogrammed to believe CNN is biased and lying.

      • @[email protected]
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        1610 months ago

        It is about not forcing Biden to spend half of each response regarding to blatant lies like… Biden being pro Palestine.

        • @[email protected]
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          210 months ago

          “Well, we can’t let Republicans say we’re pro-Palestine! Guess we get to gotta support Netanyahu even harder!”

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        10 months ago

        Trump demanded the debate, Biden should have demanded thorough fact checks with graphs and balances.

        I personally would not have stepped in any debate setting with a certified liar and scammer without any sort of fact checking, it’s just foolishness.

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    3310 months ago

    I served in the military, this made me sad for our country. I’m angry at Trump and embarrassed for Biden.

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    12710 months ago

    The moderators should be ashamed of themselves.

    Trump hasn’t answered a single question in 20 mins.

    “I just wanna go back to that.”

    They are allowing gish galloping like a motherfucker and Biden has to defend himself from a thousand lies AND answer the question asked while Trump spews bullshit unending.

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      610 months ago

      Entertainment above all.

      The bigger half US doesn’t care about facts.

      The only criterion that’s needed is TO SPEAK LOUDLY.

    • Optional
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      410 months ago

      I told y’all joe should not have agreed to debates. Even if everything goes perfectly there is no upside.

      Those who argued it would help undecideds or somehow deflate trump - now do you see? Obvious dumpster fire is obvious. Congrats we have to scoop shit for a month now instead of making progress.

      Fucking DNC, desperate to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. AGAIN.

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      The LWV (League of Woman Voters) sponsored the United States presidential debates in 1976, 1980 and 1984.[75][76] On October 2, 1988, the LWV’s 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release condemning the demands of the major candidates’ campaigns. LWV President Nancy Neuman said that the debate format would “perpetrate a fraud on the American voter” and that the organization did not intend to “become an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.”[77][78] All presidential debates since 1988 have been sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates,[79] a bipartisan organization run by the two major parties that some argue has established rules with the intent to exclude airing candidates associated with other parties.[80]

      Source

    • @[email protected]
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      2110 months ago

      Oof, yes, we need opponents for this guy who understand the fundamentals of how he and his rhetoric work. The better way to deal with him is to flip the frame. Specifically, in the opening statement, Biden needed to call out very explicitly that Trump was going to lie constantly, and furthermore, point out that you can recognize his lies when he says “best, strongest, biggest, greatest.” That little bit of verbal jiu jitsu would’ve ensured that it was no longer Biden calling out the lies, but the viewers’ own ears, and by bringing them to conscious attention, draining the power of those statements. (Trump spews lies and nonsense that don’t parse analytically, like that alphabet-soup closing statement, but he’s really aiming his words at the subconscious mind.)

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      10 months ago

      Yes, they should have been fact checking Trump or better holding him to his answers - but to be fair maybe they should have been asking Biden to actually clarify if he’s beating Medicare or getting COVID passed.

      This was a shit show.

      And it was such a shit show that Trump was a complete clown and getting away with it - not just because of the moderators, but because his opponent was as on point as a tree stump.

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    10 months ago

    God, Biden was just pathetic and old in this debate and got steamrolled by a coked up, orange fat ass old man.

    • @[email protected]
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      710 months ago

      Right wing fascists are taking hold around the world. And the countries holding out are juicy targets for a military needing a win