I’m not banned yet because the admin’s at least a bit sympathetic, but I sure as hell don’t think 90% of the group’s gonna want to speak to me after this. I told them I’m voting and campaigning for a 3rd party candidate who is anti-Israel and pro-trans and explained that I could not in good conscience vote for Biden after his blatant and willing complicity in genocide. Here are some of the arguments I encountered in response to that:
- “Not voting for Biden makes it easier for Trump to win, and Trump will genocide trans people in addition to Palestinians. Therefore anything you do supports genocide, so you might as well support less genocide.”
- “Your trans friends will all know that you’re functionally anti-trans.” (I’m sure this would be a shock to my trans friends in my org, all of whom have made it clear they will also not vote for Biden)
- “Trump would genocide Palestinians even harder.”
- “Biden wants to stop the genocide, but the Republicans won’t let him.”
Some choice quotes:
Have pride in your self centeredness, I guess.
Choosing someone who you know cannot win, especially as they’re not the chosen candidate, is only symbolically different than choosing apathy.
It’s just objectively how it works in this system. There is no non vote.
And it is most depressing your friends here at home are not important enough to check one box for.
And this:
[The Palestinian] genocide is going to happen regardless of the two. But the one that’s happening here, that one can be stopped. And you refuse to do anything about it because you think you’re so much better.
You’re right about one thing, though. I do think I’m better than people who give their endorsement to running over Palestinian children with tanks.
And I’m better than people that choose two genocides at once, I guess. If we’re ranking each other. I’d laugh if it wasn’t stupid.
Trans and not voting for Joe gang
Make your own furry Element chat with the cool ones!
Literally the entire server was against me except one fence-sitter (who happened to be the admin, which is probably the only reason I’m not banned).
Suffer not the
to post.
Liberals alway seem to conveniently forget that trans Palestinians exist, and that the biggest danger to trans people living in Gaza currently is not Hamas, but the fascist, genocidal settler state that “lesser evil” Biden is doing everything possible to support
They always like to think of Palestinians and maybe all Arabs as this monolithic mass, instead of a culture that also contains a lot of diversity. I live in a Muslim country and there’s a lot of diversity. There are trans people, and openly gay people, progressives, atheists, feminists, etc. Even between Muslims with traditional values there’s a lot of disagreement.
Yeah, and western mainstream media only ever acknowledge that these groups exist in Arab countries when they can use them to pinkwash imperialist actions such as sanctions, coups and invasions
Have pride in your self centeredness, I guess.
i would become feral
Genocide apologists are turning me into a feral sparkledog
And you know what, I like it
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fine sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Actually yes
I feel like there is some neurosis in seppos about voting. It so doesn’t matter it’s not even funny.
P.s.And they are voting for one genocide instead of zero, so they have roughly 0.0005 (round 10 days I think) of palestinian life on their hands, if we do moralistic arguments
P.s.And they are voting for one genocide instead of zero, so they have roughly 0.0005 (round 10 days I think) of palestinian life on their hands, if we do moralistic arguments
According to their own calculus, every option supports genocide, so they’re taking the best option by supporting one instead of two. Which sounds an awful lot like the argument of someone who wants to rationalize the fact that they’re choosing to support a genocide.
Two worlds: dems eat shit cause of genocide and one they don’t.
In which world dems have a chance to readjust isntrael politics? Whatcha they got to say about that?
Same question if they eat shit by third party margin
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Pushing a candidate/party to the left (if such a thing were possible) requires leverage.
They didn’t understand this with the whole “Bernie or Bust” thing in 2020 either. Or maybe they did, but either way, they chose to characterize it as petulant. “Taking the ball and going home” was a common way they’d try to deride it.
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Fuck 'em. If Joe / Democrat replacement does lose, be sure to personally take credit.
The cope will only become more and more hilarious as we get closer to the election
they were knot prepared for that
they alienaed you by beeing complicit in Genocide , Rape , Appartheit ,Genocide and Elder Abuse…
This reminds me of a furry server I used to be in. This isn’t FF is it?
Nope. Different server.
Quick questions for them:
What has Biden actually done to protect trans people through legislation?
Do they believe that international law needs to be upheld?
Do they think that it’s okay to be complicit in genocide?
First off, amazing title. Tagline pls.
That argument about trans people sucks ass, and not in a sexual way.
“Genocide only matters when it happens to meeeeee”
It’s also stupid because we didn’t used to have genocide as something that was just given (we did, but not something libs acknowledged) now we do. Do they think it just stops here? If you accept genocide there’s not going to be less of it. Next election it’ll be “well sure trans people are being killed, but our candidate doesn’t want to murder homosexuals! If you vote for their guy you’ll get killed. It’s about stopping the genocide that’s yet to happen!”Also Biden is enabling persecution if trans people, so it doesn’t even make sense. “Well he’s just allowing you to be gathered into camps, he’s not ordering it himself and youre not getting murdered by the state, yet. If you dont vote for us, you will be. Also we’re not going to do anything to change conditions.” Its just a straight up threat to keep trans people in line.
Point out that you do not support genocide, so therefore you won’t vote for Biden. You don’t support trans genocide either, which is why you won’t vote for Trump.
Reassure them by saying that you’ll be not voting for Trump more than you’ll be not voting for Biden. Since not voting for Biden is a vote Trump and vice versa, then you have functionally voted for Biden, so there’s nothing to be mad about.
Call them spineless for accepting genocide, and make some suggestion of direct action they can do. If they’re truly supportive of Palestine, then they’ll want to help, right? So they’ll donate to help some people out over there, right?I may not agree with your opinion, but First of all, sir, how dare you
unless you live in a swing state your vote is symbolic either way. I guess these people would prefer you symbolically vote for a genocidal piece of shit
even if you do live in a swing state good on you for voting based on your principles. the whole “voting for third party candidates is useless because they can’t win” is such horseshit. motherfucker, you’re the reason why they can’t win. they’re electable if you vote for them…
Your vote is symbolic regardless, swing state or not your vote is not going to decide the election. Which makes voting for someone solely to prevent the other candidate from winning utterly pointless.
