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    I think it might be the clinical word vagina vs wee wee, but vajayjay still would be weird in this context. Honestly, dont show strangers your kids genitals.

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    I never knew it was acceptable to do this with boys

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    Situation also matters. This appears to be on a bus and between acquaintances. Do this same thing at home toward the adult child’s significant other and it becomes a funny thing parents do to embarrass their kids.

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    Both variants are pretty wtf to me. Not necessarily showing the pictures but explicitly pointing out their genitals.

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    I feel.like we generally give women a pass on A LOT of weird behaviors about children.

    That does include elevated attention to the genital area (seriously, why? Leave our genitals alone ffs), borderline fetishizing breastfeeding, and also a lot of other stuff.

    Like, for example, I had several women independently telling me how baby feces smell nice and milky. Like, what the hell and why do y’all feel it’s appropriate for a casual conversation???

    Or that they love to smell baby feet. Huh? Funny thing I first got those stories after seeing a TV ad (was a while ago) with a woman burying her face in baby feet.

    I can only assume this is either a result of hormonal shifts throughout pregnancy, or that there’s plenty more female pedophiles than we knew.

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      People are too weird about genitals. Our culture finds it so uncomfortable to talk to their sons about cleaning their penis that we started cutting the foreskin off to spare them the embarrassment.

      • Flying Squid
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        This doesn’t make it justifiable, but circumcision goes back a lot longer than our culture has existed. If Judaism had won out instead of Christianity, it could have been even more widespread than it is now. Some Muslim sects also mandate circumcision, and they could be the ones ruling the world.

        Unfortunately, circumcision is a particular form of mutilation that transcends cultures.

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          Unfortunately, circumcision is a particular form of mutilation that transcends cultures.

          a lot of mutilation goes back centuries for human history. You can pick up any variety of mutiliation and it’s been done, scarrification, penile subincisions, foot binding, skull stretching, i can keep going.

          Just because it’s historically common and pervasive doesn’t mean we should consider it to be normal. The aztecs commited human sacrifice, and we think capital punishment is bad enough that we need to hide it away from the general public and make it “sterile” which in reality means using a completely botched medical injection process.

          also what culture “should be” does not determine what it is now, i’m not sure the legality of naked baby photos to begin with tbh, i’m pretty sure they’re still considered to be CP, unless legally stated otherwise somewhere. They wouldn’t count as CSAM i think, since there’s not abuse going on, but arguably it might count as CP still.

      • @[email protected]
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        Depends where in the world you are. In the US it was popularized by Dr Kellogg to curb masturbation. He also recommended a few drops of carbolic acid applied to young girls clits to damage the nerves and avoid what he called “abnormal excitement”.

        Dude was opposed to pretty much anything even vaguely resembling pleasure, he invented corn flakes as a food to be as bland and tasteless as possible. The only reason they ever became a popular breakfast cereal is because of his brother adding sugar to them despite Kelloggs objections

        ‘cleanliness’ and ‘looking like their father’ were later justifications after the practice had already gained traction.

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        This is so screwed, too.

        Like, I was once tasked to explain to my nephew how to properly clean a penis at, like, age of 7. C’mon, parents, what are you there for?!

        Just literally teach it alongside cleaning every other body part, what’s the issue? Why should another man show this in particular to your kid?

    • @[email protected]
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      About smell :
      “In 2021, inhalation of hexadecanal was found to reduce aggression in men but to trigger aggression in women.[4] Hexadecanal is one of the most abundant substances emitted by human babies from their heads, which may be an evolutionary survival mechanism to induce mothers to defend the baby and fathers to not attack it. But it is not yet known whether the amount of hexadecanal emitted by humans is sufficient to affect other humans.”
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecanal

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        It would make sense. There are other behaviours that directly lower male aggression. Smiling and emotional tears.

        Which is awesome for babies since non-human primate males are known to kill offspring of other males in order to get the mother in estrus sooner.

        It’s also the reason women smile when nervous and cry a lot more. I suppose you have to if you lack offense and defence. E.g. estrogens slowing muscular and skeletal growth in the upper body. And growing hair enough for thermal regulation, but not enough to redistribute blunt forces. The reason beards exist is to protect the jaw.

        Interestingly, the main motive for men to commit homicide is dominance seeking behaviour. Men are more likely to kill every age with exception of infants. Women’s main motives for homicide are self-defence first and jelousy second. Infanticide is almost exclusively done by women. Often their own too. Never trust a woman who had a miscarriage with your newborn or your pregnant wife. High prolactin, loss of child and stealing babies is not just a human thing.

        I wonder how the willingness to kill your own (high risk and expensive) baby influenced human evolution. Since it’s the other way around in other primates. Recon it reduced rape to be merely a dominance thing rather than a reproductive strategy?

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          Yes humans, as animals, have many wild internal forces. Horrible cases of abuse (babies, infants, women) were most certainly the result of these. Such horrible stories are then (sometimes // in part) keept (in folklore // culture) and help to warn us about these internal forces.
          (sorry I know I don’t have the exact words)

          i believe it makes biological sense that if a women kills babies from rape, this, over many generation, would reduce rape. But again, this is something that is beyond my knowledge.

          • @[email protected]
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            It does. We also evolved embryo wasting. A measurement to reduce non-viable pregnancies. Except it also tends to dispose of potentially healthy embryo’s. They used to think 70% was wasted. But now they think it’s between 40 and 60%.

            This is a good thing, since it also enables more monogamous behaviour. More sex with the same guy = greater chance at conception. And reduces both male/male and female/female competition. So basically more coop-mode for everyone. Sucks only women suffer the drawbacks of this perk.

            Not only that. Paternal care is something other primates lack. But men did develop paternal care as prolactin levels in the brain increase when men see their baby. Paternal care interestinly enough, isn’t just a back-up parent in case the mom dies during labour. It’s invaluable. Especially to boys who prefer to learn from their fathers.

            On top of this, we also have meno- and andropause. Where people lose fertility. This is only seen in two other species. Both matriarchies where the leader is determined by her experience. Orca’s and elephants. Sticking around while not competing with her own children is amazing. It’s why we live so long. Fun fact. Male orcas only live 30 years, but female orcas live somewhere between 60 and 90 years. Makes that “women live 3 years longer than men on average” seem insignificant huh? In any case. Love your grandparents.

            Anyhow. It’s no surprise that forced mating is so common in nature, but not that common in humans. We are doing well despite rape still existing.

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      women are pure. they can talk about a baby’s genitalia and it’s cute. if a man wants to be a kindergarten teacher, though, whoa, pedophile alert!

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      I had several women independently telling me how baby feces smell nice and milky.

      Likely some instincts playing a prank. A lot of mammals lick their baby’s shit.

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      I think it’s likely really surprising to learn/experience that feces of a breastfed baby (and to a lesser extent formula fed babies) don’t smell like shit. It’s natural to want to share a surprising learning. Might also be good to be forewarned the milky smell ends once normal food is introduced.

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        Nah, it was rather in a context of how cute and nice-smelling babies are, not that it was an immediate new discovery

    • @[email protected]
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      I think you’re conflating fun facts about our anatomy and human bodily processes with something sexual.

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        It’s an illustrative comment though. Our society teaches us not to view women as predatory, and to always view men as such - so that creates the difference between a woman talking about baby anatomy and a man talking about baby anatomy.

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          You are again talking about the comic strip, valid.

          @Allegro took it in a whole different direction, which I think is false

  • Flying Squid
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    Eh. I have plenty of pictures of my daughter naked as a baby. The weird part of this is showing off the naked picture to a stranger on the bus and making mention of the genitals in specific.

    Anyway, everyone knows that naked baby pictures are used to torture children in front of their serious romantic partners brought home for the first time. This has not happened in my 14-year-old daughter’s life yet, but I hope to one day have this privilege that comes with parenting.

    • @[email protected]
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      Oh ew that’s some borderline pedo shit. “Here’s the person you’re fucking as a baby. Hahaha you’re sexually attracted to a baby. I created child pornography just to make you uncomfortable because you’re a normal, non-pedophilic person”

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      Downvoted because taking pictures of your child is still weird even though you don’t show them to anyone

    • @[email protected]
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      My response, when my mom showed my first partner naked baby pictures was to nudge my partner and say "don’t worry, I’ll send you some more recent ones.

      My mom super didn’t appreciate the joke, but she never pulled out baby pictures for future partners.

    • @[email protected]
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      Torture? Why people have such trouble with their romantic interest seeing pictures of you naked when you looked totally different?

      • Flying Squid
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        It’s not actual torture. It’s just embarrassing your kid over something that most people would consider trivial as a form of ribbing them.

          • Flying Squid
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            You’d sure think so from some of these responses.

            But I do enjoy the person who thinks you need to get consent from a baby to ethically take its picture.

            • @[email protected]
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              We’re talking about in the nuddy here, in which case you really should have a good case for taking that photo.

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                So many of you think babies come out clothed.

                You also have this absolutely ludicrous idea in your heads that having a naked photo of your baby is child pornography. And yet none of you have an example of a parent facing legal repercussions for it. And somehow that doesn’t clue you in that it is, in fact, not child pornography.

                And then there’s the Finnish guy who is telling you all what prudes you are. One of the few sane takes.

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                  Naked photos of children is pretty much the definition of CP, yes.

                  A parent is unlikely to face prosecution unless they share the photos, but that doesn’t mean it’s legal.

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                  Thanks, please carry on telling me what kind of ideas I have. Forgive me for thinking babies have some rights.

                  No one said it’s child porn. It’s just that when parents show off your naked baby pictures it gets uncomfortable for everyone, as many here have expressed.

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                  Seems like these people are sexualizing babies and then making you seem like the crazy one. It’s kind of insane.

    • @[email protected]
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      That second paragraph is pretty creepy actually, I think you’ve missed the point of the comic.

      • Flying Squid
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        I’d say it’s okay to show someone your child’s genitalia when they’ve already seen it anyway.

        • @[email protected]
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          Seeing someone naked as an adult isn’t the same thing as seeing them naked as a minor.

          You do see that, right?

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            Dude, this has been a traditional way for parents to embarrass their adult children in front of their partner for decades. My wife has seen my naked baby pictures without my parents even showing them to her. And I’ve seen hers. What’s the big deal? It’s not like either of us found them sexy.

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              it’s still weird (source, i have parents), at least ask your daughter for consent first.

              I’d consider it to be a breach of my privacy otherwise.

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                They’re baby pictures. We’re not talking about something erotic here. Naked babies are not some sort of scandalous thing. In most cultures, they’re normal.

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                  i didn’t take them and i didn’t consent to them existing either. Neither did i consent to them being shown to anybody.

                  Naked humans are also normal, yet we still wear clothes. babies included, weirdly enough.

                  At what point does “naked baby photos” turn to “naked children photos” is my question.

                  how about this. You can have your naked baby photos, you just also have to be in the photo and naked as well.

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                  Taking photos of naked children isn’t, and shouldn’t, be normal in any culture I’m familiar with, and you definitely shouldn’t be showing them to anyone.

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              Tbf child marriage is also traditional, Muhammed had a 9yo bride (it’s “ok,” he didn’t have sex with her until she was 11.)

              Defending things based solely on tradition can get pretty weird sometimes.

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                That’s a tradition that ended a long time ago. I’m talking about traditions that are ongoing. Also traditions that, despite someone else’s claim, probably don’t cause any psychological harm, at least most of the time.

                • @[email protected]
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                  I think you may be surprised and hopefully disturbed by this UNICEF article.

                  Despite a steady decline in this harmful practice over the past decade, child marriage remains widespread, with approximately one in five girls married in childhood across the globe. Today, multiple crises – including conflict, climate shocks and the ongoing fallout from COVID-19 – are threatening to reverse progress towards eliminating this human rights violation. The United Nations Sustainable Development Goals call for global action to end child marriage by 2030.

                  So no, it was not “a long time ago.” It’s “hopefully by 2030.”

                  Also traditions that, despite someone else’s claim, probably don’t cause any psychological harm, at least most of the time.

                  Oh, so as long as you don’t believe the person and can therefore invalidate their feelings without guilt, and it only psychologically hurts “some” people who you I suppose arbitrarily believe over the ones you don’t, it’s fine?

                  Not sure I can agree with you on this one.

            • @[email protected]
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              Chopping part of your child’s dick off has also been traditional for decades, that’s a very poor justification for that behaviour.

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              Today I learned flying squid is okay with this kind of thing and that’s fucked up

              It’s a violation of privacy & consent

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              You do understand that to cultures where this isnt the norm, it sounds ridiculous to show naked pictures of your child when they were an infant to, well anyone?

              It being a tradition has no bearing on it being awful or not. Circumcision is a tradition.

              I’m sure you can find a more modern way to embarrass your child without resorting to CP?

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                Which cultures? And why do they get to decide what is right and what is wrong?

                Also, naked photos of children are not child porn. Do you think they come out of the womb with clothes on?

                I had to clean shit out of my daughter’s vagina regularly when I changed her diapers. Was that, similarly, sexual assault?

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                  I personally have no use for pictures of baby genitals, but you really do huh? It even makes you upset we want to take away your baby genital pictures huh?

                  Is this some perverse form of individualism?

                  Edit: if you took a picture of you cleaning your daughters vagina out, and showed someone, yes that would be child porn and child abuse.

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          Yep, my wife has seen my little baby wiener. The awkward teenage pictures were far more embarrassing though. Hers are buried in a hoarder house so I might never get to see her embarrassing school band photos.

          • Flying Squid
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            Right? All you’re doing is saying, “when I saw it last, it was a lot smaller than when you saw it.”

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            I wouldn’t want to see naked photos of a significant other as a minor, but maybe that’s just me.

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                Yeah, definitely. At best they’re arguing tooth and nail for embarrassing their child in front of their partner, if not outright CP.

                Major ick.

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              Normal people don’t view children as sexual beings, so their junk just isn’t any different than their foot. Parents especially. I see my daughter’s vagina several times a day, frequently covered in poop. It doesn’t register any differently than any other part of her that needs cleaning.

        • @[email protected]
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          NO IT IS NOT

          Always get the consent of the now adult that was in the picture as a child or don’t take the picture if they are still a child

          • Flying Squid
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            Dude, do you think I would intentionally cause my child actual pain? My god.

  • Optional
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    Yes.

    And why do we think that might be different? Anyone?

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          It’s a leftist thing. I am liberal but I do not have any dillusions on how I am viewed by my ‘fellow’ liberals.

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          Because the overwheling majority of sexual assault convictions are of men. It’s true.

          Laughing at a child’s penis still sucks though.

          • @[email protected]
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            Because the overwheling majority of sexual assault convictions are of men. It’s true.

            OHHH because the women who sexually assaulted me didn’t get convicted in a court of law, because I didn’t report them, because nobody cares about male victims, we should use that to further invalidate the experiences of future male victims? My mistake, how silly of me.

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              I’m sorry to hear that happened to you. I do not think that the statistics of abuser demographics should be relevant to their prosecution. That is a different thing to the thing I was talking about.

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                It would seem you think that women should be presumed innocent and men presumed guilty based on the number of people in each respective demographic that have been convicted of sexual assault in a court of law, based upon this thread here.

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                  I think no such thing, and if you got that impression from what I wrote then I must have expressed myself extremely badly.

                  Sexual assault sucks, no matter who does it, nor to whom. You deserve justice for what happened to you.

                  Here is the point I was trying to make:

                  • More men are convicted for sexual assault than women.

                  • Sharing pictures of a child’s penis without consent sucks. Maybe it’s sexual assault. Even if not, I believe it is a bad thing to do.

                  • Some women do it anyway, and they get away with it because they’re not seen as the sexual assault demographic. This sucks.

        • Queen HawlSera
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          Misandry and the belief that anything with a penis is evil, even if the individual in question doesn’t even want to have a penis

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            No, but that is a compelling narrative.

            It’s because men sexually assault women a lot. Like, an awful amount. Children, relatives, the whole thing: 1 out of 3 women have been sexually assaulted. That’s why it’s different.

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              You are absolutely right and this so obvious, yet, I see that you get about 50% downVotes and those might be from people I usually block.

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                As a male victim of TWO count 'em TWO sexual assaults perpetrated by TWO count em TWO different women, “fuck me, I don’t matter.”

                You gonna bring up that I “obviously wanted it because I’m a man” next? Go ahead and block me for downvoting both that comment and yours, make my lemmy a better place.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Thanks for your important testimony. I have come to believe that your case in is an exception but I have no means of knowing this for sure and I apologize for being triggering.

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    Having had four kids, if you are showing people pictures of any baby in the bath naked, they’re gonna be upset no matter the gender. I don’t think his is true at all.

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      No, they are babies, they don’t even know how to speak, how are they going to be able to know what “gender” even means?

      Calling a baby with wee wee a girl is the same as calling your 18 year old trans daughter a boy, you are just trying to brainwash them.

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        This is worst response. Others at least said “No, they are babies, they don’t even know how to speak, how are they going to be able to know what “gender” even means?”, but your “nobody knows she’s a girl yet” is so wierd.

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          Why? A trans person isn’t born cis, they’re born, as you said, not even knowing what gender is. A trans woman was always a girl, but only someone who knows the future would know that when she’s a baby.

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          I mean it is true. For the baby they don’t have any idea about gender. For others, it’s just a fair assumption

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    I would argue the top picture is also a big no no.

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      My mom has a picture of me when I was a baby taking a bath. My grandma made her censor my genitals with masking tape. I miss my grandma.

    • Queen HawlSera
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      Definitely, there’s nothing “cute” about nude photos of children.

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        Dark Arc is saying that it is generally considered a bad thing, contrary to the comic which is implying that it is generally considered good or neutral when it should be considered bad.

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          you guys missed the point. neither should be bad. it’s only bad because of how we sexualize eveything. it’s the sexualization that’s bad, and honestly, that wouldn’t even be that bad if it weren’t for the patriarchal exploitation of sex.

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            Hmm, that’s a good point, I was just clarifying what Dark Arc said as far as I can tell. You’re right neither should be sexualized, but in the world we live in neither should be shared IMO.

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            Still shouldn’t be sharing naked pictures of people without consent and of people who cannot consent

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            neither should be bad.

            Yes, they both should be bad. Don’t show people photos of naked children.

          • Zoot
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            Shouldn’t both be bad? Stop sharing naked photos of people who can’t give you consent to do so.

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              there is nothing inherently wrong with our naked bodies. society has conditioned us to have shame. once upon a time, being naked was normal.

              • Zoot
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                Yeah I’d still rather people not show off photos of me without them asking. Its okay to have privacy.

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                  Yeah, i mean in today’s world, i value privacy too, but don’t you wish you lived in a world where we were more in tune with the natural world and our natural selves?

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                  This has now gone to: sharing baby pictures is a privacy violation because the baby can’t give consent.

                  Lot of very special people in this thread on Lemmy today.

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                STOP SHARING NAKED IMAGES OF PEOPLE WHO CANNOT CONSENT

                IT IS THEIR BODY, NOT THEIR PARENTS AND NOT YOURS

                WHY IS CONSENT SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND

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              Stop sharing any photos of people who don’t give consent, whether they can or not.

              In an alternate timeline where we never had the stigma around nudity, I’d be just as embarrassed of my nose in a photo than I would of my penis.

              Or maybe 10 years after I cut ties with you because you became a massive douche sandwich, I don’t want my picture on the same Facebook wall as your white pride rally.

              Not you, personally, but any body really.

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          I think krippix’ point (as well as the comic’s point) is that the first is socially acceptable while the second is not. And that then suggests that the first scenario should also not be socially acceptable.

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            And that then suggests that the first scenario should also not be socially acceptable.

            Last part depends on interpretation. But most likely yes.

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        I don’t think it really takes a side … just kind of points out that it’s super weird that it’s more socially acceptable in one direction than the other.

        I do hope the author intended for what I said to be the point though.

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        41 year ago

        You’d think so, but a disturbing number of people think the problem is there is a difference, not the nude photos.

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    51 year ago

    I wish I was still dumb enough to be conservative. I was happier than. I hate myself now everyday I wish I had the courage to kill myself

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      61 year ago

      Sounds like a really strong need for therapy.

      In the meantime would you be willing to elaborate on whats making you depressed?

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      151 year ago

      Conservatives live in an endless cycle of outrage and fear, the fuck you talking about happy

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        31 year ago

        Maybe comfortable is the better word.

        That is, anger, outrage, paranoia, and ignorance are their comfort zone. It’s what they know. And in my little corner of the world, the more vociferously conservative they are, the less self-aware they are about it.

        It’s really pervasive in ways I never truly realized until way too far into adulthood when I was working to get that shit out of my own head.

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          At its core it usually is, but they often push it outward. My experience with a conservative religion was mostly just self hatred at not being good enough too honestly, but my personality was never much on the conservative axis. Or rather, when I did stuff on that level I never felt good about them.

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    1461 year ago

    I get a chuckle about Ultra sound images as well. It’s fine if a woman wants to post those photos of her insides on the Internet. But I’m the bad guy if I say “Jessica pop that pussy open let’s see it in person.”