• @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Lol, from the AP.

    Some big-name stores in Paris are protecting their windows in case of unrest as results come out, but that’s a pretty common precaution.

    They party like it’s 1799, guys.

    • @WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world
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      31 year ago

      I want my scalps. And all y’all will git me one hundred Nazi scalps, taken from the heads of one hundred dead Nazis.

  • Flying Squid
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    1561 year ago

    I feel like “the right gets a big showing early on but ends up losing” is a regular feature of modern French elections. It seems like it’s happened multiple times in my lifetime.

      • @bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
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        The far right is making a huge push around the world in recent years. Every time populations resist their influence is a giant win for humanity and the future.

      • @scarabic@lemmy.world
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        71 year ago

        I believe we have it in us but this Democratic Party is a finely oiled machine designed to blunt our progress, not lead it. Goddamn Biden said in the beginning that he wouldn’t seek reelection and he should have stuck to that. Now he’s in danger of actually losing to Shitstain L’Orange.

      • Flying Squid
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        I definitely wouldn’t extrapolate anything about the rest of the world from this. I just remember “Le Pen is going to be the next president of France” being said more than once in my lifetime.

        • mad_asshatter
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          81 year ago

          “The French are socialist cowards who don’t know shit but actually get off their asses to protest…”

          – 'Muricans

        • NegativeNull
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          541 year ago

          Conservatives just lost the UK in a big way. France on course to do the same (not to the same extent). Tons of money (and Russian manipulation) are pushing hard for far-right politics, but they keep losing. Remember, abortion has won every time it’s on the ballot since Roe was overturned. I’m still cautiously optimistic about the US’s chances

          • Flying Squid
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            221 year ago

            You are more optimistic than I am, but I hope you’re right. At this point, my hope is that at least Democrats will retain the congressional power to do something about a Trump regime I am seeing as an increasing inevitability.

            • NegativeNull
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              151 year ago

              Don’t get me wrong, I’m still terrified, but I think the chances are better than the media is portraying currently.

              • froggers
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                161 year ago

                Don’t forget that the media’s main goal is profit. How can they make sure to make more and more profit? By constantly showing you stuff that keeps you in fear and in turn makes you want to know everything that’s happening. The only way to know the current events? Watch our media segments, read our newspaper, read our website etc. (also see 24/7 news cycle)

                • @scarabic@lemmy.world
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                  81 year ago

                  What you said is true and in addition to that we should consider that the responsible thing to do in the face of fascism is raise the alarm. Not crying panic over far right politicians and their nightmare policy fantasies would just normalize them and help bring those nightmares about.

                  So while there is a fairly typical “follow the money” argument to be made here, alarmism over fascist ideologies is also just good activism and responsible citizenry.

          • Billiam
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            311 year ago

            While I agree with you in general, it’s the electoral college that’s a uniquely American fuckery I worry about. France and the UK don’t have to worry about the majority vote being the losers.

            • @Corngood@lemmy.ml
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              211 year ago

              There are so many levels of fuckery in the American system. It goes all the way up to just asking the supreme court (who you appointed) to please let you win.

    • @Jayjader@jlai.lu
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      The background trend, unfortunately, is of the far right slowly but surely gaining votes. We pushed them back to third place today, but they still almost doubled the number of representatives they’ll be sending to parliament (from 89 to the projected ~130 for today’s elections).

      • In 2002, Jacques Chirac won against the far right with 82% (to the far right’s 18%).
      • In 2017, Macron won against the far right with 66% (to the far right’s 34%).
      • In 2022, Macron won against the far right with 58% (to the far right’s 41%).

      IMO it’s largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

      • Zos_Kia
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        51 year ago

        IMO it’s largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

        While i am no fan of Hollande and establishment socialism, I feel like he’s really the butt of the joke here. Whatever we do, we always seem to punch left.

        He was president for 5 years, yeah it was limp-dicked as fuck and it veered right in mid-course, but if you remember, he was basically elected on a platform of not being Sarkozy. The people were so KOed by his mandate that Hollande’s whole angle was to be the “back to normal” president. And that’s a promise he kind of kept, if you look at his time, sandwiched between two hyper-mediatic hard-right presidents, well yeah it felt like the kind of politics our parents talked about. Not great politics, just normal not-sadistic politics.

      • froggers
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        361 year ago

        IMO it’s largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

        A tale as old as time.

    • @Contravariant@lemmy.world
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      31 year ago

      In their presidential elections at least it’s pretty much by design. It happens because they have 2 rounds.

      The first round the far-right option gets a relatively large amount of votes. Then the round after only 2 options remain, so anyone who doesn’t want the far-right option just votes for the only other option. Not sure what happens in general elections, but presumably it’s somewhat similar because there’s still 2 rounds.

      As far as election systems go it has quite a lot of obvious flaws, but it’s perhaps not quite as bad as first past the post. At least it makes the tactical voting a bit more straightforward.

  • Clot
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    51 year ago

    Now the left needs to get serious about immigration issues, RN has been gaining and only gaining, we are just delaying the win of far right, so many issues with left, they need to do right things.

    • ViperActual
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      231 year ago

      Crossing my fingers and will be contributing to this hat trick come November

      • @lennybird@lemmy.world
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        221 year ago

        I’ll vote for a corpse over Trump, but if Biden doesn’t step down I’d bet money we lose as much as it pains me to say it. No data supports a Biden reelection. And I’ve seen no promising path to altering the trends in the polls that are largely a result of an immutable, worsening vice: age.

    • @Freefall@lemmy.world
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      51 year ago

      We are hoping to defeat the conservatives AND idiot single-issue liberals(to end genocide they are going to support both continued and more aggressive genocide AND turn the US to the path of joining the WW3 axis powers…). It’s an uphill battle.

    • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      41 year ago

      America is trying to do the opposite by getting MORE candidates in to split the vote more on the lib/dem side, because to many people in Media are invested in the ratings from the next Trump shitshow.

  • @vga@sopuli.xyz
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    191 year ago

    Lavrov already calls this a treachery, so I guess it’s absolutely a good thing.

  • Yerbouti
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    181 year ago

    Unfortunately, it doesn’t mean Macron will name a leftist prime minister. He already asked his center-right prime minister to remain in office for a while. But the message from the population is clear.

    • Nadru
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      The current pm stays in order to run the country before the transition happens. He has to pick a candidate that the left party will present.

      • Yerbouti
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        11 year ago

        Actually he doesn’t. That’s what he should and kind of said he’ll do, but he can shape the cabinet the way he wants. But he’s no Trump so I dont think he will outrageously abuse this powers. I would’nt be surprised tho if decides to name a prime minister from his own party and offer some “key” ministy to the left, claiming the country is too divided to be managed by what he calls extreme parties. Or put in place some kind of technical government. Anyway you can’t really trust him.

  • ✺roguetrick✺
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    11 year ago

    And Macron started he won’t accept a coalition that includes France Unbowed. Something something antisemitism.

    • sunzu
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      Something something antisemitism.

      What is this claim based on? Got an example?

      • ✺roguetrick✺
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        I’m not French, but it seems to be because they’re anti-zionist with a Muslim immigrant constituency and the center and the right like to use that as a political lever. That’s why I said “something something.” I have yet to see anything with substance but I obviously can’t go digging either.

        An example I saw was the party leader was accused of being antisemitic because he said the finance minister was in the pocket of international banking. He later clarified he had no idea the guy was even Jewish, just that he was a centrist finance minister that he thought was in the pocket of international banking.

        Then when the media reports on this as antisemitism and they complain that the media is biased against them they’re supposedly using the trope that the Jews control the media. In actuality it’s the capitalists that control the media and they’re more than happy to do a hit job on the left.

        • sunzu
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          Appreciate the response now days that terms doesn’t mean much of anything so got to check before before jumping to conclusions.

  • @Delta_V@lemmy.world
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    41 year ago

    How is it that a French political party can get 15% fewer votes than a rival party, and end up with 8 more seats in Parliament than that rival party?

    • TheHiddenCatboy
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      81 year ago

      You new to politics?

      1000 people vote in 10 districts. Their choices are a Hard-Right party, a Centrist Party, and a Left coalition, representing the Left-Centre, Left, and Hard Left. PS: This is what the French had going on.

      Let’s say 373 people wanted the Hard Right party, 269 people wanted the Left-Wing Coalition, 223 wanted the centre, 51 picked a minor libertarian party, 50 picked from a slew of minor parties not on the Right, and 35 picked from other Right-Wing parties.

      In a proportional representation system, you’d expect 37.3% of the representatives be from the Hard-Right party, 26.9% from the Left-Wing Coalition, 22.3% from the Centrist party, plus about 14% being from minor parties. But France uses a First Past the Post system and so does our hypothetical nation. So here we go:

      Riding 1: 95 people voted Hard Right. 3 vote Centre, and one each vote other Right and Libertarian. Hard Right wins this riding. Riding 2: 90 vote Hard Right, 5 vote Centre, 2 vote Other Right, 1 votes other Non-Right, and two vote Libertarian. Right wins this riding. Riding 3: 85 vote Hard Right, 10 vote Centre, 1 votes Left, 3 vote Other Right, and one votes Libertarian. Winner is Hard Right. Riding 4: 15 vote Hard Right, 65 vote Centre, 10 vote Left, while 2 vote Other Right, 5 vote Other Non-Right, and 3 vote Libertarian. Centre wins. Riding 5: 12 vote Hard Right, 60 vote Centre, 12 vote Left, while 4, 8, and 4 vote for minor parties. Centre wins. Riding 6: 20 each vote Hard Right and Centre, while 3, 4, and 2 vote third parties. Left gets 51 votes and wins the riding. Riding 7: 22 vote Hard Right and 11 vote Centre. 2, 9, and 4 vote Third Party, and Left wins the riding with 52 votes. Riding 8: 15 vote Hard Right and 21 vote Centre. 3, 5, and 5 vote Third Party, and Left wins again, this time with 51 votes. Riding 9: 10 vote Hard Right and 14 vote Centre, while an amazing 8, 10, and 8 votes being sent to the Third Parties. However, Left once again takes the riding with 50 votes. Riding 10: 9 people vote Hard Right, while 14 vote Centre. Another 21 vote Libertarian, with 7 voting minor right-wing third parties, and 7 voting for non-right-wing minor parties. Despite these 50 people likely having more in common with each other than with the Hard Right or the Left, because they couldn’t agree on one candidate to vote for, their votes get split, allowing the Left to win the riding with 42 votes.

      End result: 3 Right, 2 Moderate, and a whopping 5 Left. It didn’t go this badly for the non-Left parties in France, but it illustrates how a party with a lower vote share can get more representation in a First Past the Post system. It illustrates why Gerrymandering is bad. If those voters in the first three districts are packed there because some partisan power broker got into the redistricting process, they’ve basically been defanged by political shenanigans. Doubly so if the left-wing coalition managed to spread all their voters out so that they had a solid lock on 5 of the districts.

      This is a fundamental problem with FPTP, so that’s why many of us advocate for RCV or Proportional systems.

      • @Delta_V@lemmy.world
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        51 year ago

        I know how gerrymandering works in USA’s system - the last two far-right Presidents were elected despite the center-right candidate getting more votes. But the margins were tighter in those contests - a few percentage points not double digits. I’m curious about the peculiarities of the French system that lead to such an apparently wide gap between votes versus representation.

  • @whats_all_this_then@lemmy.world
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    241 year ago

    I know there’s still a long way to go but maybe the future won’t be as completely horrofying as I thought. Fuck the facists and fuck the nazis, well done France!

  • @catloaf@lemm.ee
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    181 year ago

    I’m not familiar with France’s parties. Are these real Greens, or Greenpeace or crypto-Russian greens?

    • Avid Amoeba
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      Yes they were, and both the NFP and the Macronists collaborated to drop their own candidates strategically to beat the NR. Had either one of them not done that, the NR would have won. Had both of them not done that the NR would have had a majority.

    • @dcat@lemmy.world
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      i mean, they got the most votes. the only reason they didn’t win is cause all the other parties are forming a coalition. they got 1/3 of the vote