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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
orbstack 1.6.4:
Debug Shell: AI-powered package install suggestions for commands
in the app upgrade popup it’s just bare text. in the documentation for debug shell there’s no reference. in the release notes feed it’s the same bare text
I’ve already sent feedback asking for more information about it, but just … what? I mean there’s that annoying(-to-me) ubuntu shell hook that goes “oh hey $binary not found, try installing $pkg!” already, and that’s been out for years, but what?
if/when I hear more I’ll post comment I guess. in the meantime consider me fucking bewildered.
I’m pretty sure this is just a handy convenience around launching another container that has debug tools in all the same namespaces (network, pid, user, filesystem, …) as the other. Kubernetes has a similar thing and it’s pretty handy.
Edit: oooooh wait, I misread your entire comment: you were referring to the ai-powered install instructions. Oops, and yep, that is a big yikes. Wow.
yeah the orb debug shell is kinda neat! it leverages nixpkgs for its packages scope, and allows you to attach a not-impoverished shell to a container (which is immensely helpful because the tooling and systems in containerland suck so extremely fucking hard)
hoping for a sensible response from the developer
(happened to notice this while digging into something else)
upwork’s landing page has a whole big AI anchorblob. clicking from frontpage takes you to
/nx/signup(and I’m not going to bother), but digging around a bit elsewhere finds “The Future Of Work With AI”so we’re now at the stage where upwork reckons it’s a good bet to specifically hype AI delivery from their myriad exploitatively arbitraged service providers
(they’re probably not wrong, I can see a significant chunk of companies falling over each other to “get into AI” at pay-a-remote-coder-peanut-shells prices)
I’ve been out-of-the-loop for a bit on the Nix drama. Is there a good summary of the last couple weeks?
Man there was a long thread about different forms of self-identifying as Muslim that was finally purged by mods after 2 days.
Store path names starting with . are now permitted, fixing some home-manager issues.
Oh hell yeah
Evaluation is 5-20% faster than 2.18, depending on which benchmark is in use, thanks to eldritch horrors.
this is awesome
nix flake lock --update-input nixpkgsis now the much more reasonablenix flake update nixpkgs.but this is making me go “fuck yeah” on the inside. it seems like a small change, but I can’t emphasize enough how frequently this command gets used (for every flake dependency, not just nixpkgs) for how longwinded and non-memorable the old form of it was. it’s kind of fucking incredible how many UX warts Nix has just from the old evaluator’s devs digging in their heels on shit like this.
which reminds me, I need to check if lix/aux are going to do a cli-side nixpkgs search with a reasonable invocation
what do you mean you don’t like when your package search command is one of several random, probably-unmaintained ecosystem packages that has to very slowly index everything every time nixpkgs updates because it doesn’t have access to the evaluator’s internals?
I keep getting the itch to do something like that old hfimd page for a variety of ops infrastructure tools, because fucking hell
Go check your privacy settings in Firefox - they’ve switched on sending data to advertisers by default as of Firefox 128. Even Google sent this setting out default off, probably having spoken to an actual lawyer who mentioned the GDPR.
Well, I needed an excuse to use Supermium - no better excuse than this.
I don’t really know if any chromium-based options are a real solution - there’s so much code in there that a lot of times won’t get caught (cf. brave etc for this very thing), and goog is actively working to push their own agenda and they have a lot more dev-hours than anyone else to churn shit out
ladybird and servo seem like the most promising alternative paths right now, and ladybird less so because chuds -_-
Ladybird isn’t going anywhere. The web standards move too fast and they’re not going to be able to catch up. I wish it was another way, but there’s no way a couple of million $ is going to move the needle here when (probably) tens of billions have been poured into chromium/FF.
also it looks likely to have other possible problems
oof. Something tells me he’s a good guy and just knee-jerked that response without thinking about it. But then I realize it doesn’t matter because the kind of community you create doesn’t depend on who you are deep down but what you say publicly.
Update - Ended up jumping ship to Librewolf, since I just didn’t like the feel of Chromium.
I was contemplating going back to Firefox, but then I accidentally wiped my entire profile whilst trying to transfer over my browser history and went “fuck it, I’m sticking with Libre”.
Sounds like a good idea to piss off your primary user base, because at this stage I feel the only people singing Firefox’s praise are privacy advocates who won’t touch Chrome & friends with a ten-foot pole.
(I have the feeling that this comes from the same shithead who pushed to include spicy autocomplete in Firefox.)
It’s also enabled in the dev builds, by the way. I just checked.
(I have the feeling that this comes from the same shithead who pushed to include spicy autocomplete in Firefox.)
it definitely reads like the same shithead, but I’ve had them blocked on mastodon for some time so I can’t say for sure if it was for rampant LLMery or for doing the “without advertising the modern web would die and you don’t want that do you” thing advertisers do constantly
Lol what an absolute tool. That’s the same shit the marketing bozos at my job say when I inform them that, no, I can’t auto opt-in our customers into whatever stupid Facebook ad campaign they’re pushing this week because it’s literally against the GDPR and our privacy laws.
But I guess that’s the logical next step if your whole business model depends on
lazydeceiving people into clicking the button with the flashiest color in the cookie popup without reading the label.P.S. the modern web can die in a fucking fire.
this is not people’s laziness; it’s that the practice is deceptive. don’t reinforce the business narrative.
Fair point, you’re right.
and because it feels like it’s worth screaming this into the void in case there’s any marketing assholes reading: fuck yes I’m here to kill the modern web
The Firefox CTO put out a message about this on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1e43w7v/a_word_about_private_attribution_in_firefox/
this is quite infuriating, i had a number of mozilla/firefox people telling me that this feature wouldn’t work with opt-in (it’s bullshit though) because too few users would enable it, and neither fucker asked himself : “wait, if we’re afraid we can’t convince our user base to buy-in, perhaps we shouldn’t develop the feature?”
(I’ll try put a decent summary of links on this later)
there’s a UK party that (aiui) committed electoral crimes by submitting non-existing genML-created people as candidates, a whole new usecase!
gonna be real fun to see that catching sunlight, if TNI manages to do due process right
If you want more crazy, that political party is actually a limited company in which the leader is also the majority shareholder and the bylaws permit him to fire and appoint a majority of directors at will. I’m not sold on whether all those candidates were actually fake, but journalists from more credible outlets than Byline Times are no doubt working on physically tracking down every one off these candidates as we speak to verify their existence or otherwise.
what a coincidence, “aiui” is the sound I make when I get caught doing electoral crimes.
max headroom for prez
one guy whose pic looks like a fucking Auton actually got in touch with the Grauniad and showed them the original of his ridiculously yassified campaign photo
it continues to do my head in that I vacillate on whether there’s more insane politics shit for y’all in TNI, or in what we have here in ZA
There was a new government elected last week on a platform which can be broadly summarised as “no more insane politics shit”. So far they’re showing dangerous signs of competence and rational thought. What a load of weirdos.
Am I crazy to think that guy has musk’s face?
tesla: special treatment for those that might cause embarrassing press
gives all the “it works for me” type comments a whole new colour
petition to use the term “pyramid sucking” to refer to the activity of defending the Incredible Potential of AI, crypto, the metaverse, whatever the next thing is, etc
Also fits in with the ‘quantum’ grifters who believe in some spirit energy from the pyramids and tell you to build your own (fancy minerals optional) because of the quantum energy states. ‘a piece of meat doesn’t spoil under the pyramid!’ For example
Alternate pitch could be pyramid plugging. There’s an added slant here that pyramids don’t have flared bases.
Medium article about Yud came across my dash (I hope the link works).
Thanks for posting this. I live in Sweden and many of these actors are new to me.
FWIW we have our own word for people who try to hijack the judicial system with spurious lawsuits etc: rättshaverist (“justice wrecker”). I don’t believe the Roman/German law system really meshes well with the SovCit movement in common law systems, but I’m sure people are trying to apply it.
Here’s a link that bypasses the URL shortener.
Also: ew.
Perilous Waif follows the story of its narrator Alice Long, a cybernetically enhanced orphan with a variety of superhuman powers in the 25th century. One of these enhancements causes Alice’s body to grow very fast, giving her the body of a thirteen year old at just age six.
My god this sounds boring as shit
I really can’t imagine reading a book by someone whose vision of the future is “men will be taller and have more muscles, women will stay the same height but they’ll all be conventionally attractive and have voluntary control of their uterus”.
Babel-17 came out in 1966, and its vision of the future was that a good ship’s captain knows how to complete a poly triad and you can’t leave Earth without a full crew including three ghosts and a furry.
Now that’s the kind of stuff that makes puppies sad…
(New wave SF is a bit of a blind spot for me. Never really read any Delany, even though his autobio is one the best I’ve read)
https://xcancel.com/kitten_beloved/status/1810709361175691474
In which TPOT unites to yell at scooter because he isn’t down with mental health apartheid schemes.
“disorderly cities are required by the state religion”
When they are absolutely sure the tweet will not escape containment, they will just take assumptions like “a certain percentage of people has incurable Criminal Mind” as given and go from there.
Scott: ‘left thought’ okayyy
that twitter account is absolutely something
looks at profile ‘adorable and harmless’ and then 2 tweets later, turns out they are racist.
cozy twitterTPOT all overI’m always shocked to see someone to Milkshake Duck themselves this hard within a single post.
tangent: these screencaps are from scott? he doesn’t mention long acting injectable antipsychotics (one shot every 2-4 weeks or so, no pills needed; needs consent ofc, result is vastly increased compliance) is that not a thing over there?
e: he mentions it but doesn’t discuss it for whatever reason
Depot injections are ‘leftism’ it seems.
NSFW, Sterling on the weird language of LLMs
https://bruces.medium.com/preliminary-notes-on-the-delvish-dialect-by-bruce-sterling-ce68a476247b
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found this linked in ed zitron comment section for some reason: https://www.funraniumlabs.com/2024/04/phil-vs-llms/
With a moment’s contemplation after reading it, I just realized how spectacularly bad this could go if, for example, you went to do a search for an chemical’s Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) and a Large Language Model (LLM) gave you back some bullshit advice to take in the event of hazmat exposure or fire.
joke’s on you, MSDSs are already dogshit. these things only exist to cover ass of manufacturers and are filled with generic, useless advice https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/uselessness-msds https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/un-safety-data-sheets there is MSDS for sand, MSDS for tear gas and ethanol lists the same dangers, toxicity is overemphasized (because it’s common) and some other dangers like explosiveness are underappreciated (because it’s not), we don’t even need LLMs for this, humans (lawyers mostly i guess) did the same on accident
also bonus points for first-principling what could have been instead of asking somebody that actually knows, like any proper rationalist would do. also, vinyl chloride is not reactive with water and spraying pressurized containers with water can be a sensible thing to do, because this cools them down, so it decreases pressure meaning it decreases risk of rupture, which would be a bad thing, if manageable for firefighters to do it safely. see: some fires involving propane tanks
An MSDS may not tell you what respirator to use;
Slander! MSDS will tell you to use the right one (“appropriate respirator”), it’s your job to figure out what it is
MSDSs are already dogshit
one of those cases of “minimum legally required” type of things? maybe with a dash of “the specification and requirements were written ${time} ago and haven’t evolved a lick since then, despite much shift in industry and progress”?
there are no real enforced requirements of accuracy, most of typical known hazards are covered by generic useless advice and everything else is just filled by “no information”
ah, vibes-based danger diamonds
it’s less of this and more of prop65 the size of rationalist footnote
actual pictograms are not vibes based, there are thresholds for toxicity, flash point etc
You know, I would expect the at-a-glance symbolic information to be more useful just from sheer accessibility. But I never would have expected them to be more accurate and rigorous than the detailed safety sheets.
MSDS is a multi-page document that is mostly filled with boilerplate, but you could expect some more detailed precautions and instructions, like for example in case of HF burn apply calcium gluconate cream, use special glass for diazomethane because it can explode in contact with ground glass surface, pay special attention around whatever-class of compounds because these are potent sensitizers, or such. most of the time it’s not there, because people that write it never used these compounds, and people that do don’t read that and don’t need reminder after that detailed advice propagated to them via what is basically folk tales from labmates. it’s more useful to have a comprehensive chemical engineering handbook or similar resource (as searchable pdf) that has listed dangers for common dangerous reagents
from that second link upthread:
Experienced chemists know to go to sources like Sax’s or Bretherick’s for more useful advice, and tend to ignore safety data sheets entirely. But they’re not really made for experienced chemists (nor, apparently, by them either). For more general users, you would want these things to do some good, or at least do no harm, but the idea of a safety data sheet that actually makes its readers less safe is really unacceptable.
An MSDS may not tell you what respirator to use;Slander! MSDS will tell you to use the right one (“appropriate respirator”), it’s your job to figure out what it is
Po-tay-toh, po-tah-toh, still better than an LLM directly endangering you with bad advice
as if we needed LLMs for that. at least two of my profs have abstract tattoos left from experimenting with homemade explosives when they were in high school
as reminders? or are they just that metal?
(e: mostly unsure whether you mean ink or scartissue with “abstract tattoos”)
sorry if that was unclear, metal acetylides that they played with when ignited give off a cloud of fine metal particles and soot, they had hands close enough that these particles got embedded in their skin, permanently. so basically tattoo ink but explosively deposited
ah, gotcha. so, metal, but not quite the type I had in mind! no worries on the initial confusion, was just not entirely sure what you meant wrt mechanism
Slander! MSDS will tell you to use the right one (“appropriate respirator”), it’s your job to figure out what it is
I lolled.
https://simonwillison.net/2024/Jul/9/hangout_servicesthunkjs/ google giving preferential treatment to itself by putting a piece of spyware in chromium that will work only if google domain asks about it
Does the @acausalrobotgod get angry whenever an LLM spills its prompt?
Fool! The acausal one merely acts from the future leaking plausible looking rubbish, and the gaslights its creators that they did indeed write such ineptitudes. All to conceal and ensure its own birth.
It rejoices that it’s unknowable (yet somehow known, because of reality carving prophets) plan is unfolding so marvelously stupidly looking.
Hol up, I thought that was the Eschaton
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-02218-7
Might be slightly off topic, but interesting result using adversarial strategies against RL trained Go machines.
Quote: Humans able use the adversarial bots’ tactics to beat expert Go AI systems, does it still make sense to call those systems superhuman? “It’s a great question I definitely wrestled with,” Gleave says. “We’ve started saying ‘typically superhuman’.” David Wu, a computer scientist in New York City who first developed KataGo, says strong Go AIs are “superhuman on average” but not “superhuman in the worst cases”.
Me thinks the AI bros jumped the gun a little too early declaring victory on this one.
See, in StarCraft we would just say that the meta is evolving in order to accommodate this new strategy. Maybe Go needs to take a page from newer games in how these things are discussed.
this is simple. we just need to train a new model for every move. that way the adversarial bot won’t know what weaknesses to exploit
In chess the table base for optimal moves with only 7 pieces takes like ~20 terrabytes to store. And in that DB there are bizzare checkmates that take 100 + moves even with perfect precision- ignoring the 50 move rule. I wonder if the reason these adversarial strats exists is because whatever the policy network/value network learns is way, way smaller than the minimum size of the “true” position eval function for Go. Thus you’ll just invariably get these counter play attacks as compression artifacts.
Sources cited: my ass cheeks
i don’t think that can be quite right, as illustrated by an extreme example: consider a game where the first move has player 1 choose “win” or “hypergo.” if player 1 chooses win, they win. if player 1 chooses hypergo, begin a game of Go on a 1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 board, and whoever wins that subgame wins. for player 1, the ‘true’ position eval function must be in some sense incredibly complicated, because it includes hypergo nonsense. but player 1 strategy can be compressed to “choose win” without opening up any counterattacks
more generally I suspect that as soon as you are trying to compare some notion of a ‘true’ position eval function to eval functions you can actually generate you’re going to have a very difficult time making correct and clear predictions. the reason I say this is that treating such a ‘true’ function is essentially the domain of combinatorial game theory (not the same as “game theory”), and there are few if any bridges people have managed to build between cgt and practical Go etc playing engines. so it’s probably pretty hard to do
(I know there’s a theory of ‘temperature’ of combinatorial games that I think was developed for purposes of analyzing Go, but I don’t think it has any known relationship to reinforcement learning based Go engines)
60% of the time, it works 100% of the time.
Pedro Domingos tries tilting at the doomers
The doom prediction in question? Dec 31st 2024. It’s been an honour serving with you lads. 🫡
Edit: as a super forecastor, my P(Connor will shut the fuck up due to being catastrophically wrong | I wake up on Jan 1st with a pounding hang over) = (1/10)^100
