I’ve known people who have been addicted to some kind of street narcotic. They stopped when they got away from their bad relationship and improved their life.
It’s not about what will happen later, it’s about dealing with what is here and now, it’s a form of escapism. Not every case, mind you, but many.
Life sucks, and if you have/know/love people, and get the same in return, it sucks less. There’s a reason to keep going. People who end up addicted to harmful, hard, narcotics and other street drugs are generally in situations that they don’t know how to handle and just want to not feel the way they do now. Sometimes what they’re feeling is depression and hopelessness, or something similar. Imagine going from worried about everything, stressed out of your mind, depressed and suicidal, to complete careless bliss in minutes because you took a drug.
I’m not endorsing drug use, at all. Drugs (specifically street drugs) are not the answer. You’ll feel better while your life implodes and you won’t care that your spouse left or that you just lost your house, job and friends, because you’re so high that you can’t feel the sadness from these things happening. They’ll make you feel like a winner while you lose everything, and you’ll be blissfully ignorant of the truth. The drugs just fucked your life right up.
Bluntly, people are suffering through so much by the time they turn to drugs that they are looking for any relief for the constant pain and suffering they go through every moment of every day. They need help. They either get it from society/friends/family, or they get it from whatever drug they can score to help them get through it.
They then end up addicted and it begins a cycle of violence that is difficult to stop. They need help, friends, family, understanding, patience and time to get better, and often what they get is demeaned, kicked aside, thrown in jail, abandoned and disowned; all of which makes them go deeper into the gaping black hole of drug use.
I don’t have the answer to fix this situation. I never claimed I did, but I hope that someone reading this understands the psychology of addiction a little better after reading it. I am, by no means, a doctor or specialist. I’ve just observed the recovery first hand, and spoken to people who have gone through it. What I’ve said here is the culmination of the discussions I have had with people who have lived it. I’m certain there are other versions of this kind of story, leading to addiction (and hopefully out of it). My take away is that drugs are not a cause, they’re an effect. The cause is sometimes mental health related, or it could just be shit luck. Either way, you don’t choose to get addicted to drugs, you feel like you need to take drugs to deal with life, and addiction just happens as a consequence of that. I firmly believe in social programs for welfare/income assistance (including UBI), and social programs for drug rehab. All of which should be provided as a societal benefit. If people can get the mental and financial help they need, when they need it, I believe we can prevent a lot of people from turning to drugs to deal with their problems. We can avoid people becoming homeless and incapable of benefiting society. Reducing crime, and reducing suffering universally throughout our society.
I also believe that there’s always going to be “junkie scum” that would rather take UBI to cover the bills while they rot away at home, in what quickly becomes a drug den. I believe the people who are actual junkie scum that would do that while having free access to resources to turn their life around, is pretty small. I think that the vast majority of people want to live a life they can be proud of, and will do so if given the chance.
The core problem is that they’re not given that chance. They go right from being under their parents wing to being thrown face first in the dirt and told to pick themselves up “by their bootstraps” and figure it out, by people who hold more money than they’ll ever earn. We should be ashamed that drug use is as high as it is. To me, it indicates a massive gap in how much we actually care about our fellow humans. That somehow, if they can’t do anything that we find useful, when we find it useful for someone to do that, then they’re not worthy of living. That’s why it’s called “earning” a living, because if you don’t earn it, then you don’t deserve to live. IMO, that’s callous and cruel.
I was tossed to the rigors of society in my late teens, I won’t get into the circumstances, but I narrowly avoided getting into a situation where I would become an addict. I never realized, when I was in that situation, that I was literally a bad payday away from being homeless, jobless, junkie scum. Only for the love and support of a few, did I manage to get through the hardest of times and earn a living. Not everyone is so lucky.
Yeah I’ve come to a lot of those same conclusions. And one thing I’ve struggled to convince people of is that calling addicts scum doesn’t help them quit. Yes they need to want to quit in order to quit, but they need to believe the pain of quitting will be worth it and that they deserve to be sober. I’ve never heard of someone hating themselves and being so ostracized they get sober. It’s when they find something or someone worth quitting for or decide they deserve to turn their life around.
I had the happy experience of being someone’s reason to quit.
I didn’t know that was happening at the time, they told me afterwards, but it was a nice thing to find out.
I agree with everything except for when you say that you’ll feel like a winner while you loose everything. You actually know just how fucked up everything is and you feel like a fucking loser piece of shit but you can’t stop. You don’t feel like a winner. You feel like you’re losing everything and it’s extremely painful and you feel like you can’t do anything to stop it. The drugs barely make it any better eventually and then you’ve even lost that.
That’s fair. I take some liberties with it because I don’t have information to fill in the gaps.
That’s on me.
That was awesome to read. I loved your perspective and compassion!
I’m not American, but you’d you’d make a great president, right now…
Thanks, however, I cannot be president.
I was not born in the USA, nor do I even live there. I’m Canadian and our politics and country overall is heavily influenced by what’s going on in America, so I tend to have relevant opinions on all sorts of issues that affect both countries.
I feel like you’re really letting the details get in the way of a potentially very fruitful adventure…
It’s that good huh?
not really. first time, maybe. but it’s the law of diminishing returns.
wanna get shit done… sure. want to stay awake for days on end, fun the first time maybe.
want to not be able to function without it? naw, not as funEven when its shitty its still pretty great, thats why its so enticing, it works.
Op has never felt so desperate to feel anything else
If our parents didn’t constantly tell us ‘no’ for the specific purpose of keeping good shit for themselves, we probably wouldn’t be this way. Turns out, lots of the drugs are great!
Fkn oath. Some of my best times have been on drugs at festivals with friends. I’m not one for getting shit-faced wasted but getting a lil high on a few different things is awesome.
Hey now, some of us can handle our drugs just fine. Don’t judge the entire world because a fraction can’t tell themselves no.
some of us can handle our drugs just fine
This attitude is what gets many people addicted to dangerous drugs. “I’m different, I can control it”. I’ve seen it a few times around me.
Well, I seem to be doing fine. In fact my life by all metrics right now is better than it’s ever been.
very much doubt that it’s a “fraction”
Here there’s roughly 200,000 people who use amphetamines recretionally and about 20,000 people who according to doctors have a problem with their usage. I.e. 90% can use them occasionally without an issue. For alcohol the number here is closer to 85%.
It is true that many drug users never actually get their lives ruined over it.
But drugs are still negatively impacting their health, and there is always a risk of addiction forming and getting out of control.
I live in a country where drugs are illegal, but alcohol is “alright”. Should I say people fuck up their health big time, and many, especially among men, do face issues with alcohol addiction? And those that go for drugs anyway rarely actually recover?
My take: people don’t need drugs. People need an improvement in material and mental wellbeing, and drugs (and alcohol) are there as a form of escaping a poor reality. Drugs are just the way to make the world more bearable and “fun”, to try to squeeze happiness from a grim reality, without thinking much of what it costs in the long run.
You’re right. Poor living conditions(whatever this means) may bring you to use drugs to feel good. After the high ended you might want to feel good again(even if it maybe is just 5 days later) so you get high again. Once you start getting high periodically you’re fucked. Eventually the time between each high shrinks. If you use Alcohol(which is a depressant) you will start drinking after it ended, because it make you feel like shit.
People who have a good living condition don’t get addicted to drugs as easy as people with poor living conditions do.
So this machine is driving at high speeds and is incredibly dangerous and if it crashes while you are in it or riding it you’ll probably die.
Why are people using cars and motorcycles? I don’t get it!
Not a great analogy honestly, you can drive a car your whole life and your odds of dying in a car accident are probably like 1%. Meanwhile your odds of dying, or at the very least having very serious health effects, from using hard drugs your whole life are basically guaranteed.
It isn’t guaranteed. Like that old lady that became 120 years old smoking a pack a day.
Both of you are somewhat right. Drug abuse causes an increased risk in getting a bad medical condition. However, if you always drive faster than you should and don’t give a fuck about road laws(which is kinda the equivalent to abusing hard drugs) you might also end up in the hospital one day.
me neither, but probably because public transport is expensive and not at all optimised
This is the kind of thing said by someone who has never spent any amount of mental energy trying to understand drugs and drug use in any way. This is not a thought someone develops organically through experimentation and reasoning. This is a line parroted by idiots and it’s the kind of thinking that criminalizes and stigmatizes drug use and gets millions of people killed.
it’s 4chan. they have PhDs in trolling
It’s not trolling it’s ignorance and stupidity.
There’s a difference?
Drug use is bad for health and absolutely does have the potential to spiral into a destructive addiction. Alcohol is a drug, by the way.
With that said, criminalizing drug use barely helps anyone - but the distribution must remain illegal.
The fact that you say “drug use” as a blanket statement proves that you don’t know what you’re on about. There are a lot of drugs with a lot of effects, and even most controlled substances have approved medical applications (opiates for example).
You should look at drug scheduling in the US, which mostly captures if drugs have a medical application.
On a personal note, I hope you never have to face the kind of pain that makes you consider legal or illegal drugs as an outlet.
I know many drugs are used for medical purposes, but this is normally a “lesser evil” kind of situation where drugs are prescribed under heavy control to mitigate the effects of bad diseases and terrible symptoms.
US is actually quite lax at times on their regulation in that particular sphere.
On a personal note, I reciprocate yours.
distribution must remain illegal.
The cost of criminalization consistently outweighs the benefit, particularly when criminalization is paired with a dysfunctional criminal justice and incarceration system.
Courts disproportionately punish the young, poor, and colored, which is why you’ll never see a Sackler behind bars. Prisons harden younger people into more professional and organized crooks while they break older people and rapidly transform them into invalids. And criminalization of distribution without curtailing consumption just drives up prices and encourages cartelization and police corruption.
Sheriff’s gangs in California and Texas work hand in glove with the military police in Mexico and the CIA/DEA to transport protected cargo over the border, fattening everyone’s wallets under the pretext of drug prevention.
Sounds like more of a criminal justice issue than anything. It’s important enough to work on it instead of admitting defeat.
Absolutely a criminal justice issue. Its an economic issue (“unemployable” people gravitate towards black market labor roles). Its a health care issue (street drugs often stand in for prescription medication, particularly pain relievers and psyche meds). Its a color-line issue (drug use becomes an ethnic stereotype which is used as an excuse to segregate).
All these tail effects make explicit prohibition more of a problem than a solution. Tackling the associated problems - health care needs, jobs program, desegregation - goes a long way towards reducing the incentives to consume (and therefore distribute) harmful substances.
No one is admitting defeat, they are just telling you to stop focusing in on the symptoms and start focusing in the problem. You want to address drug misuse problems in western society? Start by addressing the problems that actually highly correlated with it. Help for unhoused persons. Better mental health systems. Those two things alone could curb a huge majority of drug misuse. If you take care of the symptoms then the problem will be mostly solved without need for any criminalization, be it criminalizing supply or demand. For the rest of people I think more funding of rehabilitation and drug education (and no, just telling people to abstain from drugs is not good education, just like abstinence is not good sex education).
With that I can agree, while still holding to the position that drug supply should be criminalized.
This simply shouldn’t be considered as a solution in and of itself.
Making distribution illegal just leads to people getting a bad supply that leads to overdoses and poisoning.
You are acting like a helicopter parent. Stop it. People have the right to make decisions about their own bodies and health.
Also you really want to ban all recreational drugs? Congrats you just removed one of people’s only outlets and caused more suicide, self-harm, and mental health issues.
Furthermore not even all drugs are addictive. Classical psychedelics actually are used to cure addictions, it’s highly unlikely you become addicted to one. It’s also one of the least dangerous forms of addiction you can have, and is better than whatever other addiction you would develop instead of if it weren’t there.
People have right to make decisions about their own bodies and health
Drugs are one of people’s only outlets
Don’t you see the issue on the intersection of these two points? People usually don’t make a free choice to go for drugs, they do it to make their life feel more bearable.
Solution? Don’t rally for drugs, rally for improving life conditions so that people wouldn’t try to escape reality.
Not really plenty of people take up drugs for fun rather than as a coping mechanism. A lot is just because of curiosity too. The motives are diverse.
Solution? Don’t rally for drugs, rally for improving life conditions so that people wouldn’t try to escape reality.
That doesn’t remove the other, more sensible reasons people do drugs. See above statement.
It’s not always possible to improve the quality of life. We should definitely try though, don’t get me wrong. There will always be heartache, sorrow, mental health issues and disabilities though. That’s just the human condition. Sometimes drugs are actually the less self destructive coping mechanism, especially with psychedelics. In some cases something that’s recreational for one person, is a medicine for a second person, and an addiction for a third. See amphetamine/adderall for an example.
Why not both?
If we legalize recreational drugs (start w/ weed and shrooms, expand later), here’s what we get:
- consistent dosage, so far fewer ODs and no risk of laced drugs
- history of purchases, so warning signs if pattern of use changes
- ability to tax in order to fund rehab programs
- ability to refuse service and call for professional help if someone is displaying warning signs
- fewer cartels, because why would you risk buying illegally if you can get it legally at a store?
Banning it just pushes the sale and distribution underground. I honestly don’t see the benefits there, especially for the less harmful drugs.
We should also be rallying to improve living conditions. Banning drugs doesn’t help anyone but the cartels.
Half this country wants the other half to hurt because fox news said they should. Your last sentence is literally impossible.
More like a third, but a third of people are dumbasses and don’t vote.
Nice try DEA
No-one wakes up and decides that they’re going to get addicted to drugs today. Your life has typically been in a real shit place for a long time and it’s a “fuck it” type situation.
You don’t usually see happy and wealthy people getting addicted to crack.
What?. Explain celebrities overdosing then
not all of them are happy
For some people, they see being addicted to drugs as an improvement on their current situation.
Life is already fucked, might as well get a buzz while I’m doing it.
If your reasoning is my life is bad may as well take a short term high for long term low. Then it’s no surprise your life is shit. A normal person thinks OK my life is pretty bad let’s not make it worse.
Sounds like someone who hasn’t experienced that low
It doesn’t matter because it will never be a reasonable choice. You can believe that they made a reasonable choice to get addicted if that makes you feel better.
I’m glad you can’t think of a life so bad.
Indeed. If drugs are the only thing that can make you feel good, it can feel stupid not to use them.
I knew at least one kid in high school who was told that weed was as bad as heroin. Then he saw his friends doing weed and everything seemed fine. So then he did weed and everything seemed fine. Then he started asking about heroin.
this is the problem with bullshitting around prohibition. if you feel like people lied to you about weed, they could have been wrong about heroin too.
“What’s that old saying? ‘Beer before liquor, never sicker… Don’t do heroin.,’” -Bojack Horseman
My experiences being around people with cocaine have been at two opposite spectrums: people with shit lives that want a release, and people with families/wealth/opportunities that want a release.
The latter experience for me was an office Christmas party. We shared an office with a law firm, and one guy with a wife, two kids, and what I’d assume is a solid six-figure salary had two keys worth, several joints, several beers, and whatever he was smoking from a pipe in the toilets.
It might not be an addiction, but it’s definitely used by wealthy people. Hell, if the rumours about Musk are true, the dude is on all sorts of illegal shit all the time…
His shit isn’t illegal. He has his doctor prescribe whatever high quality shit he wants. It’s only illegal when YOU do it.
Nah, pretty sure there’s no prescription for meth or cocaine.
There certainly is for meth (for treatment-resistant ADHD), but iirc cocaine’s only medical use is during certain dental procedures, it’s not something you can be prescribed to take home
Huh, I thought only other amphetamines like Adderal were available for prescription. TIL.
It is very rarely prescribed, basically only if ritalin and a high dose of Adderall both fail to help.
Or if you’re rich and have a doctor who will prescribe whatever you want, presumably
You don’t usually see happy and wealthy people getting addicted to crack.
Cocaine though. Same drug, different package
Yup. Wealthy people do get addicted to drugs like cocaine, they just often have enough wealth to either still die wealthy or last long enough to get rehab.
You don’t have to be depressed to use drugs, just curious and looking for more life experiences.
(in China) “yo, check this out, and if you get caught with some, it’s straight to jail, too. Or even better, death penalty if you’re carrying enough!”
Says something about your daily life when this isn’t enough of a deterrent :/
Why are people like this? Shit life syndrome. What do we do with them? Offer them compassion and support.
It says a lot about life broadly that any time we invent or devise some kind of system or chemical for eliminating pain, that substance instantly becomes so addicting that we can no longer manage life at all and it has to be regulated and locked away for our own good.
Life is pain. Even if you’ve gone numb to it, every moment hurts in one way or another. You just might not ever notice it until you experience the alternative.
I think this is what anti-natalists are going on about, that life is more painful than joyous, don’t bring more conscious beings into it.
I understand that premise, but I’d argue that there is more good than bad in life, that while the universe may not care about any of us, there are plenty of genuinely beautiful moments out there, even just walking around your local park.
Death is certain, maybe some should be permitted to exit life early, but there’s gotta be a way to show people nature’s beauty. I don’t really know where to go with this comment in truth. I just hope people in pain find genuine solace.
Why is the phrase “shit life syndrome” so funny to me? 😂
Because to Cynics like us, 90% of life is shit. Happiness is a cheesecake brownie, or a 5 second orgasm, or a good round of a shooter video game. Life sucks, and it’s hard. We have it easier than any other human in the history of humanity. But we’re still human, and shit can still suck. Focus on the small, brief moments of pure joy and happiness.
5 second orgasm
I feel terrible for anyone whose orgasms last five seconds…
Why do people play videos games? Or watch movies? Or eat their favorite food? Or listen to their favorite music? Or masturbate? Or play sports? Or whatever…
For the dopamine hit. Everyone does this. But some people, like people suffering from ADHD, or people who went through severe abuse, or whatever, have a major deficit of the “Feel Good” chemical in their brains, or severe trauma/PTSD. And when they find a way to boost the good stuff, they get “addicted.”
No one wants to be an addict, a slave to a substance/experience. But sometimes it’s a shortcut to not feeling absolutely miserable. And sometimes a healthy road to solving the problem is unavailable/unaffordable.
The worst thing about Shit Life Syndrome is how contagious it is. And you’re almost assured to pass it on to your children.
Or sometimes they already have a good life (house, kid, spouse, dogs, x2 cars and stable support) and instead they decide to burn it all down in favor of a two-week crack bender. She drained our bank account, caught a DV charge and we are now divorced, thank fuck.
I’m sorry that happened to you, that sucks. People in that situation are suffering, and sometimes, they make others suffer too. Hopefully you’ll be OK, and I know you don’t want to hear this, but hopefully in time, she will too.
Hey man. I am really sorry for you. Was there any indication to why the substance abuse started?
Equal parts narcissism, bad company, deteriorating mental health and poor decisions. I had a whole thing typed up, but I’ve aired this shitshow elsewhere before. The short version is she has been a problem at every job she ever held, so she opened her own bakery and proceeded to drive it into the ground within about six months. She hung out with some shady people who did shady things, and got wrapped up in her own wants and desires. She eventually walked out (after hitting me on camera) when I wouldn’t give her my car so she could go “work” (i.e. swing by her crack dealer’s place). She stayed away voluntarily for about a week or two before I found out about the crack usage; after that I told her she couldn’t come back and filed a police report for the domestic battery in order to protect myself and our son from her. Took me a while to admit to myself that I was stuck in an abusive relationship for 15+ years.
Thanks for sharing. Hope you and your son are in a better situation now.
damn… here I am burning my own world down but at least I’m not taking anybody with me.
sry you had to go through all that. hang in thereI promise, you can do this if you really want it. It’s not as easy as that but it is possible. 14 years free of the needle as of last week. Please do not hesitate to reach out if you need support or help finding treatment.
that’s the problem with addiction though isn’t it? if I had a nickel for every time I heard “well if you really wanted to”… then I could probably afford my addiction.
but all things aside. I’ve gone to treatment. been there done that. I just don’t believe in the 12 steps made up by some religious nutjob. might as wel start going to church.
gotta start believing in yourself and that’s the real hurdleThere’s no magic outside force that is going to cure you. There is no cure, only recognizing the problem. The only thing that can change your life is you. You have to dig down deep in yourself, and really, really want to change, and find out what is making you so miserable you have to be high to be happy.
I know it sounds trite, and like some flyer from some AA meeting, but it’s the truth. You have to dig deep, and find out what is driving the need. Best of luck, my friend. I’m in the same boat, and I’ve failed. But I’m closer in my wisdom, more aware of the triggers and trauma. Don’t give up, and don’t give in, even if you relapse. It’s not a competition, where you win or lose. It’s a journey.
I’m happy to say I’m in a much better place, more stable with the brightest outlook I’ve had on life in years. Getting divorced from her and her bad choices has sent my life in an upward trajectory. My only lament is that she is a pitiful mother to our son, who deserves so much more than she can offer him.
yeh that’s a tough one through no fault of yours or your son’s.
only thing you can do is try to get full custody and double down on the love and positive upbringing your kid deserves
Well, you can have all the things you listed as being part of a ‘good life’ and still be in an awful relationship, or have problems that need dealing with. I’m not sure I’d brag quite like that about abandoning someone in a mental health crisis. Its at least sad isnt it?
She abused me for 15+ years. I feel no sympathy for her.
caught a DV charge
Nah. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
Like I said, its at least sad on some level. Sad things couldn’t work out, sad that she couldn’t manage to fix her problems before her loved ones had enough, sad for any kids involved.
You can be justified in leaving and it still be sad. We can have compassion for those that we feel have wronged us, and oftentimes over time perspectives change.
Oh, for sure. It is very sad.
Sorry to be so negative there though, not really my intention.
I’m glad you found strength to break such an important relationship when it was too much. What’s the airplane thing? Put on your mask before you help anyone else.
Anyways hope things have improved in your life.
Uh, I’m not OP.
Is it possible to get second hand high from those ?
don’t think so. either way don’t try it. tastes like burnt plastic and not worth ruining your life over
nasty
Because your knowledge that certain drugs are bad is not stronger than the urge to conform. If your friends are doing it and you’re the only one not doing it, you’ll feel the urge to join them. Some people can resist that, a lot of people can’t.
And then when they try it, it feels really fuckin good, especially the first time. So good it’s life-changing, you might say.
I smoked some opium once when I was travelling and it was possibly the most pleasant experience of my entire life. Shortly after that I was left alone in a hostel room with someone who was dying from an overdose on it, which was possibly the most unpleasant.
We both know this is made up. Opiate overdose victims just go unconscious and their heart rate slows down to nothing. Then again I’m arguing with someone who thinks traveling is spelled with two ls despite spell check being present literally everywhere.
Incorrect this time old bean, sorry. It did happen.
Or hapen, if you prefer.
Pics or it nevar hopened blody wankar
Then again I’m arguing with someone who thinks traveling is spelled with two ls despite spell check being present literally everywhere.
You do realize other countries exist other than the US, right? Travelling is correct pretty much everywhere outside the US.
None that matter. Does it sound like I care? Any other revolutionary ideas you want to share encyclopedia Brown?
Wow, you’ve been here for a year and you’re a flaming asshole for much of your post history. How have I not blocked you yet? Will rectify that now.
Please don’t
haha… what a douche
and yes that is the correct way to spell your nameKNo yew
Great idea. Have done that too.
I think they were saying it was unpleasant for them, not the person dyIng.
I know… what’s unpleasant about someone passing out? They aren’t screaming or convulsing or puking
I mean, if you know they’re dying that would be pretty unpleasant.
Meh I guess it depends on who… amirite
What’s unpleasant about someone dying next to you? I dunno. Must be a people-with-decency thing.
Right, it was all about them…not the person dying. How silly of me!
I can smell this comment.
Smells like straight up natural light and cocoa butter… hints of gunpowder and body odor
insults someone for their spelling mistake
fails at simple reading comprehension
heh, oops!
Oops what? What is really terrible for them? Poor soul has to be in the same room as someone who is literally losing their life quietly?
oops for you, because in your comment you come off haughty and dumb. Happens to all of us though, no big deal.
Huh, to me you come off like an idiot. That’s so weird. Haughty? Give me a break, I can’t make this shit up 🤣
That’s totally cool with me, I am absolutely a dumb idiot.
Difference is I don’t go around correcting people’s spelling to make them feel stupid.
That’s because you have a life. Get back to it loser 🥹
Sorry some of us have empathy. You ever been in a room with someone dying an early death? Also thinking something is invalid because of spelling mistakes is incredibly childish.
Yeah I’ve been to prison twice and seen it plenty. Someone overdosing on opium is definitely a stretch. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say but who cares? Fuck yo couch and their strange spelling ninja
Edgelord cunt. Goodbye.
No! Wait, please don’t go!
Tell us you’re a smack head in denial without telling us you’re a smack head.
Plz I need halp! Can I borrow a dollar plzzzzz!!
travel (verb) traveled or travelled; traveling or travelling
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should
Unless your opium was laced with heroin or fent, I am pretty suspect about this claim… you would have to smoke an obscene amount of opium to OD on it.
I smoked it, the other guy injected. Thanks for reviving this old thread though.
No idea how I ended up here hahaha. Also I’m sorry for saying I doubt you. Injecting opium is a super bad idea. Smoking it is incredible (and it smells and tastes amazing too!)
Yeah, if it didn’t have such a reputation for being moreish I would probably dabble! I have enough going on with other stuff though.
Short of examining their entire lives and trying to remediate the bad experiences, there is nothing to be done other than let them burn out
