I mean I do care about it in the sense that I care about not wanting the US to become even more of a white supremacist Christian fascist imperialist genocidal autocracy than it already is. But I don’t see anything I can do about it that would be even remotely effective. And more than that I just don’t see anyone else who actually cares about it enough to even try to do something about it so what good is me “caring” even supposed to do?
Now I do see a lot of white liberals (and “progressives”, and even some white people who consider themselves leftists) panicking about it. But then when pressed about what is to be done to stop it, their solution is always, always, ALWAYS just “vote for (Genocide) Joe”, which tells me they don’t actually care about Project 2025, they just want to use it as a cudgel to get me to vote for the same ghouls who are blowing up Palestinians and who have let the spooky scary Republican Party get this powerful. But when I point out to them that they obviously don’t really care because they aren’t interested in addressing the roots of fascism or doing anything real to stop fascism, they get all indignant and upset at me, call my takes “disturbing”, “monstrous”, “privileged”, “psychotic”, and after getting that a bunch I do have to wonder if maybe I just have some massive blind spot and am getting this wrong. But they won’t tell me what is actually factually wrong about what I say.
Besides, what do they want me to do about it? They can’t seriously expect me to back a party that loves genocide, but they won’t suggest anything else.
Idk I just feel like the majority of people I see raising a fuss about Project 2025 and the threat of a “Trump dictatorship” are comfortable, privileged white liberals, usually white queer liberals, who have never had to worry about the government targeting their demographics until the last few years. I and every other queer poc I know is like, “oh, they’re going to go after me for another thing? Sure whatever, put it on the pile of other shit they throw at us, what’s one more? Now let’s get back to trying to stop the fascist Democratic Party from stealing money from our paychecks to bankroll a genocide against some of the actual most vulnerable and oppressed people in the world. If Project 2025 actually lands here we’ll fight that too, but we will NEVER throw away our solidarity with the wretched of the earth to preserve what comfort we do have.”
Please Hexbearians, tell it to me straight: Is Project 2025 something we actually need to pay attention to and if so what can we actually do about it? Or is the furor over it just a bunch of fragile white people panicking because they might finally be lumped in with the rest of us and finally get targeted for oppression too?
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I mean, just like the supreme court ruling on total presidential immunity to commit crimes as official acts, Project 2025 is already happening.
Nobody batted an eye the countless times our presidents ordered, condoned, or turned a blind eye to the murder of civilians.
In my opinion, I’m glad when the fascists take their masks off.
Right??? I don’t see what’s “new” about any of this shit. It’s almost like the libs don’t know America has been fascist all along. They are OK with the fascist levels of yesterday but not tomorrow, and in 2 days they’ll be OK with the fascist levels of tomorrow but not the day after the day after tomorrow
Eh, I think it will help more people realize the true nature of the American government, which is a good thing. People really are waking up, you can tell by how hard the media tries to portray anti-genocide as radicalism.
Joe Brandon pretty much gave up the game with that ABC interview when he spit out that “…as long as I know I did my best I’m happy” line
Libs are now pretending they didn’t hear that, but in reality it snapped them right out of their delusional rem sleep and now they’re all peeking at us with one eye open hoping no one else noticed
I don’t care about project 2025 because the libs obviously don’t care about it
Exactly. If libs were truly terrified of Project 2025 as some kind of real existential threat to democracyTM like it’s claimed to be, they would surely be doing more to prevent it than asking for campaign donations and a vote for genocide.
if democracy really was at stake, why are they running Biden?
I also don’t get how they can say “democracy is at stake” when the US isn’t even a democracy.
Counterpoint: they are the left wing of fascism
Internal party contradictions
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Because anyone who thinks they can be president is full of themselves. All of them, maybe besides Washington, maybe, have been massive narcissists. Occam’s Razor suggests democracy is at stake, but that they don’t think they will lose.
Voting against the assholes who support 2025 is the only way to stop it at this point. If the fascists win, the genocide expands and comes here as well.
Voting against the assholes who support 2025 is the only way to stop it at this point.
Voting ain’t stopping shit.
There are other ways to take power.
Following this line of reasoning, Democrats have the same relation to Republicans who are gonna carry out Project 2025, as the state has to the police in charge of enforcing the law. They’re the ones that are even legitimizing the process in the first place, and there is no way that in any sane world Republicans could carry this out with a real opposition party.
Yeah the Democrats and Republicans are part of the same party.
Everything about the project 2025 panic reads to me as DC lanyards scared someone’s coming for their job. Also anyone who works fake non-profit grifts or ancillary functions of the Democratic party.
Because the most consistent demand in the 2025 document I read is firing nearly everyone in the bureaucratic fake job class and replacing them with conservative nepo babies. So of course it’s going to sound like a sudden immediate panic, because the people who feel most threatened are goofy lanyards with media connections.
I think that panic shot a ripple down to every six figure white liberal. They all know they have fake jobs with titles like “regional analytical trends manager” or “social media content aggregator.”
Everyone else who is already under America’s bootheel already knows the game. America is already a fascist bloodthirsty empire with no qualms about exterminating whoever it pleases, for whatever reason. No document or plan is necessary. If America wants people dead, it’ll happen. This feels really reminiscent of the “first they came for the communists” poem. Except the last line is now “and then they came for the wealthy white liberals with wine cellars”
the one concerning aspect about it is that they can use it’s framework to come after sites like this one and queer discords – discord/reddit/twitter will probably ban queer content. I think the main thing to do is make sure they can’t actually target the site.
but like… it’s framework is so similar to the fugitive slave act that I just take it as one more indicator that a civil war is coming. real test for liberals is whether their party’s attorneys general cave to demands to extradite queer people. if they don’t grow a spine at that point, a lot of people are going to get hurt.
That’s it? That’s nothing! Online censorship is not the thing I fear, mass-murder is, and both parties have a history of mass-murder already
can’t do much about the rest of it but the normal organizing that’s already ongoing.
edit: oh, I should clarify. they want to extradite people running/posting on sites that “promote queer ideology”. I’m referring to the dragnet.
Where the fuck would they try to send us, would they just parachute us into Tijuana or hand us over to Italy or Thailand, what’s their plan
extradition to red states, not other countries. they want to do genocide.
And they think only straight people know how to shoot back?
Joke’s on them due to my family’s race and religion we’ve been on the deport list for years, it can’t get worse than that
for citizens, they can’t deport them without a Supreme Court ruling they don’t have yet. what they can do is jail or kill.
They’re working on the mass murder part. We’ve seen for years that what they want is to black bag leftist protesters and murder them extrajudicially. They want this to escalate so they can further consolidate power.
Project 2025 head says ‘second American Revolution’ will be ‘bloodless if the left allows’
I don’t give a fuck because literally what is going to change? Oh no the Democrats can’t get elected? They never fucking do anything good anyway! Fuck!
As someone familiar with government bureaucracy, both personally and from a historical perspective, I don’t think Project 2025 is all that feasible, at least in the short/medium term.
These government bureaucracies are massive. There is no way you can hire some wine mom from Palm Beach be an environmental scientist at the EPA just because she loves Trump. Government jobs usually require things like interview panels to score people. These jobs have minimum requirements, etc that you can’t actually just bypass. And there so many layers of management. Sure, Trump can staff these agencies with his people at the very top, but that’s something GOP presidents have always done (and Democrats put industry-friendly people in there anyway).
But more importantly, these bureaucracies have their own “immune systems” that prevent attempts to subvert their power. Put it this way: let’s say we got a commie elected to president. The first thing we would want to do is “project 2025” the CIA, right? Just imagine how hard that would actually be, and how effective the CIA would be in largely thwarting this attempt.
I agree with you but the CIA is a bad example. I hate how the term has been coopted, but the deep state is real. The CIA is immune to being reformed from the outside because it has no responsibilities to the public, it functions as a state within the state, with none of the oversight nor accountability. This has been the case since Kennedy’s assassination.
The way liberals are talking you’d think they’re 2009 era conservatives who think they’ll all be thrown into FEMA camps. They grossly overestimate the ability or desire of the feds to coordinate anything of that scale domestically. America is a lazy oaf. We’re drone strikes and bombing runs, we’re not coordinated crackdowns. Local police departments are full of murderous pinheads and the feds aren’t much better.
America will probably keep doing oppression like it always has unless something sincerely threatening happens, and white suburban liberals are not the threat they believe they are.
I see what you’re saying but also I don’t see why the Fascist American government would want to have an immune system response against getting even more fascist.
I hope there’s some show trials of liberals I don’t like
Getting a live trial for
with I dunno, Mike Lindell as the judge would at least be very funny.Sentenced to be beaten to death with his shitty shitty pillows.
I was envisioning the scene in the Batman movie where they force people to walk out onto the thin river ice until they fall through but that works too
jumping from pillow to pillow
None of the charges or evidence are going to be what they should be held on trial for
She party rocked too hard with all that jennys ice cream in her double kitchen freezer.
Good morning. To be executed.
I’m fine with convictions for adrenochrome harvesting, fuck it
Pinned for being a vampire? Close enough!
For me the worst thing is the GOP SCOTUS justices. The justices are toxic and their power must be curbed and that pro-Trump immunity thing overturn. Plus - the only way to restore reproductive rights is radical action on the court - packing it or whatever. Of course - if Biden somehow manages to get a second term and by some miracle stays in office the whole time - there’s a zero percent chance he’ll do anything at all.
As others have said in this thread the worship of American civic religion and voting means libs will keep lecturing the public to vote and keep ignoring the fact that the only way the GOP justices can be stopped is by DC dems doing something. If Biden gets a second term and he is forced to give the presidency to Kamala (or he dies and she gets it anyway) - I guess there’s a tiny percent chance she might do something.
In fact - weird as it is - if Biden has one or two “bad days” like at the debate - libs might actually argue that voting for Biden is also voting for Kamala just in case, erm, Biden can’t finish his term. And, look, maybe she’ll do something about the court.
She won’t and they know it but they’ll lie to the public and perhaps even themselves too. Worship of American civic religion and voting is a hell of drug.
Kamala won’t do shit about Project 2025 either
from Dessalines’ master list of awful things Kamala Harris did in California:
they get all indignant and upset at me, call my takes “disturbing”, “monstrous”, “privileged”, “psychotic”
this monstrous genocidal machine is what’s disturbing, and their privilege is to still internalize the ideological psychosis of believing liberalism is not materially aligned with fascism. the actual current and happening genocide is worse and deserves immediate resistance more than the theoretical genocide that will probably never but possibly interrupt their cozy brunch.
ultimately i think it is an existential fear that plagues these people, and they find our takes abhorent because we are the ones saying that the enemy is already inside the house and cannot be excised by the ballot box.
Word. 2025 fears seem very quaint when McConnell completed his conquest of the federal judiciary almost a decade ago. The libs are fearmongering about what the gop might do while the scotus has been ruling the country by decree since Dobbs and the DNC has bone nothing about it. The GOP can rule the country by sending lawsuits up to the scotus and writing law via “judicial review”. If they take the presidency it’ll go faster, but without resistance or opposition it will happen regardless. Dems can’t accept that they lost during the Obummer admin and they’re too ignorant, indoctrinated, and idealistic to recognize it.
This is something I find so frustrating about the libs. They basically handed their supposed enemies victory over and over again and are now saying that it’s up to us to save the country from the disaster they enabled, but they will also only accept salvation if it’s done by doing exactly what led to this point.
For all that Copmala talks about how we didn’t fall out of the coconut tree and need to envision a future unburdened by what has been, when I actually envision a future free of their bullshit they clutch their pearls and say it’ll never work.
Remember in 2008 or whatever when libs were convinced that Republicans were one or two states away from having enough governors to pull off a constitutional convention?
Mao: Political power grows out of the barrel of a ballot
their privilege is to still internalize the ideological psychosis of believing liberalism is not materially aligned with fascism
This is probably why it gets so frustrating dealing with them, because they are just in denial about how decades of doing things their way has resulted in fascism.
the actual current and happening genocide is worse and deserves immediate resistance more than the theoretical genocide that will probably never but possibly interrupt their cozy brunch.
beautifully said, 100%
Why would the Democrats do anything about Project 2025 when they can fundraise off it like Dobbs.
for real, they’re going to try and fundraise off it for 40+ years like abortion rights
Nothing will fundamentally change and it will be all about Project 2029 in 4 years.
I’m not saying the Democrats can stop this but, the instances where Republicans do manage to put violent rhetoric into practice scares me.
Yeah. I wish the Democrats would actually do something real about it but they seem determined to never actually practice what they preach
Trumps been out saying he doesn’t actually want to do it and barely knows shit about it recently. I doubt anything is going to happen.
The “nothing ever happens” crew stays winning
they get all indignant and upset at me, call my takes “disturbing”, “monstrous”, “privileged”, “psychotic”, and after getting that a bunch I do have to wonder if maybe I just have some massive blind spot and am getting this wrong.
This is them displacing their guilt at supporting a genocide for the sake of what you have just pointed out is a fascist non-solution. They don’t like being reminded they sold their souls for nothing.
Thanks for the support, that makes sense
Genocide Joe gets re-elected. It’s 2026 midterms. Historically the previous presidental team takes a loss in midterms. Which means more christofascists stacking the deck for 2028, and do they think they are going to be lucky enough after another for year of…of…
that people would want to give the Does Not Care party another go?Now if on the other hand
gets his final term. 2026 rolls around midterms. Same thing but Dems get more seats to stack for 2028 fresh hellstart.2025 still goes on, unless somone can successfully
the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society.Really it has already been going on in Red States
The major bribers are fascists. It’s going to fuel lawsuits for the next 20 years and it’s going to be a S L O W bake because
aint going to do shit about it and the damage will already be done.So you should care-ish about it in the same way ALEC paved the cookie cutter bullshit we see now aware it exists. Support the legal fights in your state. Support advacacy groups. Be active in your local LGBTQ advocacy groups. Also fuck the HRC. Don’t give that corporate can kicking lobby a dime. DC advocacy groups only exist to parasite off suffering, go to cocktail parties, and deliberately kick the can down the road in service of the
We see you we hear you 
sI’m convinced that the Republic is over. We’ve arrived at a place where fascism is likely inevitable at the federal level. I’ve been thinking, it might be important to start organizing a resistance focused on protecting people that the fascists want to hurt. It’s a little bit of a hairy thing because the Internet is so de-anonymized these days that doing so is likely a watchlist speedrun, and let’s not pretend that fascists will leave the folks on that list alone. Probably the only safe way to do it is to start organizing locally with folks in your own community(ies).
people have been working on this for a long time, but by organizing locally, not online. join any leftist org in your city, even Food not Bombs, or hell, DSA, and you’ll meet them eventually.
There are organizations planning for America’s deepening (but not fundamentally new or different) fascism. Every city of modest size will have some kind of mutual aid organizations, but they are also going to be way too small to systematically address the task at hand. Then there are more political organizations, parties and the like, building revolutionary movements to destroy this entire rotten system.
