Thomas Matthew Crooks, the suspectin Saturday’s shooting, was registered as a Republican voter, according to Pennsylvania records.
Already the republicans are dismissing his voter registration as meaningless. Here comes the “mental illness” angle.
Edit: apparently it’s not uncommon to register with the party you oppose in PA. This is going to be a fun ride.
PA has a closed primary. In closed primaries, people tend to switch their registration in order to effect the primary they see as most impactful. It is not unlikely that the shooter registered as republican to vote against Trump in the primary.
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My biggest hope now is that he legally purchased the gun with no background check from a maga at a gun show.
Close, got it from his dad.
Trump’s already not pro-gun. He passed some of the most significant “anti” gun legislation during his term. Thing is, he’s a pathological liar, so it doesn’t matter what comes out of his mouth. He’ll stay on the “pro-gun” rhetoric, and when he’s elected will enact more anti-gun legislation, especially now that he’s been on the receiving end.
And it won’t matter, because MAGA’s gonna MAGA. He’ll lose maybe a few truly 2A-focused people, but it won’t matter because after 2024 there will be no more free elections in the US.
Trump’s already not pro-gun.
Point of order: Trump’s not anything except Pro-Trump. THAT’S IT. That is the sum total of his actual identifiable personal beliefs.
He’s a demented narcissist and a sociopath. He’s a rapist, a fraud, a money launderer for human traffickers, he’s a traitor, a colluder, and a piece of shit.
But he is absolutely NOT “not pro-gun”. He does not give a single solitary shit-in-a-vacuum. This has been proven. It Is Known.
Once he has secured power the gun confiscations will begin. Classic power grab move.
Yeah that’s not going to happen.
That was Feb 28, 2018. March 2nd, 2018, Trump met at the white house with the NRA, where
President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have reassured gun owners that they remain committed to “strong due process” and they “don’t want gun control.”
He’s a chattering, demented, adderall-swilling dipshit who will not shut the fuck up and is literally unable to not lie every few sentences. It meant nothing, and even if they did try anything, that would be the fastest way to destroy the MAGA base.
Not. Happening.
He was a responsible gun owner. They’re all responsible gun owners.
Until they’re not.
You really think that any of the cultists are going to care about what actually happened?
Their story will be that he’s a transwoman high on legal weed who listened to woke podcasts about Gaza.
The cultists are gonna cultist no matter what. Truth still matters even in a political and media landscape that looks to be ‘post-truth’. Don’t get me wrong, I wish it mattered a whole lot more still.
When it was discovered Rittenhouse beat up a little girl, the story the Right made up was that the “Girl was a transgender who was spying on his sister in the bathroom!” when there’s no evidence for that claim.
I didn’t know Rittenhouse had attacked a child; I’m not in the least surprised.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kyle-rittenhouse-video-kenosha-shooter-punch-girl-a9702206.html - Video used to be on Youtube
Like I said, I’m not at all amazed.
Holy shit AND tried to assassinate a fascist? Why do they keep making up such fucking cool people
A brave and true republican boy, who got corrupted away from his family by the antifa deep state complex, he would have been such a great person, if only his parents had homeschooled him without interference from the communist atheists, and were allowed to hit him more as a child 😢
It’s those damn FEMA reeducation camps
I should have saved it but I didn’t. Someone else posted an actual MAGoo fiction about how a good kid goes to college and instantly gets a hot Black girlfriend who corrupts him with sex and Antifa ideology…
I need to read this. What was the title?
Like I said, I wish I remembered. I vaguely recall the GF’s name was Shondra, but that’s iffy.
I’m usre you could come up with a better version if you put your mind to it.
Was it on AO3?
Someone mentioned the story on Lemme. They gave a description.
a hot Black girlfriend who corrupts him with sex
You son of a bitch! I’m in.
I think I saw a documentary about that on Elon’s new video site, Xvideos.com.
(/s, NSFW)
I love educational videos.
Why is it asking for my driver’s license?
Are ya in an anti-porn state right now by any chance?
You live in a red state that requires a government ID to watch porn online.
hot black girlfriend who corrupts him
Go on…
They met in a coffee shop and she bought him a drink spiked with an afrodisiac (yes correct spelling). Then while he couldn’t think straight, she tricked him and brought him home where she literally f’d his brains out. During this time she was whispering deep state woke ideology in his ear. After cumming back to earth, he was fully corrupted and became a deep state sleeper agent.
Worth it.
Where do I sign up?
Then he got the covid vaxx and the 5g nano microchips got implanted in his brain and made him a deep state sleeper agent.
You really think that any of the cultists are going to care about what actually happened?
No, but it might be enough to convince independents not to feel sympathy for him.
Anyone independent at this point is a moron.
Facts won’t matter. Facebook posts about deep state false flag operations will.
Anyone independent at this point is a moron.
This doesn’t change the fact that Biden still needs those votes in order to be president.
Up until 2016 I could pretend to myself that, when the chips were down, most Americans could tell chicken salad from chicken shit.
Too many people assumed Clinton would win.
Ergo, she didn’t. Even so, never should have been close in the states that carried it over the line.
I sadly knew people who attended “Clinton Won!” parties, these same people didn’t vote. Complacency is a killer.
Crooks was supposedly wearing a shirt for a YT channel “Demolition Ranch” being called a pro-gun channel by the news. Quick scan of their content seems to indicate that guns are toys to be played with and how much destruction you can do with them.
I think the channel is hilarious.
I also think the channel shows off WAY too much reckless, butthole puckering lack of safety. I’m actually surprised no one has gotten injured or killed.
That’s one I had to stop my kid from watching because their gun safety is not non existent but is also not safe at all
IIRC, DemoRanch uses (or at least used to) a portion of its income to run his Veterinarian clinic, but that is a few years old and it looks like he stepped back from the business in 2021? I fell off from most of YouTube before the pandemic, so I’m bummed but not surprised that he’s a Trump guy.
I bailed on his channel when he started making comments about the George Floyd protests in his videos. It was always pretty clear what his beliefs are from a religious and political standpoint, but up to then, he never brought it into his videos.
Basically every single gun nut youtube is inherently right wing. Any content creator who actually gives a shit about humanity would have made MASSIVE changes following… ANY school shooting.
The best you can hope for is channels like Forgotten Weapons where Ian actively refuses to “be political”. He still lets his biases show any time he talks about legislation but he also has very clearly mocked a lot of the “loophole” devices and mostly comes across as a rich jerk talking about engineering. Or (funny enough) Carl at InRange who is 100% in the “useful idiot” category but seems to have a good heart.
The closest thing I can think of to a non-right-wing gun nut YouTuber is Adam Savage. If course, most of his gun nuttery is centered on movie props, not real firearms.
The YT algo also drives the content further right. I keep getting recommended Herrera’s channel, and if that’s the kind of stuff you’ve got to compete against for views, it’s just going to create a runaway phenomenon. If a tech literate, vaguely media literate leftist with a “mechanical porn” fetish can’t stop getting recommended Right-wing political gun garbage, then the average viewer doesn’t stand a chance…
I disagree, though it seems to happen to everyone else. Right-wing content is vary rare for me even though I’m subbed to lots of gun channels.
It’s weird how on Youtube survivors of Sexual Assault are blacklisted for saying the words “Sexual Assault”, but PragerU goes “We should bring back slavery and kill the gays!” every five minutes and get pushed to the front of my feed despite the fact that I mostly look up gaming trivia, not Right Wing shilling, meaning the algo shouldn’t be recommending it to me.
A lot of that is less the algorithm and more the creators.
I Did A Thing/Boy Boy are as (obnoxiously) tankie as it gets and they literally did a “let’s shoot some kids with a drone” video using herrera’s guns*. Which means that basically an entire chunk of maker youtube now has an actual palpable connection to herrera.
Everyone wants to blame the algorithm and… it is fucked. But the reality is that these youtubers (and twitch streamers and so forth) are all businesses first and most have zero problems collaborating with a known evil if it makes them money.
I suspect it is why people like Simone Giertz and Xyla Foxlin have basically stopped all collaborations with people who aren’t part of their “inner circles”.
*: Well worth looking up the “drama” around that. On Boy Boy, Aleks (?) tore into the gun fetishism and basically painted him as a kid with toys who got made if anyone even thought of taking them away while highlighting how fucked it is that some of herrera’s favorite guns are literally what drove Aleks and his family out of his home country. The response was herrera throwing a shitfit and insisting that anyone who enjoys shooting guns can’t be pro gun control and they are liars.
Wasnt Herrera part of a sons of the confederacy organization years ago? You really expect someone like that to be smart. Anyways I find it funny when dipshits throw a fit about pro guns folks being in favor of some amount of gun control. Like im in favor of a basic training course at government funded ranges for example. Nothing fancy just a course on firearm safety and cleaning viola heres the card letting you buy.
I genuinely hope this was manufactured drama. Because I can’t imagine ANYONE dumb enough to let a couple of infamously tankie youtubers (whose claim to fame was flying out to North Korea for a day trip and insisting it isn’t that bad…) do a school shooting weeks after Uvalde with actual child cardboard tagets using his guns and his range and then being surprised by the outcome.
Like, even Michael Reeves pulled out of that video. And that is a kid that EVERYONE is amazed hasn’t been cancelled for some stupid joke at this point.
Eh, thats not just bad tastes thats… something else. What is wrong with fucken tankies?
Or Paul Harrell or,
Massad Ayoub or,
Hickock45 or,
James Reeves or,
Honest Outlaw or,
Black Powder Maniac Shooter or,
MidwayUSA or,
Royal Armouries or,
Garand Thumb.
And those are only ones I’m subscribed to.
Pretty much expected. His precise reasons are what have me curious though
Maybe one of his cultists actually realized he’s been lying to them for the past 8 years. It’s a far fall from where MAGA is back down to reality.
Maybe the creation of a martyr and just accelerationism. Or the shooter was just a patsy
Yeah, hating Trumpism is certainly the expected angle, but a Boogaloo type looking to start a civil war couldn’t ask for a better target. Even if he actually was for all the Trump stuff he might think a civil war is necessary and Trump winning the election would just continue the muddled mess where liberals still get to make some decisions.
Follow the money. Who paid him to do the shooting is what we should be asking.
The mental illness angle will be met with
“Interesting how he so easily acquired a gun.”
What’s even better, he was already on secret service/security radar when he tried to enter the metal detectors by acting weird.
Why the fuck wasn’t he literally followed at that point?
Asking this stuff will get you banned
I mean they probably get like a ton of people who enter the metal detectors and act weird. I don’t really expect that to actually be a part of their security that’s reliable or useful in really any way, it’s TSA security theater shit.
Funny how he chose an AR type, too.
What’s an AR type?
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Armalite Rifle, Armalite is still a maker of military rifles. The AR-15 is a rifle that was pitched to the military by armalite, then re-designated the M-16 by the military when it was adopted. The civilian version retained the -15, and is incredibly popular with gun owners because of the number of components made for it making it very customizable. It is also the one most often referred to as an “assault rifle”, though that isn’t what “AR” stands for.
So to sum up, the “AR type” means that it’s likely a variant of the -15.
“AR” refers to a pattern of rifle. Any manufacturer can produce complete rifles or various components and accessories that fit the AR pattern. Those components are interchangeable. This allows you to customize your rifle to your current and future needs simply by swapping parts, rather than needing a gunsmith to machine and fit them.
“AR” is to guns like “Pickup truck” is to cars. A pickup might be a simple, ordinary vehicle. It might be a heavily customized rock crawler. It might be a lowered and styled cruiser. It might have a ladder rack, or have the bed swapped for a maintenance truck, or flatbed. It might be converted to repossess vehicles, or fight brush fires. Likewise, an “AR pattern rifle” refers only to the most basic structure of the rifle rather than a specific gun.
A gun that’s more accurate and can shoot longer distances.
When bullet goes faster, it is more accurate and deals more damage. In the 90s, the AR-15 was banned but today its allowed and has been the gun of choice in pretty much every mass shooting of the last decade.
more accurate and can shoot faster
Than?
Go on, you started out so strong.
It IS more accurate and shoots faster than a gun that’s less accurate and shoots slower.
Beyond that, you haven’t said anything about it, and you’ve not only just clearly shown you can’t be objective when talking about them, you’ve given just… So much bullshit and called it “information”
Bullets going faster doesn’t mean more damage, or more accuracy. It can mean more penetration into things, but that’s not a given.
It has never been banned in any meaningful way country-wide
It has been the front and center firearm of every shooters arsenal on the news whether it was used in the shooting or not, specifically because it cosmetically looks like a military rifle. In fact the most common used things aren’t even rifles, but handguns.
Functionally it’s no different than several other firearms, some of which even shoot the exact same round, but nobody focuses on those because they look like a hunting rifle.
This country needs mountains of reform, including tons of changes to gun control, but what you are doing is not helping that goal in any way.
Be better.
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“these guns that are different than a completely different kind of gun that nobody brought up before this particular comment are completely different!”
Your grasp of the obvious amazes me.
Do you always resort to ad-hominem when called out for thoughtless comments?
It’s still not a good look, dear.
“these guns that are different than a completely different kind of gun that nobody brought up before this particular comment are completely different!”
You’re talking about the fucking 1990s style Assault Weapons Ban.
And suddenly its unfair for me to bring up mass shootings that took place during that ban, and compare them to the AR-15 (aka: how mass shootings happen today).
Got it. You’re a dipshit who was hoping that I was some kind of ignorant dumbass. You guessed wrong. Learn history next time before you challenge random people online.
Do you always resort to ad-hominem when called out for thoughtless comments?
I resort to ad-hominem after its become clear that my debate opponent is a dumbass who couldn’t follow my earlier words. Because the discussion is over and I’m not debating anymore. You were too ignorant to follow my earlier points and are now fucking pwned.
I directly referenced 90s mass shootings. Of course I’m referencing Columbine, or are you also ignorant of the 90s or some of the most important mass shooting events of my childhood?
It also has a shoulder thing that goes up, right? Your ignorance is on full display here.
Don’t answer questions you don’t know the answer to.
I don’t need to use technical terms like 556 or 7.62 rounds or rimfire to prove I’m a knowledgeable gun owner.
When the other guy doesn’t know what AR means, I must bring down my language and remove technicalities. What I said earlier is the gist of the argument, we all expect the shooter to have some variant of AR-15 given the range and number of shots taken.
The important tidbit, politically speaking, is that this gun was literally illegal to own in my childhood. Do you disagree with me on that?
To prove you’re a knowledgeable gun owner you should probably refrain from framing the AR-15 as a good long range weapon. It’s passable, but not what one would pick for a long range shot.
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Funny that so many conservatives love the AR and one was used to shoot at their President. Maybe irony would be a better choice of words. Not sure where you get “any gun owner…at least one…” I know plenty who have zero and no need of such a tacticool fashion accessory.
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Republican voter and somehow this will be blamed on everyone else.
“Missed to the left, therefore a leftie”
~ Maga probably
Used to vote for Republicans and then donated for Democrats
He was 20. He could have voted only in a single election. Someone said he donated to democrats 3 years ago. This math is confusing the fuck out of me.
Unfortunately I think what we’re going to learn is that he’s one of those people that register Republican to vote in their primaries to choose the weakest candidate giving Democrats a better chance.
Either way I unfortunately think this is going to give Trump yet another boost… God knows that’s what we needed…
That’s possible. Because we damn sure aren’t going to learn that people are more complicated than a simple black & white label.
If this comes across as argumentative, I don’t mean it that way. It’s just pure cynicism.
I read a snippit that in PA, it’s not uncommon to register for the other party. More than likely, he really was a dem/non repub.
He’s pro-gun and we can point out the dangers of that alone.
20 year olds don’t have wealth to reasonably donate to an election.
17 year olds, supposedly. (I can’t verify the three years ago, so grain of salt.)
This doesn’t really make sense and we might just have to wait for actual details from the investigation.
Some people are saying $10, which is a lot more to a kid than to an adult. But kids can afford $10.
EDIT: $15 to more reliable sources. Still in the rough ballpark tho
A person with his name donated $15 on the day Biden was inaugurated, when he was 17.
Fox News: “Biden campaign received illegal campaign donation from shooter.”
With just the same first and last name, where as the Republican party registration had other corroborating data, such as middle initial, address, and date of birth.
So the donation is nowhere near as solid as the Republican party registration.
Apprently that was a differnet person in Philly that shares his first and last name.
The donation? Source on that? Not doubting you
Edit: I am now doubting you. Found the FEC filing and it lists a Bethel Park, PA zip code.
Edit 2: I was asked for my source: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/fe91e6ba36695009/ac182c3a-full.pdf
Can you share that source?
NYTimes, so there’s a paywall. It links to the FEC (wouldn’t load on mobile for me but the FEC page did fully load on my desktop).
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks.html
Edit: actually, the article has been updated since I read it. It no longer links to the FEC, just a NYT screenshot:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/fe91e6ba36695009/ac182c3a-full.pdf
Though it says Pitt, the zip is a Bethel Park zip
A voter-registration record showed Mr. Crooks’s Republican registration, though federal campaign-finance records show he donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project, a liberal voter turnout group, through the Democratic donation platform ActBlue in January 2021.
Where as the Republican party registration has other corroborating information listed, the donation doesn’t have anything other than the same first and last name. So it’s not confirmed to be the same guy yet.
Name, job, and zip code. Find me another guy living in Bethel Park with the same name who was unemployed in 2021 (edit: Bethel Park has 4 zip codes, so not even all of Bethel Park. People really think there’s another guy with such a unique name in town? None of his relatives share the same name, so an unrelated guy?)
The street address is registered to his father.
He lives there too. Without doxing anyone or putting their info on here, you can read in the news that they all live together (dad, mom, son. Sister moved out a couple years ago)
Lots of noise right now. Dont have a source past a random comment, so doubt is warranted.
Biden’s next presser:
Fuck Donald Trump, fuck Don Jr., fuck Trump’s staff, his business company and as a motherfucking candidate!
And if you want to be down with MAGA Trump, then fuck you too! Barron XL: fuck you too! All you motherfuckers, fuck you too!
What about Eric?
Who???
The 20-year old suspect involved in yesterday’s shooting at Donald Trump’s rally was reportedly bullied relentlessly, the local Pennsylvania outlet KDKA reports.
That really sucks.
I highly suggest everyone in this thread read Angry White Men by Michael Kimmel. HIGHLY suggest you read it to understand the kind of person in America that does this and why.
He probably is a registered Republican. He’s a kid. His dad probably made him register Republican. His dad bought him the gun.
What are the odds he hates his father and blames Trump for turning his dad into a soft-brain conspiracy-minded dumbass, filled with hate?
Listen, while I don’t know exactly what his circumstances were, I agree he probably didn’t like the convicted felon, alleged by victims child rapist and ex president Donald Trump. I share that hunch with you.
The guy was 20…he is an adult.
Nah I’ve been told here on lemmy that 20yr olds are kids.
But I’ve also had comments removed for being “ageist” for pointing out 20yr olds have virtually no life experience.
Old enough to vote …to young to drink. He’s still a kid in my book until he can buy a round at the bar
People in this post thinking that any fact will matter to the MAGA base…
“ReGiSteReD RePuBliCaNs aRe AnTiFa!!!”
Yup even if it turns out it was the father of one of the children trump raped, they won’t care.
MAGA will spin this… He was a plant, he was hired by Biden, he was a sleeper agent meant to sow discord in the GOP…
Whatever fox does with this story, the MAGA people will believe it.
He was hired by Trump to miss, but “make it look good”, and killed for being a “loose end”
Thank god this is getting muddled.
I’ll take a win where I can. The election is too close for comfort now (or even leaning towards a Trump victory right now). We have time to change that, but we need to recognize the threat is growing right now.
just another case of Republican on Republican violence
How is voter registration even a thing. wtf
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You can register as Unaffiliated fwiw, you don’t have to choose Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Independant. It’s mainly a choice of which primary to vote in anyway.
republicans need barriers for people of color, poor people and young people traditionally to avoid full participation in democracy. In this modern time, some states actually still require you to print paper applications and mail them to your Secretary of State’s office at the post office with a physical stamp to register to vote… The list of individual barriers to completion within those seemingly small actions can not be overstated, especially to young people who on average don’t own home printers and may have literally never bought a stamp or mailed a physical letter.
For primaries, parties may close their primaries to only registered members of the party to vote in
Can’t have homeless people or people with limited means actually voting. A republican would never win again.
Its for the parties themselves.
But to answer your question, theres intentionally no list of citizens. The only way to verify that they can vote is registration, unless you want a passport or birth cert or whatever
Any time you apply for a driver’s license or whatever, you are asked if you want to register with a party. That is the party that you will vote for in the primary elections. Some (many?) states offer same day registration which, in my opinion, is how it should be. It puts you in a database in case voter fraud ACTUALLY happens (insanely rare) where they can check to make sure Ur Quell only voted once and investigate what happened if they see multiple votes.
As for the primaries: This is how the US handles our version of Ranked Choice and… I kind of prefer it (with some major caveats). The general idea is that all right wing politicians should run for the republican seat and all sane people for the Democrat seat. You campaign at the tail end of the previous year and the party members vote on you in the spring. There is definitely some sketchiness with super delegates (although, that is not overly dissimilar from how many parliament systems pick a Prime Minister), but this creates a unified front come November.
Yes, two party systems are bad, but that is what things tend to converge on when push comes to shove. Just look at France where the Left more or less unified to stand a chance against fascism.
Like almost every aspect of the US government: it is a fundamentally good system that needs to be iterated on and better taught to the populace. It is just that republicans know that education hurts them and want to take advantage of all the loopholes that Tommy Jefferson obviously intentionally wrote while he was raping his plantation full of slaves.
Thanks for the lengthy reply :)
https://x.com/ThePatriotOasis/status/1812348501868556704 He also said “I hate republicans. I hate Trump”
Someone said that wasn’t him? It sure looks like him though. Couldn’t see some random dude looking like him and posting that.
Grand. So we’ll find out what his affiliations are.
The heck does “they got the wrong guy” mean? Is this someone else? Was this recorded after the shooting?
Not him. This is a known troll x.com/jewgazing
That’s supposedly a troll who resembles the shooter. Let’s vet sources a little more before just blindly posting things.
Nobody uses Twitter anymore retard
Not him. This is a known troll x.com/jewgazing
He definitely could be Republican and I would not dismiss it at all. However, in the state of Pennsylvania it’s common to register for the party primaries of the opposing party whose candidate is someone you’re not in favor of and vote for someone else. It should be clear this does not mean he’s not a Republican or imply that he might be a Democrat. It’s only to add some context.
Source: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_elections_in_Pennsylvania
I wouldn’t say it’s common, that’s misleading. some people do it, probably, but I’ve lived in PA for 2 decades and have never met anyone who has claimed to do so nor have I seen any actual statistics on the matter
That’s fair, you’re right as I haven’t seen statistics either. While I don’t do it myself, I’ve seen many speak about doing this over the years though I’ve only lived in PA for a little over a decade.
Edit: autocorrect
As much as I’ve heard this parroted in multiple places since yesterday, I think this is just a talking point to edge towards it. In another couple of days it wont be maybe. It’s directed to make it a left vs right, while, what’s so outrageous about him being Republican and not liking Trump? It’s not like there hasn’t been a huge divide in the Republican party, so much so that we have the “alt right”
My older sister has been doing it since the 80s. I don’t think there’s very many of them because assholes keep winning the Republican primaries
He also has donated to Democratic cause three years ago. Might not mean anything but we’ll see if they better figure out this guy.
… it would been a whole lot easier if he hadn’t been shot dead.
Dunno how they would’ve done that, wasn’t he shot from another roof by a sniper while he was still posing an active threat? That’s the image I got from some articles
If law enforcement sees a guy on a rooftop with a gun threatening a crowd of people, though, that’s an acceptable situation for “shoot first, ask questions later”. That shot that killed the guy probably saved other lives.
Non-lethal shots are a possibility.
They’re less lethal, not non lethal, and they’re frequently used as an excuse to escalate violence needlessly. I’m very critical of the use of their use of force and would generally prefer police to be unarmed, but this is not a situation where I have any complaints. That threat needed to be neutralized as quickly and effectively as possible. Overwhelming force was the best way to do that.
Was overwhelming force used? It sounded like one person going up a ladder and retreating, before the guy got shot(s) away.
No one in the history of actual combat shooting is taught to take non lethal shots. Ever.
Combat shooting? It’s not a warzone. Come to Europe, mate.
What do you mean with combat shooting? Because here in Finland police is trained to (and required by law) to try to minimize the damage and if possible, to stop someone without killing them, usually by shooting at the legs etc. But that’s more for knife fielding attacker and other situation where such shots are more possible and not when the cops or others are being shot at
I mean US military and police training.
There was an era where some cops were trained to shoot at limbs but even cops knew to ignore that shit.
It’s the normal procedure here in Finland to try to take someone down with shooting in the legs or somewhere else that they might survive from. Not the case if they start shooting of course, it’s more for situation where they’re wielding a knife and coming for the cop or someone else
Idk what your talking about. You shoot the gun out of the hand. Then you shoot the hat off for intimidation and the somewhere nearby you shoot the rope of someone getting hanged to free them to kinda balance things out. This is all common sense.
I cannot argue with your rootin’ tootin’ shootin’ logic.
Non-lethal shots are a fantasy.
You have plenty of blood vessels in your limbs and it is very easy to bleed out via the femoral artery or whatever else. This is literally why tourniquets exist
Assuming it is an actual threat and not a black kid with a toy train: Shoot to kill and then, when it is safe, have EMTs try to keep them alive.
Not in the real world they’re not.
If you’re standing 20 feet in front of the guy, yes. If your only shot is across a field from one rooftop to another, you have much less control over where the bullet hits.
At those distances (200-300 meters going by the map i saw) with professional shooters they can put multiple rounds inside of a spot the size of a dime. That isn’t the point though, you shoot to kill in those situations. Non lethal shots are hollywood shit.
Or what happens in places outside of the US.
Is that what happened?
They also allow people to keep shooting.
That is some Hollywood shit, in real life you shoot until the threat is neutralized, it could have been another las vegas
Yes, one of the rules of gun safety is that you don’t point your gun at anything you don’t intend to kill.
They usually don’t. See: Europe.
Ok, well you feel free to try and wound someone in that situation if you’re ever in it, hopefully no one else dies because of it.
