The motive behind Jovanovic’s actions was reportedly her fear that motherhood would jeopardise her professional career as a lawyer for a prestigious car brand.
We need to make it so women don’t have to feel this way…I thought Germany was fairly progressive like that, but obviously not enough.
No amount of progressivism can stop people from getting mental illnesses.
You can give someone access to all the help they need, but if they don’t seek it out, there’s not much you can do about it. It sounds like post partum depression may have played a role, that is real, but you can’t force someone into treatment.
She threw the baby off the window 10 minutes after giving birth.
Spawn killer
Interesting take. I wonder if the headline was:
“New Father and former Porsche Executive Throws Newborn Off Balcony”
Your first thoughts would be how the system failed him and that Germany needs to do more to support fathers.
Not sure what your point is.
Pretty sure it’s “fuck feminism”. I’ve seen this plenty of times before.
Their point is to call out the sexist take in feigning sympathy for a child murderer when we all know the world wouldn’t do that shit if it was a man.
Just brainless strawman shit then.
Calling out sexism in society isn’t strawmaning.
You aren’t calling out sexism, you are just inventing situations to get angry about.
Lmfao when men have to go through childbirth and have post partum depression then you’ll have a point.
Until then, have fun winning arguments you made up in the shower you goof.
Men can go through those things.
And what about women who never have children?
What a terrible argument you’ve presented.
It is a bit depressing how many guys in this thread don’t understand what pregnancy and childbirth can do to someone. Side effects may include: suicidal and homicidal urges. Google Postpartum Psychosis and Postpartum Depression.
Everyone is asking but why didn’t she act in a sane way and give it up for adoption? Well, there are good odds she needed something prescribed to her to allow her to be sane. Pregnant people’s bodies are undergoing major chemical changes, labor opens the floodgates. Which is why it is very important to make it easy and stigma free to let everyone out of the queue who does not want to ride the ride, and make healthcare accessible to those that do.
I hope you’ll agree with me that there are alternatives before throwing your newborn baby off the window as if it was a fucking napkin.
Even abandoning it in front of a church is more humane than what this bitch did.
Who throws napkins out the window?
Strictly speaking it is not as bad as throwing a baby out of one.
Don’t know this lady’s story. But post natal psychosis is a real tragic thing that can happen. This isnt the action of someone possessing their faculties.
Why when abortion is available would you carry to term -and then so impulsively act? If for whatever reason she didn’t want the baby and couldn’t get the abortion, she had months to come up with a better plan than ‘throw it out a window’. Either she was undiagnosed with something the whole time, or the birth triggered a psychological episode imo.
Yes, she’s obviously seriously disturbed, but the situation of women either having a career or family is the driver behind her actions. There needs to be systematic support so women can have the same opportunities as men.
Apparently the career narrative is something the prosecutors put forward. She yeeted the baby just a few minutes after giving birth, there was something else going on here. If she was clear of mind and still wanted to kill the baby because of her career I’m sure this would not have been the first option.
Literally why she did it, but bring on the downvotes. Fuck this place is getting like Reddit.
“literally”
Just making stuff up and misinterpreting the headline without reading the article. You’re right, this is like Reddit!
I think that’s just what the prosecution alleges at this stage.
I mean sure but I think there’s a few extra steps between “feeling” this way and fucking doing it.
I guess she didn’t think infanticide would hurt it? She’s clearly not a good lawyer.
This is sad, and it’s a shame the prosecutors are only going to be interested in a conviction. This woman is obviously suffering, and needs medical help for her postpartum depression.
I’m not sure she’s actually wrong in the part about it Jeopardizing her career, because let’s face it sometimes that’s true. However did that not occur to her before she had the child? Surely she should have known that and not had a kid if that was her main priority.
Or, she’s a lawyer for a luxury car company…
So hire a god damn nanny?
You’re a fucking lawyer for a prestigious car brand. Surely hiring a god damn nanny was a better solution than child murder?
Take a week off, go to the hospital to get yourself and baby checked out. While in hospital, order a car seat. They’ll probably give you some diapers and an outfit or blanket.
Then, when you leave the hospital, head to fire dept and place baby in the “need a baby, take a baby, have a baby, leave a baby” box.
I know you’re being facetious, but this was in Germany where workers actually have rights to take a week off, and healthcare is freer than breadsticks.
That’s sad that your first assumption was that I was joking because I said “take a week off” and “go to the hospital”. Not a statement about you but about the state of things in some areas.
Though it’s also sad that I silently assumed those weren’t outlandish suggestions because she was a lawyer (though, as a Canadian, I did forget for a moment that “go to the hospital” might be a showstopper rather than the minimum level of care a parent who doesn’t want their surprise baby should do before abandoning it at the fire dept).
The only part that I had intended as tongue in cheek was the “leave a baby, take a baby” bit. The comment was intended as a “this is a better way to handle this than dropping the baby out of the nearest window that doesn’t involve having to take care of the baby at all, beyond a week of dealing with it with a minimum level of responsibly.”
Alternatively, put the baby in a box with a towel, drop it off in a location where it can survive 5 minutes and call 911 to that location. Or call an adoption agency.
What the fuck
Exactly…
What the fuck I just read ?
Sounds pretty awful, but remember that prosecutors don’t have ESP. So “prosecutors claim she didn’t want to jeopardize her career” is not the same as “she didn’t want to jeopardize her career”.
It’s not like she wrote in her diary “Today I killed my newborn because I thought it would interfere with work.”
Yea I don’t think many are as focused on the motivation part as much as the lady defenestrating a fuckin baby.
defenstrating!
Now there’s a word you don’t get to use very often!
Unless you follow Russian news!
“Funny” list to look at if you are bored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)#Suspicious_deaths
Lots of uses of the word “window” in there
That’s fair. Pure unfounded speculation: I wonder if there was an element of post partum psychosis.
Gee do you think?
" Hoech claimed Jovanovic was unaware of her pregnancy and overwhelmed by the sudden birth."
How can one unaware of her pregnancy until give birth ?You think you would notice missing 9 periods, having your entire nipple area change color and produce milk, need to go pee every thirty minutes, feet swelling, rapid temperature changes, focus problems, food cravings, vomiting for three months, odor sensitivities, not being able to tie your shoes, weird fast reflexes, urge to take on home repair projects, and skin changes.
But I am positive someone here will tell me about their friend’s cousin former yoga instructor’s roommate who didn’t notice for some reason and act like this is the norm
It’s not the norm but it’s also not unheard of.
No joke I have a friend of mine who just went to sleep one night and woke up with a baby covered in blood crying on her bed, umbilical chord still attached… Glad she doesn’t roll over in her sleep
My guess: didn’t know she was pregnant until very late. Options were dwindling or nil. She was completely and insanely career obsessed and career-anxious.
Arrives the last month or two. Pregnancy is hard to ignore then, but it was probably daily terror and panic as she didn’t know what to do. She probably felt cornered, insane with anxiety and barely holding it together in a field that doesn’t give you any room for error.
By the time she has to deliver, her brain is likely already pure soup from the anxiety, obsessing with how she can’t handle it, how it can’t be happening, how she can’t be a mother, doesn’t want to be a mother, can’t - not doesn’t want to, but can’t! CAN’T you understand?! - stop to work.
So she delivers secretly. By this point she’s too far gone, mentally a complete mess, insane, unstable.
So she kills her newborn.
Not as a heinous premeditated act of hatred, violence and mischief, but as a completely insane act of post partum depression, psychosis, work related anxiety and sheer craziness.
She didn’t choke or shake the baby then dug a grave at night - she didn’t do some elaborate crime and elaborate body-hiding shenanigans.
She threw. The. Baby. Out. Her. Own. Window.
And she’s a lawyer.
There was no attempt whatsoever to not get caught or to act surreptitiously.
Just pure terror, psychosis and a horrible, tragic impulse that ended up terminating a new life and ruining another.
Sorry i got carried away lyrically lol.
Yeah the title doesn’t mention that she gave birth in secret and threw the baby out her window 10 minutes later…
Yeah this is a pretty important detail I think.
German-language media says that she claims to not have known that she was pregnant, her Internet search history showed she likely did. Defense said that she was traumatized and had suppressed that she knew. Psychiatric evaluation says she was fully accountable. It’s kinda obvious that there was something very wrong going on, though.
I know. I need eye bleach after reading that headline.
They don’t have birth control in Germany?
Abortion.
They don’t have adoption in Germany?
That too, but if I were this adamant about having kids, I’d make damn sure I don’t have one in the first place.
And you know the pregnancy was by choice, ie: she wasn’t raped?
We have both. And the possibility to leave the new born at a (I think mostly) hospital anonymously
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch
I don’t think this was a rational decision. She should and will face consequences, but I don’t think she did it thinking straight.
Well, that is mind-blowingly awful.
Let’s set aside motive and treat this woman’s obvious problem with her mental health. The last thing she needs is criminal proceedings and punishment that achieves nothing apart from getting conservative dicks hard.
Fuck dude.
I know, I’m awful. At least I had the decency to edit out the last panels.
I think that makes it even better. Fucking dark, but still funny because we all knew right away what the last panel would look like were it there…
It makes the joke just that much more of an oof tho.
10/10 my friend
Please repost that as its own meme, this is gold!
WDYM “its own meme”? Comedy is all about context, and this meme is only perfect because it’s in the context of this story.
Generally sure, but I think part of the context that makes this funny is the meme format itself, which is why I think it would also work without the context of this post.
Ok I legitimately laughed at this. Well done, sir.
As fucked up as this is, there’s so little information given by this article that I can’t even form an opinion on it.
Feels clickbait but it got me going for a minute haha
My current take is babies should not be thrown out of windows
You say that but it’s well known some of them babies are out to get ya
Sure that was my initial impression too, but I think I am going to sleep on it and maybe take some polls or study the matter more deeply. Can’t be too rash when judging someone for tossing a baby out of a window.
Yeah, what if the baby was an asshole?
‘Who are we killing, I won’t do kids, that’s a rule, but the rule’s negotiable if the kid’s a dick.’
- Adrian Pimento, B99
Also it is really important that we consider all points of view. Maybe the pro-baby throwing out of the window side raises some interesting arguments. Let’s hear them out
Personally I like to listen to all sides
Fucking extremist!
Please give your children up for adoption instead, what the fuck
This just sounds like post partum depression to me.
Post partum psychosis.
I can’t even begin to understand what it’s like inside a woman’s brain after childbirth. My wife struggled through it and came out ok. I’m glad I could help her.
I read that the hormone swing from pregnancy to “back to normal” the month or so after is the fastest swing in hormones a human can experience.
It can absolutely fuck up your brain during that time + lack of sleep + stress. It’s a recipe for this kind of thing.
You’re all rational and empathetic about this smh
That’s definitely how I try to be! 😊
“Just”
I’m surprised the FSB hasn’t scouted her already
birth took place ten minutes prior to the tragic incident
Bro got spawn-killed
