I recently saw a comment chain about nuclear bombs, and that led me to thinking about this. Say there is a nuclear explosion in the downtown of my US city. I survive relatively fine, but obviously the main part of the city has been destroyed, while major zones extending from the center were also badly damaged. What would be a good response to (a) survive and (b) help out the recovery effort?
Don’t use certain cleaning products when bathing; I forget if it’s shampoo or conditioner, but one will bind radiation to you hair and scalp.
That won’t be a problem. If you’re that close, you’ll be dead within a week from the massive dose you already took.
Edit: Aww, look. Somebody thinks Fallout was based on real science and facts. Don’t worry, buddy, you’ll be a ghoul and live forever.
It’ll be a rather unpleasant death I might add. Plan accordingly.
Exactly.
Shampoo cleans, conditioner binds moisture in. Cleaning is good, binding radioactive goop in is bad. Don’t condition.
If you are exposed to particulate dust or debris, once you are inside an area that is enclosed, be mindful of everywhere you go and everything you touch, and consider them contaminated. The way radioactive contamination like dust particles are removed from people in places like nuclear power plants is with shaving cream. The way shaving cream expands on the skin lifts hair by design, but also lifts particulates so that they may be rinsed off.
The most dangerous radioactive elements have the shortest half lives. The quantity of particles is still important. Like the elephants foot at Chernobyl is still deadly to a human standing in the same room for only a few minutes due to quantity. However, just after a nuclear mass murder event by a subhuman psychopath, staying away from the earliest byproducts of the nuclear reaction is critical. These are extremely harmful even in the fine dust on the outskirts.
Nuclear technology is our most irresponsible atrocity we lack the time perspective to clearly understand. Imagine if the wars of the crusaders 1000 years ago were causing people to die directly as a result of their weapons, not because of geopolitical fallout. Nuclear is an atrocity for any use because of our incompetent governments, but it is a far greater crime on all future generations for thousands of years to come. History will make us the most despised humans in the entire lineage of the species. This is the only legacy any of us will be remembered for.
staying away from the earliest byproducts of the nuclear reaction is critical.
How would I know if something is a dangerous byproduct?
Meaning anything that could fall from the sky or get blown around in the air. The particles themselves are heavier than lead, but ash can act like a parachute, and the massive explosion created enormous heat sending everything upwards into the higher layers of the atmosphere.
Any time you see a mushroom cloud, the expanding top stops when it hits a layer of atmosphere that is the same temperature as the rising column. This is true of volcanic eruptions and enormous bombs. The atmosphere gets colder with height, but only for a limited amount of time before the density is too low. Once the density is low enough with elevation, the temperature goes back up from solar radiation. When a plume is powerful enough to punch through the cold and back out into the hot on the other side, that is what can carry heavy particulates quite a long distance. There are winds across these layers that are different and the winds play a role in keeping the layers divided. Think of it like the way Jupiter looks with the cloud layers but in miniature scale that is not easy for human eyes to see. The entire Earth has a similar wind banding structure in the atmosphere. If you ever see wind diagrams for the southern hemisphere the effect is more clearly seen. The northern is a bit less banded due to continuous landmass heating, the Himalayas, and the shallowness of the Gulf of Mexico causing enormous evaporation with an impact stretching all the way into Europe.
The wind patterns carry the little parachutes with heavy radioactive junk and it settles like dust. So like, when we say sealed inside your home, that means duck tape on every door seal, and nothing that could pull air into or out of the space. The pro hazmat setup is a positive pressure bunker where there is a complex filter or recycled air scrubbing system that maintains a higher pressure inside the enclosure so that any leaks present force material out instead of in.
It’s there, near the blast zone. Everything will be irradiated. Everything.
People act like this will be survivable. It isn’t, not with current nuclear weapons. If the blast and shock wave don’t kill you, the radiation will. Or if you were lucky enough to be in a bunker, and you don’t have enough food and water, you will starve before it’s safe to leave.
The best case scenario is to die instantly in the blast. Second best is a bullet before your body literally falls apart from radiation poisoning.
If the future remembers and hates us for nuclear… Good! Hopefully will they also remeber to be carefull and not dig where the waste gets buried
Not to be a clit but it kind of depends where your city is.
Kurzgesagt has a video on it.
Excellent Video! And important call for nuclear disarmament.
The only time a nuke has ever been used in war was when only one country had them. Disarmament destroys MAD and makes it possible for only one country to have (and therefore use) nukes again.
have (and therefore use) nukes again
nukes, or anything else.
just look how great nuclear disarmament worked for ukraine. you can bet your right hand that no country will give their nukes up ever again.
I suspect you are at least as old as I am, from the MAD comment.
Why Mutually Assured Destruction Can No Longer Keep the World from Annihilation https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/why-mutually-assured-destruction-can-no-longer-keep-the-world-from-annihilation/
Why MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) Is No Longer Reassuring https://www.fdd.org/podcasts/2022/04/01/mutually-assured-destruction-no-longer-reassuring/
The Diminishing Reassurance Of Mutually-Assured Destruction https://theowp.org/reports/the-diminishing-reassurance-of-mutually-assured-destruction/
Man I’ll probably die but I’m just gonna walk north. Idk. good as any other direction.
shockwave happens
Right-o.
Become a Brahmin rancher.
if you’re gonna die in nuclear strike, it’ll be most likely because a building you’re in collapses. unless you’re very close to a target that might get a ground burst or small nuke, like airport, large transit node like cargo railroad terminal, high level military command hq or such, you shouldn’t worry too hard about radiation either. in any other case, if you’re within fatal radiation dose range, then you’re also deep within overpressure-that-will-collapse-any-building range and instant-third-degree-burn-and-beyond range. at smaller yields you’ll see fireball range greater than fatal radiation range. play around with https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ to get the idea
if you’re outside, you’ll get thermal burns and might be thrown around but as long as nothing falls on you, and ignoring burns, you should be mostly fine. there won’t be utilities, no power, no water, no communications, so you better have some batteries. if you have shelter, then if you have water and food to weather it out, and if you’re upwind of groundbursts if any, then you’ll probably survive
…long enough to be drafted, because in space of day we went from peace to total war
Everybody is acting like its the apocalypse, just put on one off those N95 masks we all have from covid, get in your car and fuck off. Or walk, you can easily cover 30 km in a few hours to the next not destroyed city.
Edit: I meant kilometers.
A very fit athletic person who has done endurance training can do 30 miles in a day, but that’s not typical. Most people could do around 10+ if their life literally depended on it like in the aftermath of a nuke
Source: a brief web search
Yeah I meant kilometers.
People in this thread are playing way too much Fallout lol.
If cities are being nuked it probably is the apocalypse.
you can easily cover 30 miles in a few hours to the next not destroyed city.
Dude…how fast do you walk???
Sorry I meant kilometer, its like 19 miles. Which is doable in 6 - 8 hours.
In an irradiated wasteland.
Oh…yeah, I guess thats true. I was thinking you meant like 30 miles in 2-3 hours, which I won’t say is as fast as the flash…but maybe the flash’s infant baby?
Although, with me personally, I’d be like “uuuuggghhhhhh how long is this walking going to beeeee???”
And someone would say “we’ve been walking 45 minutes…so, maybe another 5 hours?”
“Ya know what? You guys go ahead without me. I’m just going to lay in the road and wait for the next bomb”
Pssshhhh!!! Walking…
Move away from the mushroom cloud. It. Pay attention to the direction of the wind and try to see if the mushroom cloud itself is moving in order to tell what the wind is doing higher up.
You want to avoid being underneath it. That means primarily just moving away from it, adding more distance. But also, keeping in mind the top of that mushroom cloud is itself moving across the sky (being pushed by wind), so if it’s going the same direction as you, switch directions to get out from under it.
The mushroom cloud is full of radioactive material which will come settling out. If the initial blast didn’t kill you, this radiation is the next biggest danger. Just keep moving away, away, away.
I live on the coast so I’m stealing a fucking boat. I’ll check the pharmacies first, but that’s the most likely place that people are going to be killing each other over stuff.
Nuclear? In your city? You’re dead in a matter of days… maybe months at best.
I live in Pentagon City VA, I’m not surviving shit. ☺
I’ll bet you an upvote that there’s several bunkers damn close to you. All you need to do is figure out who’ll let you use one.
I can guarantee that’s one of the cities in the US that has anti nuke defenses. The US has a tone of those. I haven’t checked but I also bet nobody is allowed to just randomly fly over the city or else they get shot down, and anybody who hijacks a passanger plane that does have clearance to fly over wouldn’t be able to smuggle a nuke onto it anyways.
If you survive (big if) find Steve Huffman, he thinks he’ll be a good leader in a post apocalyptic earth
This brings to mind something David Mitchell said once on Would I Lie To You (British panel show):
In response to Kelvin MacKenzie’s claim that the “This Is My” guest had built him a nuclear bunker:
David Mitchell: If there’s a nuclear war, I don’t want to live. I don’t want to come out of a shelter and try to rebuild society. I have no skills. Okay, society is destroyed by a nuclear war, we’re basically - we’re back to the bronze age…how long is it gonna be before people start pitching panel shows again? It’s gonna be at least 2000 years!
Watch it here if you want, it was annoyingly hard to find.
However I don’t think David - who is a comedian - is precisely right about how such a war would affect the state of technology. If there are survivors, I don’t think we’d really be back to the bronze age. Even if all technology was destroyed (which it wouldn’t be), give humans a few decades, we’ll have some sort of modern technology back up and running. Maybe not computers, but some certainly some analogue electronics - the knowledge isn’t lost. Communications would be one of the first points of focus, so television would follow closely behind.
The thing is, people inherently want to live. It’s instinctual. Secondly, everybody - regardless of skill level - can learn to be handy and useful. If everything is destroyed, and society is to be rebuilt, a lot of manual labor will be needed for cleanup and rebuilding. Even the “I pick things up and put them down” guy is perfectly suited for this type of work.
Counterpoint:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
When you’re functionally immortal like Lazarus Long you’ll have time to learn all that. Most people only live long enough to master one profession.
None of that’s about mastering professions
Thank you for the clip! I once found the show on youtube by accident, it is such a gem. It all started with the cabbage feud. (But I have come to notice that James Acaster only tells true stories, alas.)
I absolutely don’t get the point system though but nevermind.
I never tried to keep track, but I always assumed each correctly identified lie/truth gets a point, and each mistake gives a point to the other team. Keep in mind that the show gets edited down and you don’t see everything that the audience did, while the score probably includes those things you didn’t see.
But like, absolutely no one watches this show for the score, so who cares? It might as well be QI’s scoring system :)
The longest stretch would likely be chip fabs. You need precision electronics and hazardous chemicals and plenty of power.
But considering that some form of electronics will survive, and it wouldnt take long for people to get rudimentary electricity going, I don’t see why we couldn’t have world Internet within a decade.
Yeah, chip fabs are exactly why I think computers would need more time. I’m not super familiar with this, but I’d wager such a factory can only be built using tools and machines that come from other specialized factories, and so on maybe 3 levels down before you get to a relatively rudimentary manufacturing process that can be reasonably achieved within a few years. It would take a lot to get that back up and running.
However… Just think about how many chips are currently just sitting around… Between scrapping and searching you would likely be just fine for a few decades.
EMP would fry most of them though.
Only if they were currently running, and I’m willing to guess the vast majority of reusable/scrap chips will be unpowered in the event of an EMP.
Replacing all working electronics with new boards would definitely be a task. But unless we get an massive flare from the sun I hardly think that’ll be an issue.
By the time nuclear war happens, most chip manufacturing capability will be underground or in hidden sites and therefore not targeted.
How could you be sure of any of that? For all we know, nuclear war could start tomorrow. Or, a bit more realistically, next year. How fast can these factories be built?
Everyone is talking about radiation but IMO having food and water is more important.
In a large city, things would turn to shit within hours. There would be violence.
Honestly, if you don’t have a relative on a farm within a days walk, then your best bet is a refugee camp.
