I know that it’s popular to dismiss President Biden. I get it. He’s old. This is the first election featuring the 2 oldest candidates, ever. So what? The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election. To boot Biden from the ticket and try to bootstrap another candidate is madness. Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food. Stick with the old man, and figure out a way to enact his popular policies while also expanding the Supreme Court, enacting term limits and limiting “Christian” Nationalists.
All this is just ‘it shoulda been Bernie’ without even specifying a Bernie. It’s letting perfect be the enemy of good, with the limpest hand-wave toward what would be better.
Meanwhile, the alternative to the lesser evil is outright fascism.
You should generally stop fascists from taking power.
If you want to do more than vote, go right the fuck ahead.
If you want to do less than vote, shut the fuck up.
This is literally the least you can do. It’s not complicated. Choose less evil.
Average genocide enjoyer
Trump: evil dictatorial genocide
Biden: acceptable, respectable genocide
Obama: What genocide?
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To bury your head in the sand and continue to claim Biden is the best chance to defeat Trump is madness.
Look, I get it, the DNC has placed us in a terribly frightening position due to their unwillingness to test the president in a real primary so he could show us he’s the best choice to beat Trump, and now in the final hour we are learning that was all smoke and mirrors. Biden is way down in all the polls, and forcing him onto the ticket now means certain defeat.
We still have plenty of time to generate enormous voter enthusiasm for a new ticket, more than Biden could ever garner, and we can use that to catapult the Dems to a big win in November. Have a process where candidates debate and demonstrate how their approaches would differ from where Biden was unpopular. Use a small fraction of the campaign war chest to televise it everywhere, especially online. This should include Kamala, and she needs to prove she can maintain her delegates if she wants the nom. Let’s not make the same mistake twice. Assuming she succeeds here, she is the incumbent VP, so would maintain that theoretical advantage, but we get the tailwind of a fresh ticket with a new VP who can totally change the narrative. This is the Dems’ chance to get back in the saddle and provide a new alternative people are willing to vote for - it should be celebrated!
He’s running the freaking country right now and has been for the last 3 and a half years. The “he’s old” crowd don’t seem to get that he’s old and effective?
He sure is effective at killing brown people at least! Good at disabling as many people as possible with COVID too. He’s quite effective at opposing the rights of trans people as well. Oh, and he’s the best at deportation, can’t forget that!
Mental decline at advanced age can have a very sudden and dramatic impact. What matters for this election isn’t the past 3.5 years, it’s the next 5 months and following 4 years.
Biden’s effectiveness and policies are debatable in quality, but clearly he is not in the driver’s seat at this juncture. His staff, all unelected officials, are. If you’ve been happy with their performance, then you’re in luck, because the makeup of the administration is unlikely to change significantly with a new presidential ticket, especially if it’s Kamala.
What part of those three and a half years makes him seem effective to you? The genocide? Is it how food costs twice as much now? Maybe your a fan of still catching covid at least once a year?
Oh yeah, it would have all turned out much better under Trump! /s
Seriously though, he’s had a ridiculous congress to attempt to work with and he’s still gotten quite a few things done. Restarted FCC and FDA at their jobs of actually regulating. Infrastructure bills. Student loan relief. Airline accountability. Wiping out non-compete clauses by companies. Huge economic recovery from the hole Trump had dug for us.
That’s the FDA that let’s them feed chicken shit with bird flu to the cows right? And the “build back better” that completely failed to build a chip fab in the middle of the desert? And the loan relief that was deliberately written to be as easily blocked by the courts as possible? And the planes that keep crashing? I’m real impressed.
Did you ever notice how as the Republicans get more openly fascist the Democrat response is always to also get more fascist? Why shouldn’t they when they can always count on the support of marks like you? The only way to break the cycle is to put your fucking foot down and refuse to vote for anyone who fails to meet standards. If that means the dems never win again and join the whigs then good goddamn riddance, they were a hinderence anyway.
OK, so you can criticize real good. What’s your actual, legal plan to switch Democratic candidates at such a late date? Everyone loves to criticize Biden and play fantasy football about who they would pick, but as near as I can tell, the only other person who could legally be chosen is Kamala Harris.
Who is already on the ticket and will take over if something does happen to Biden. Oh, and if you think putting a black, female candidate up against Trump is suddenly going to win hearts and minds, then I have a Nigerian prince I’d like to put you in touch with for a small finders fee.
Actually, I am pretty sure this is a Russian bot account anyway, but what the heck, let’s see what your response is.
You blueannon dullards really think everyone you argue with is a bot huh? Its that hard for you to imagine someone not enthused for the diet fash party? And if I am real I bet I’m the one in the echo chamber too aren’t I?
No, but if you’re not voting for whoever the Dem candidate is, you’re the one promoting fascism and an end to worker rights at this juncture, so… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh I don’t give a shit about replacing Biden at this late hour. The time for that was years ago, this election is cooked. And anyway anyone acceptable to me would be completely unacceptable to the DNC. Thats the fucking problem. I’m voting PSL to register my demand for a socialist and trying to find some kind of org in my suburban hellscape.
So you don’t give a shit whether fascism wins? Cool cool, cool cool.
To bury your head in the sand and continue to claim Biden is the best chance to defeat Trump is
…math.
Go see what happened in 68 when they swapped out the incumbent. In fact, it’s been an abject failure every time. Landslide loss. Just talking about it is increasing the voter apathy and ensuring his loss.
The chance of winning with Biden is slim as it requires a lot of faith in Harris whom we really don’t know. The trends show switching him out is a guaranteed failure, though.
Still a binary choice.
The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election.
Get an electable candidate then.
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Coin flips are good now? Would rather have win or world over candidates be closer to 70/30 or even 60/40
The arrogance of Democratic leadership is fully on display here. I have nothing against Biden, he’s done great but he’s too old and should have known he was going to be a one term president from day one and worked to hand the mantle over to younger candidates years ago.
Now here we are months from an extremely important election and we have to debate if he is physically fit for the job. It’s obvious bullshit and a complete failure of leadership for the Democratic Party.
A lot of people are going to just vote for him because the alternative is unacceptable. However there are a lot of people in the center in key swing states who don’t follow politics, don’t understand what is at stake that may not have that same attitude. To them the age issue is front and center in their decision making process.
This is the second time Dems have put a fundamentally flawed candidate up for the presidency. They need to fix their fucking process.
Only one way to fix flawed dem candidates. Convince more people to vote for better ones. Otherwise you’re basically asking them to suppress moderates that might want to run.
This is how democracy works, where voters choose candidates. But when progressives are only a fraction of the party, we need to expand the number of progressive voters in order to see results.
What time is it in Moscow?
No it’s like firing the head chef who’s always passed out in the walk-in and hoping one of the sous chefs who actually work the line every night making the food will give you Michelin-quality food. I mean, maybe not Harris in particular, but you get the point.
OK, but if we hire the Fascists chef to lead the restaurant it will cease to exist. If we rehire the snoozing chef, we can also hire new managers to keep the place running like it always has. If we pick the comic book villain because he’s 3 years younger and hope he was kidding about all the horrendous shit he said he would do then we are the stupidest fucktards on the planet.
You still haven’t explained why you want Biden over any other Democratic candidate.
You know time is linear, right?
You know the convention hasn’t happened yet, right?
You know that there is no poll at this point showing Biden wins, right?
You know that most other polls show that basically any other Democratic candidate wins, right?
Why are you trying to help Trump win?
I’m calling Russian bot on this person trying to get Trump elected.
Maybe we hire a different chef who isn’t an octogenarian. There’s a lot of chefs out there. We don’t have to accept the false dichotomy that there’s only two chefs capable of running a kitchen.
The hiring process is meant to weed out bad chefs like those that are sleep or hold political beliefs anathema to most. Not to lock them in as the only possible cooks.
No one here is suggesting we should reelect Trump. People are saying that Biden will lose. The only chance we have, however slim, is to ditch the guy who can’t form coherent sentences. People didn’t vote for Biden because he’s Biden. People voted for Biden because he’s not Trump. Whoever takes his place will also have that going for them, with the advantage of being lucid.
That’s why I said we should promote one of the sous chefs that are actually doing the head chef’s work! If Biden is just a proxy candidate for the administration, then it could be literally anyone. Including someone without the glassy-eyed stare of senility, assuming someone like that exists in the Democratic Party leadership.
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I believe in AZ it is on the ballot as a petition-based initiative in November. Because the Republican-majority congress wants nothing to do with it.
Oh shit, is this supposed to be a response to me asking about ranked choice voting? Assuming that’s the case:
That’s cool for Arizona. I hope it passes. But I don’t live in Arizona. Most americans don’t. What should those of us not in Arizona do to bring about ranked choice voting?
Hopefully, citizen petitions are allowed on the ballot in your state, because it’s a fairly easy one to get on the ballot that way—a ton of people want it. Otherwise you’ll have to lobby your state congress critters, which unfortunately is not as easy…
Hey dude how’s it going this morning
GOOD POST
All the people in here complaining they don’t like their choices. Holy fuck, those are the choices. You don’t get to change them in under half a year from the election, lol. We’ve already had the primaries. We have two old candidates. One is old and has been running the country successfully for nearing 4 years. One is a convicted felon with convictions ranging from fraud to sexual assault. Both have age-related health issues, but only one is promising to try and bring about the end of democracy in this country via Project 2025 if elected.
If you want to change your choices next time, support some form of ranked voting in your state next time so that you can vote for the wild progressive candidate, but also rank the one you think is likely to win under that.
The Democratic Convention is in a month. The Republican convention ended today, and the only meme I’ve seen about it is the usual Grindr joke. Nobody seems to know - or care - that it happened.
When Biden steps down due to medical issues, the convention is going to turn into a media frenzy.
Couple more weeks of the bastard so old he makes Trump look young, and we’ve got ourselves a brand new ball game.
support some form of ranked voting in your state next time
Serious question: how do you suggest I do this? The “vote for Biden” people say this a lot, and like, I agree, ranked choice voting would be far preferable to our current electoral system. I’d like this change to happen. So how can we make it happen? What is the plan for after the election to get ranked voting before the next one? So far as I can tell, none of the politicians in my state (or any state, really) have tried to implement ranked choice and there aren’t any ballot initiatives that aim towards it. So what do you see as the way forward here? How do we get ranked choice voting to become a reality before the next time we’re faced with a choice between two absolutely unacceptable presidential candidates?
If this election is so important why are we being forced to vote for a genocidal mummy instead of having a Primary? 🤔
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This is baby-brain shit. Ignoring the criticism doesn’t make more people vote for Biden.
The fact is that people hate Biden’s support for genocide. There were literal IRL protests at every major college campus. They weren’t “Russian bots”.
Literally dehumanizing your enemies. Nice.
Remember the “write-in uncommitted” thing? Those were primaries. The write-in could have been anyone, we did not need to pick “uncommitted”.
There weren’t any options to pick, that’s why people wrote in uncommitted. Don’t pretend like those were real primaries.
There were a couple, Dean Philips and that one author lady whose name I can’t remember. Is that some “leaderships” fault though, should they have forced say, Bernie to run again, even though he flat-out said he wasn’t planning to?
Couldn’t we have written in Bernie anyway, just to make a point? But instead we picked “nobody”.
This is just how democracy works, it’s a messy system where people get to do what they want. Including run or not run.
The Party made it clear behind the scenes to serious contenders that they should not campaign and should just wait until 2028, Biden was going to be the nominee and the primary was a figleaf. There was never a serious chance of anyone beating Biden.
That’s just Party politics. I get it.
But pressuring Biden to drop out is Party politics too! You’re acting like I’m asking for something obscene or undemocratic, but I’m just asking for a chance to beat Trump. Our genocidal mummy might not even survive to the election (he has COVID again)
I agree, calls for Biden to step aside are legitimate arguments. I just dislike the DNC conspiracy theory lines like there were no primaries, when people absolutely did have the freedom to run against him if they wanted. Nobody forced progressives not to run, every last one of them personally chose not to, of their own volition, based on the existing information they had at the time. They could be asked not to run, but the choice was theirs every time.
A political party operating like a political party is not a “conspiracy.” Political parties are literally groups of people that work together to achieve political goals.
Party members had the freedom to defy their Party but that would be seriously detrimental to their political careers within the Party. People chose to follow the Party’s direction because that’s how political parties are supposed to work. It’s like when Obama called all the also-rans and told them to drop out and endorse Biden in 2020. The choice was theirs back then, too, but it’s not as simple as everyone just spontaneously deciding to run or not run or drop out all on their own with zero input from the Party.
That’s not a conspiracy! That’s just a political party operating like a political party. I don’t know why this is so hard to accept.
And it’s not too late for the Party to fix this fucking mess.
That last line right there is the problem. Tell me, how can the party fix this mess if Biden, for whatever reason, simply refuses to drop out? Is there some mechanism or method by which the party can force him out, short of attempting to enact the 25th amendment and hoping Congress agrees?
You’re minimizing the personal freedom these individuals have to defy their party, giving the party an unrealistic amount of behind-the-scenes power. This is conspiratorial.
Bernie did not cooperate with the party, isn’t even officially a member. Still doing fine though. This party apparatus does not have the actual degree of control people like to think, it can only sway, lobby and pressure. People simply like to blame it at every opportunity, out of convenience mainly.
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“Everyone who disagrees with me is Russian!”
But please, tell me more about how only foreign adversaries could be dissatisfied with the US. 🙄
I get it. He’s old. So what?
No, you don’t get it. It’s not just a matter of age, it’s a matter of severe cognitive impairment due to his age. He’s a few brain cells away from becoming a gibbering vegetable.
It’s rather alarming that the only qualification to be the Democrat nominee is to have a pulse. Not a brain, not an agenda, not a set of policies and initiatives. Just a pulse and nothing more.
At that point, who’s actually making the decisions? Who controls the nuclear codes? Who is commanding the military? It’s not Biden, but some anonymous unelected staffers?
This is hilarious. The dude is running the country quite well right at this moment. Stop buying into the BS hype the press is trying to foment for click-bait profits.
I have a very different opinion on the definition of “quite well” lol
Biden cant even run, let alone run a country
it’s a matter of severe cognitive impairment due to his age.
The alternative is a moron with a visible personality disorder. Someone who’s still bragging about remembering five objects, because he genuinely does not understand that demonstrating basic functionality is not a flex.
He’s also a fascist, in case you care.
The other candidate wants to be dictator on day 1.
And has even less cognitive abilities than Joe
should I reply to a comment that has “He’s a few brain cells away from becoming a gibbering vegetable.”. I mean common. Is this in good faith. Will everyone get 100% behind a replacement from the party. I doubt that. I see no reason to replace him. He has a young vice president so if he becomes unable to serve she was also voted on by the democratic voters last spring. This is a non issue to me.
Sounds like Biden is likely to resign this weekend. I guess the entirety of the Democratic party is russian bots, right?
You might want to think through the thought process that lead you to be so wrong about what was happening, and why you ended up being a follower while the people you were following were deciding to go in the opposite direction.
If he doesn’t, is there any point where you’ll stop saying he’s gonna?
I didn’t respond because my prediction was this weekend (namely Sunday) and why bother responding until after I was proven wrong.
But I wasn’t, was I?
‘I wasn’t’ doesn’t change a what-if.
What ifs are not based upon hard data.
My prediction was.
If it was wrong, I would have had to rethink my priors.
But I wasn’t wrong and yet, several here were trying to deride anyone expressing a certain viewpoint as Russian bots.
Dems are the easiest to sway. Start them hand-wringing and like a room full of metronomes they’ll soon all be wringing their hands.
Russia knows this. Russia’s red-state tools know this. Easiest coup ever.
Holy shit, you are conspiracy brained.
There is no coup. The DNC has been lying for years about how bad Biden is. Why do you think they worked to cancel the primary?
You know, that thing that would have had a debate that would have made it clear there was a problem here before the first presidential primary?
Those things exist for a reason.
By all accounts, the leaks from the phone call Biden had with the Moderate democratic house members was worse then the debate.
