Well alcohol fucks with your brain, so it isn’t all bad.
The hell is wrong with yoga??? It is a awsome self weight exercise and cardio program. Better for you than running.
It’s legitimately a religion, the other organized religions don’t like these ancient forms of religion that don’t require payments to participate in, and can be learned for free. It really cuts into their business model.
The term “yoga” in Hindu practice refers to a lot more than just the physical exercises. The idea that one just goes to a yoga studio for workouts doesn’t mesh with traditional practice at all. There’s a lot of spiritual components that get left out by the upper middle class white women who run studios.
Yoga originated as meditative practice in Hinduism with some spiritual goals that are a bit more than just the more generic “mindfulness” you might find in your typical modern fitness class.
(It’s also found in Buddhism and Jainism,)
The physical stretches and poses are great for healthy, low intensity exercise; and meditation is a thing that exists basically in every religious flavor you’d like; so it’s certainly possible to make even a “fundie-approved” version, but eh. Good luck with that.
Ultimately it could have been lumped into “other beliefs”,
Los of churches actually have “Christian Yoga” classes which, oddly enough, is usually just the exercise with nothing religous about it.
It’s this word thing where they show how something beneficial can work without involving spirituality.
I remember way back in the day. middle school late 90’s, maybe. MTG was “the devil” or something, so somebody found us an alternative that involved bible heroes and verses.
it was a terribly unfun game with a lousy system for winning, and I think I knew exactly one kid who had a deck with it; though he just put the cards over his MTG cards to hide the fact that he played MTG (yes. the pastor’s kid was a really bad influence.)
MTG is still the devil. She’s an anti-science, conspiracy believing nutter, and I’m ashamed that I’m in the same state as she is.
Not wrong, but uhm, magic the gathering…. Is just a bunch of cards….
Oh.
The only context I see “MTG” used in is Marjorie Taylor Green.
I refuse to let Howler Moneky #2 force me to stop writing Magic as MTG
Don’t try to understand the mind of a fundie christian.
I’ve heard sermons that claimed “psychology” was a religion. Their problem with yoga is similar. (It has connections to hinduism. At least that’s part of it.)
A lot of megachurches have classes/programs that are almost exactly yoga, but by a different name. The name they give it escapes me.
Hell. There are shops on Amazon that sell yoga stuff (mats, balls, shorts, whatever) without calling it “yoga” balls or “yoga” mats so christians don’t feel sinful buying it.
And yes, they’re just retailers buying yoga gear wholesale (or drop-ship or whatever) and listing it without using the word “yoga.”
Edit: Googling to find if there’s a common name for the christian version of yoga, I found this god-awful thing.
That link just made my day
‘‘Don’t get sucked into this horrible devil religion that Yoga is! Instead, Take My copywriten and trade marked program instead. good news, for a fee we can train YOU to be a certified bottom of the pyramid scheme block so you can teach ‘‘downward facing GOD IS LOVE’’ to your local collection of suckers, saps, rubes, and marks!!’’
I mean, tarot is fucking stupid as well.
No, tarot is a fantastic card game : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tarot_card_games&diffonly=true
Cartomancy using a tarot game cards is stupid though.
Holy shit, Tarot was a game all this time? Time to buy a pack and get some people for a game night!
There’s also a really really old type of rpg similar to DnD that can be played with a rare kind of tarot deck called a Minchiate (97 card deck)
Do you have a link to that game? I can’t seem to find it.
Sorry, no link - read it from a library book about card game history.
From my recollection:
I do remember it was called “Oracolo” and was played in Italy, normally by family members for the younger kids. It’s part of other “story games” people would play using the bigger tarot card decks especially (something played since Mamluk deck days). You’d basically start a story about how the person is a traveler, and make up the story on the fly based off what you drew from the deck, and the kid would respond as well and then a dice would be rolled to see if they’re successful.
With Oracolo, the goal was to make it to old age and die peacefully as you go through life. You’d do this by going through the entire deck, with pips being bonuses or negatives that would be used (like, if you had chosen to be a carpenter, and got a 3, then that might be how much furniture you sold and how successful you currently are).
Every card you passed through would get set aside, with the exception of Death, which would always get shuffled back in if you survived. Death would always be the final card.
There’s other story games too people would play too. This is where the idea of using Tarot decks for divination came from actually during the Victorian era (as these story games were primarily played in Latin descendant speaking countries such as France, Spain, and Italy).
My own dad would sometimes play a story game his dad taught him using an old Tarocco Siciliano deck we had (the one that uses cups, clubs, coins, and swords). Although his was a Christian version where the goal was both survive and to go to heaven, and used more as a morality type game.
Do you remember the name of the book? Searching for “oracolo card game” on the net didn’t lead to any results
Neat, the only RPG system that I know of that uses cards is Castle Falkenstein, but a normal 13x4 deck
And an excellent one at that!
May I suggest you use the french tarot rules ? If there is a French community near you, you may find players among them.
Here are the rules translated in English : https://www.pagat.com/tarot/frtarot.html
Fair point.
Atheist utilitarian technology professional here. I read tarot. Not because I believe anything mystical is coming through the cards. They just happen to be a very rich and rounded set of symbology to lay out and use to talk through a topic. I have never had anyone walk away from one of my readings without saying “that was more interesting than I thought it was going to be.” Of course my style is very interactive and I involve them a lot as we go. Of course others out there take an oracular approach that’s utter horseshit.
i want to hang out with YOU
“I play therapist by telling my clients they are the decrepit goblin that stumbled into the stinky swamp and ask them if they want to try to get out of it by using the enchanted axe or call upon the great dragon to lift them up.”
Why is that in quotes? Is that a reference to something?
I’ll leave you to figure it out, or give up.
I figured it out. You think tarot is Dungeons & Dragons.
Indeed. Sometimes it’s helpful to filter your thoughts through a different lense, and tarot can spark ideas or aspects you hadn’t considered as you try to fit things within the context of the cards you’re seeing.
Things can be interesting, and still utter nonsense.
You didn’t understand. You seem to think that belief in magic or future reading or some other stuff is necessary to play tarot, but that’s not true.
You can use the cards instead as a brainstorming tool that helps you direct your thinking into new avenues that you haven’t considered so far. No bullshit necessary.
Sure, but you can do that with anything.
And I go to the Cathedral’s confessional for therapy, my chiropractor for all health ailments, and my life coach and CrossFit trainer tells me joint pain is just weakness leaving the body
And I’m FINE! Not fucked up at all.
Unpossible. (Goes back to playing RPGs and reading isekai)
Coffe!? How? I am a little bit confused
I think that one is for the Mormons? I’m like 85% sure they think caffeine is against their religion.
Yeah, that one’s a Mormon thing. The rule only covers coffee and tea if you want to be pedantic about it, though there are many ‘spirit of the law’ type people who avoid caffeine entirely.
im an exmo, yeah that’s basically it. The “doctrine” we get that from says:
And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
this was “interpreted” as caffeine specifically, probably because the cult leaders didn’t want to give up hot cocoa.
It’s religion, so it doesn’t have to make any sense, that’s what’s great about it.
Would iced coffee be okay then? Or they decide hot meant caffeine?
Iced coffee is also not allowed if it has caffeine
Correct.
Source: Last Podcast on the Left had an excellent series on mormonism.
Mormons aren’t allowed hot drinks. I wonder if anyone’s made an exception for cold brew.
Hot drinks is the scriptural term, but is officially interpreted as “coffee bean” and “tea leaf”.
So you could have peppermint tea, but not tiramisu.
Are Mormons also against alcohol?
Yeah, no tea either. Guess they get their 8 cups a day.
So, sake served in the proper Japanese way would be double heresy for them
What’s the context of the coffee taboo?
Mormons is my guess
Don’t forget music and the entire fantasy genre
Mormonism?
Coffee?
Mormons, jehovas witnesses, probably other religions too
There is a krishna restaurant nearby, they have excellent food but no coffee (nor carbonated water for some reason).
Why did they draw the underwear to make it look like it’s covered in loose pubes
Your underwear aren’t?
Shit happens
Alcohol addiction is pretty fucking dangerous.
That’s not what the meme says
What, no Heavy Metal?
tbf, even without religion, coffee still keeps me up at night
Isn’t that it’s point?
Coffee and Yoga?
My ex-mother outlaw wouldn’t do yoga because she thought it was a religion or witchcraft or something (ETA: and thus thought it imperiled her eternal soul because she might pick up some beliefs) and she was a mainline Baptist so yeah, yoga.
It is technically part of a repressive religion itself so the placement in the list does seem a bit odd to me, but the nuance is that nonpractitioners can use it to stretch and exercise without any spiritualism.
Yeah I realized after writing that, it’s a little flippant. My favorite yoga teacher once described American yoga as an unholy mashup of British calisthenics and ancient Indian spiritual and contemplative practices, and that sounds about right. I do know it’s orientalist, and that’s problematic, but goodness it is a great physical practice, the way we do it here.
I think I read that originally yoga was a mental and physical practice that later on had all these layers of religiosity added. Someone more knowledgeable feel free to correct me.
originally hindu meditation for seeking… well… I’m not sure I understand it.
in the modern era there’s both the traditional, religious yoga, and the people doing it for generic mindfulness and physical fitness. it’s also in Jainism and Buddhism, but it started in hinduism.
The church I grew up in offered “yoga style stretching class” that did not have any heathen influences like gongs or deep breathing or Sanskrit names for stuff, was separated by gender, did not allow yoga pants or bare midriffs and avoided any postures that flaunted the privates. You know… to avoid giving Satan™ a foothold in your nether bits.
do be fair, their church probably has a fair number of predators that… uh… well. look, don’t ask why they just don’t get rid of the creep, s’okay?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair
The missing stair is a metaphor for a person within a social group or organization who many people know is untrustworthy or otherwise has to be “managed,” but around whom the group chooses to work by discreetly warning newcomers of their behavior, rather than address the person and their behavior openly. The “missing stair” in the metaphor refers to a dangerous structural fault, such as a missing step in a staircase; a fault that people may become used to and quietly accepting of, that is not openly signposted or fixed, and that newcomers to a group or organization are warned about discreetly.
I know it’s a typo but an ex-mother outlaw who won’t do yoga sounds pretty cool. “In a world where yoga was required by law. She said no. Rated R”
Not a typo, actually. She’s my ex mother outlaw because I never married my ex, her other title is “my kids grandma”. She is great, though has the oddball conservative ideas you’d expect for an old person. Like the yogaphobia.
thought it was a religion
It absolutely started as a religious practice. There are various forms of yoga that are used as mediation practices in Hinduism.
That said, Westerners almost never practice yoga that way. They’ll sprinkle in a generous helping of, “namaste” but they’re basically doing it as a form of light exercise.
It’s like if a bunch of Indians saw a Catholic ceremony and said, “That’s a pretty good workout. Stand up, sit down, kneel, sit, kneel, stand. It’s not a religious thing, I just go to mass for leg day.”
Mormons are anti coffee
I mean I’m kind of afraid of the world. This planet has earthquakes and volcanoes and pandemics and tsunamis and prions and cancer and war and landmines and maybe a big asteroid every billion years.
No reason not to enjoy everything we’ve got, of course. It’s still the best home.
15 years sober here. Alcohol is not an option for me.
I understand. I understand that means mo fo me!
Joking aside, I need to quit, also. Tomorrow, I’ll do it tomorrow.
You really can.
The important thing is you have discovered this and are comfortable with that knowledge. That in and of itself is a big deal.
yes, the lesson here was self-discovery-- as difficult a lesson as that was.
i admit that i’ve been through a similar one myself. i quit heroin 20 years ago.
Congrats on staying clean!
thanks!
Did religion get you there? I don’t recall anything about it in church. In fact they SERVED alcohol at my church.
I don’t know about a lot of religions, but have so far only heard about Mormons banning coffee. Everything else seems to apply to multiple (that I know of) except that. But might hear of another today, I’ll be one of the lucky 10,000.
Baptists forbid all alcohol, they’re a pretty significant percentage of Christians in the US.
Do you how you can tell a Baptist from a Methodist? A Methodist will speak to you at the liquor store.
Was about to say this.
Alcohol is one heck of a mixed bag., at best.
Of the things on the graphic, alcohol is the one that can do the most actual self damage.
Congratulations, sincerely.
I’ve been on the world since before I can remember. It used to be pretty fun, honestly, but I can tell it’s just eating my soul away bit by bit. Unless something changes soon there won’t be anything left.
Tap for /s
Just kidding, I hate this place. I really am happy for you though. It’s not easy.
