She should just pick Clooney as VP so we can be done with it already.
Amal Clooney, preferably. That lady is a major badass.
Though I think putting two women on the ticket would be a death knell unfortunately.
Mostly joking, I don’t think she’s an American citizen.
Though I think putting two women on the ticket would be a death knell unfortunately.
doubtful; harris/whitmer would be great; but whitmer has already ruled it out
Would be a great team, absolutely. But this is the United States. Getting one woman elected at that level is difficult enough. Unfortunately there are lots of people who would stay home if it’s an all-woman ticket.
Sucks but it’s true.
Keanu Reeves
It would be hard to attack Keanu without looking like a douche
That would just be unfair to the Republicans, so definitely the best choice
ACT 1, The GOP kills his puppy…
Don’t believe the hype, FUCKING VOTE!!! Volunteer to give rides for those that can’t make it to vote otherwise.
This is what I did for the 2018 midterms. Some of my friends didn’t really get why I was so adamant, but I dropped their assess at the church and let them vote. It do work.
Yes, I was like “Oh, thank christ” when i saw this headline, but also fear this is right propaganda to relax voters. VOTE!
Believe this hype; You can make a difference.
I lived in Florida in 2000. If I had recruited a couple friends, and I knew people who would have been down, and we drove vans back and forth to the polls all day…
What I mean by don’t believe the hype is people tend to not vote when they think they’re going to win in a landslide. Which of course, they would IF they vote. We ended up with Dementia Don the racist rapist with 34 felonies that can’t complete a coherent sentence because Hillary was kicking his ass in the polls so voter turnout was lower.
Regardless, VOTE
512 votes would have made a difference.
Awesome job!
On a side note: Just the fucking fact that people would need a ride to vote also shows that
a) Voting is too damn hard in the US. I know that the Republican party has been working (and keeps working) hard on making voting nearly impossible, because less votes is better for them, but seriously: make voting easier.
b) The US is extremely over dependent on cars. In the Netherlands almost nobody would drive their car to go vote, you use a bike. Why? Because the cities in the country are designed for people first, not for cars first. Start modifying your cities to not require cars. Add bicycle roads, actually invest in public transportation, add pedestrian walk ways. The US sucks for human beings, it’s awesome for cars.
Voting is bullshit here, thanks to the republikkklowns. I’m hoping when the VP becomes president, we can remedy some of that.
Your point on the cars. Your example country is 237 times smaller than ours. .42%. We have 342 million people compared to their almost 19 million. What works there won’t work here. It would be great to step up public transportation but that’s not the end all answer.
Nonsense. India’s population is far greater than the US, and they can do better elections than the US. Saying that you can’t do bicycle roads in the US because what works in the Netherlands doesn’t work in bigger countries is, again, nonsense. Mexico is adding bicycle roads. Canada is. Why can’t the US?
Where the hell are you? My city just added a bunch of bike roads, but that’s going to work great in the country isn’t it? Nothing like riding a bike twenty miles to town to grab some groceries and ride back in the rain or snow.
The vast majority of the population lives in small, medium, and large cities where you can easily commute the < 1.5kilometer / 1 mile walking, or the < 10 kilometers / < 6 miles on a bike Whether you go to work, a store, whatever, that’s easy for the vast majority of people world wide. If done well, public transportation would be a great option for larger distances.
I’m not advocating banning cars outright, I’m advocating pushing sustainable transportation, we can reduce traffic by 70-80%, it’s a huge chunk of CO2
Voting is too damn hard in the US.
It’s too damn hard in certain states.
I’m in California, and am signed up for vote by mail, which anyone can do. Ballot gets mailed to me well in advance, I can take my time filling it out and researching down ballot issues, and plop it in a mailbox when I’m done.
It’s criminal to me that this isn’t the norm.
I live in Colorado, and I feel the same way about this. I love the way voting works here. This should be the norm. It should be REQUIRED at the federal level that this is an offering in every state in the land.
Any state that is not doing this does not care at all about the democratic process, IMHO, given there are outstanding examples of states that do.
There are loads of states that don’t want democracy, they want a theocratic republican dictatorship and if they can’t get that through voting they’ll get it through cheating, just like Jesus taught them.
make it a landslide
That’s the only way that democracy is not in imminent danger.
If fascism is only beaten by the same tight margin that more sane and humane (but still neurotic and cruel) conservatism was for the second presidential election in a row, that means that the second largest party in the richest and most powerful country in the world being a fascist party has become the norm rather than just an unusually persistent aberration.
This is a problem, but another problem is that today’s politicians have learned to do fascist stuff without a fascist party. Accountability and transparency.
It became the norm in Vietnam and was confirmed under Reagan. The rest was just waiting for the WW2 survivors who remembered the dogwhistles to die.
Man I hope so. I remember thinking the Republican party was dead and would have to move towards the center back in 2008 when Obama was elected and had a super majority in the Senate. But rather than pivot, the GOP dug their heels in, obstructed as much as possible, and went even further to the right.
Oh, some good news. Finally!
Kinda. In the two-party first-past-the-post system, they were still not convinced they should vote which could actively make their futures worse. Knowing why that alone wasn’t a motivating factor (unless this is all people who want to vote AGAINST Harris (which I highly doubt)) is definitely worth exploring.
In the two-party first-past-the-post system, they were still not convinced they should vote which could actively make their futures worse.
Who knew that regarding them with undisguised contempt wasn’t convincing?
That’s true, but it doesn’t stop this from being good news
I hope she picks a good VP and not wet blanket like democratic establishment would want.
It appears she’s looking at people who could swing a purple state, so that probably won’t excite anyone hoping for a progressive ticket.
Almost as if you need to win before you can do anything at all.
Like it or not, the reality of the electoral college.
You can win in multiple different ways, not simply picking a purple state moderate. The whole reason there’s a story about “more youth voters like Harris” is because more youth voters could help her win. And the youths notably live in every swing state.
Smoke and mirrors. Right now we need the clearest path to victory, not a path. The Right has their strengths and one of them is throwing wrenches into things. Can’t throw a stick into my spokes if my bike doesn’t have any.
And youths are also notorious for not turning out too.
And yet, they seem motivated to vote for Harris because the party stopped lecturing and listened instead.
I feel like i heard those same people say she was too moderate before.
Funny how that changes.
And yet they rallied behind her. Guess the centrist narrative about progressives wanting absolute perfection and purity testing everything to death was horseshit from the very beginning, and that progressives are willing to accept a reasonable compromise candidate when the party isn’t too stubborn and arrogant to listen.
Now since we’re talking about things people said before Biden dropped out, where’s all the chaos that Biden stans were predicting?
The youth are not historically known for showing up to vote.
That’s what the media says, but kids these days are showing up more than their parents were at their age.
I just hope it’s enough.
And yet they’re excited right now because the party was responsive to their concerns.
Let’s hope they stay excited.
Let’s hope the party remains responsive, then.
“The youth are notorious for low turnout. That’s why Kamala Harris (and possibly her VP) increasing their turnout isn’t important.”
More like being popular with a demographic who doesn’t show up to vote hasn’t historically been a good way to win elections.
If they actually show up this time, awesome.
Biden literally won in 2020 with strong youth turnout while Clinton lost in 2016 with a weak one. Historically, youth turnout is extremely important for Democrats, and people continually dismissing their value will only harm that effort.
https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/half-youth-voted-2020-11-point-increase-2016
There’s an increasing trend, though. The last couple elections have been pivotal. Sucks we didn’t turn out in 2016, but we’re learning. Young women telling young men you ain’t getting laid while abortion is illegal. LGBT+ saying you won’t take our healthcare. New parents saying we need universal childcare, college students saying debt forgiveness is essential.
I don’t know if it’ll be enough, but I know I’ll never miss an election again, at least
It’s so frustrating people don’t get this. Progressive politics is stringing together election victories. The US system is designed to require longer term horizons to enact significant change. And we saw precisely why when we survived Trump’s term.
Tim waltz seems like a good pick. Seems to have a bit of the Bernie, no-bullshit, authenticity that plays well with independents.
My preference is as follows:
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Mark Kelly - Pros: Astronaut/Navy Combat Pilot; will pull veterans and people voting for novelty. He generally has moderate policies and won a national race in a battleground state. His Senate seat is safe because Gov. Hobbs (D) can appoint another Dem to fill it.
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Pete Buttigieg - Also a veteran, oxford/rhodes scholar; one of the best debaters in D.C. Coming from a Cabinet position so does not risk any loss.
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Whitmer - Contrary to some, I like the idea of doubling-down on women in this post-Roe, MeToo era. She brings a lot to the table, but she’s no longer in the running as she (a) both publicly and privately declined, and (b) she like Shapiro would be better off carrying their respective battleground states without either state feeling like they’ve been abandoned.
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Jon Stewart - He won’t do it, but hear me out: Viral excitement; strong debater; cross-over appeal to veterans & first-responders thanks to his decades of helping them. The Zelenskyy of our nation. Counter lies and half-truths with satire and mockery.
I DON’T think Harris should pick Cooper, Beshear, Walz, or especially Newsom.
This is a good list.
Thank you for not including Shapiro and not risking a swing state getting a Republican governor
Yeah I like all the battleground state governors, but I think for that reason, and for letting them continue to successfully run these states helps carry them. You also don’t want state residents to feel abandoned or used with them leaving for VP. They’re instrumental right where they are.
That guy has such an unfortunate name. I hear Shapiro and I immediately think of the right-wing pseudo-intellectual professional troll Ben Shapiro and wonder why the fuck would anybody want him on a ticket. I’m learning to not have such a visceral reaction to the name, but association is a bitch to overcome.
Mark Kelly is a great choice. Kamala needs someone who can win over the vets. Apparently Captain Bone Spurs still holds some sway with them.
Especially when he’s like the exact opposite of Benny boy. Maybe it would work in the opposite direction, though: People think it’s actually Ben Shapiro and vote for Harris because they think there’s some conspiracy to take over the presidency.
Honestly, I’d change my name.
Veterans are now a critical voting block for the Democrats? Not “young people” or “Hispanic voters”? Veterans?
I wouldn’t call them critical, no, but every vote matters. Especially in a demographic like former armed services. They represent a collective of voters across all 50 states and their voting trends are pretty unified in solidarity for candidates that recognize them and cater to their issues and interests. Sure, some are party hardliners and will vote D or R no matter what, that’s true of any homogeneous group of people.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/118684/military-veterans-ages-tend-republican.aspx
Every vote matters, but every voting bloc isn’t equally valuable to pursue. Whenever I’ve been on a military base with a TV running, there’s a 90%+ chance it’s playing Fox News. Trump called John McCain a loser for being captured and they voted for him anyway. If a veteran VP was going to turn the tides, there are already dynamics that would have a much greater impact.
Mark Kelly is my favorite option too. If nothing else he is cool as hell and has that “great to have a beer with” quality. He’s also very white. None of these things should matter but he’s a great balancing choice for her presidency.
I like your list. I think Mark Kelly is the obvious best choice and I hope she lands on him. Novelty factor is strong, it would be foolish to underestimate the astronaut card. He balances the ticket well and might also help win Arizona.
Jon Stewart would be absolutely hilarious, though. If nothing else than for a potential VP debate with alleged couch fornicator Vance.
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Bernie Stewart 2028! Or Stewart Colbert 2028?
AOC Stewart 2028
John Stewart would be history’s ultimate press secretary.
Mark Kelly was one of the people giving standing ovations and clapping away at Bibi’s speech to Congress. That really made my stomach churn.
… Ah yeah, that is kind of a bummer.
It’s fucking so obvious that it boggles my mind that people are still gunning for him and buttigieg and shapiro. They are all power-hungry neoliberal freaks, I don’t understand how this is really in contention at this point. Basically the only thing she can do on the campaign trail is talk, and appoint a rather meaningless VP slot to show her allegiance to some kind of politics that actually gets people out and voting. If she chooses some moderate scumbag because they’re in a swing state, that’s like the fastest way for her to piss away all the good will she’s built up so far. It’s crazy, I don’t understand it.
Mark Kelly looks good on paper, but his pro genocide and lukewarm stance towards unions is a wet blanket. Do people find him genuine?
People, no. Democratic bots, yes.
lol I love that I have both these accounts tagged as suss tankies.
Lol, I’m an anarchist.
Love when y’all tell on yourselves though.
Ah yes, how reassuring. Thanks, I’ll update my tag.
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Walz is a great governor. I don’t want to lose him as one, but I do think he’d be a great pick
We get Peggy Flanagan as a replacement. She rocks. Bonus points for getting a native American female governor as well
I think Tim Waltz would be a great pick. Full authenticity. A no nonsense and non flashy Midwestern white democrat from a rural district who lead a surprisingly progressive agenda. Count me in
Timmy has been a great governor for our state.
So great
That’s actually why I don’t want her to pick him. He’s been a great governor and I want him to stay here.
Absolutely doing my part, id love to see him fail again & the Republican party get cold feet supporting him next time around as a two time failure
Kind of bothers me that her age and gender are such deciding factors for some. I think some of these people would have voted mtg if she ran.
I’ve been thinking about this story for almost a decade.
Right after the 2016 election, there was a panel with the creative teams behind US TV’s biggest political dramas. Veep, Scandal, West Wing, House of Cards, and other shows. All the panelists agreed on one point; if they’d presented a fictional character who said they ‘liked soldiers who didn’t get captured’ the networks and advertisers would have demanded that the character be shown to lose the election and be hated by all sides.
We can’t pretend that voters will do the right thing
The party demonstrated responsiveness to voters’ concerns for the first time in decades.
this is a more surface level take than actually saying “i will vote because she’s a woman”
How so? I am glad she is running she has shifted things back in favor of democrats. I just think if someone would have really cared about what would happen under another four years under trump they would have voted biden anyway.
This is why .ml had to ban its politics community
If they want to have a future, a lot more of them should get to feeling zero “meh” about voting for not donnie.
They just showed the party what to do in order to get them excited to vote.
The party listened to their concerns, and they fell in line instantly. All the party has to do to get voter enthusiasm is to listen to the voters.
You don’t get enthusiasm by ignoring people’s concerns. That’s how you get apathy and resentment.
I’m sure it has a bit to do with voters being especially loud about this issue.
I know I wrote both my dem senators (Warren and Market), my dem rep, and my dem governor (Healey), asking them to support Biden resigning a couple days after the debate. And I’m probably not alone on that.
Yes, I get why the party did what it did. Still - voting for someone based solely on something like age and color, when the alternative is donnie, is exceedingly reckless.
Do you think that’s the reason? They’re more likely to vote because the party abandoned its all too usual “Here’s the candidate we like. Fuck you, you’re voting like we tell you to because you have no choice lol.” messaging.
Morale matters.
Do what the voters want and they’ll vote for you. Not the ass-backwards “vote in perfect lockstep for us forever no matter what we do, and maybe someday we’ll think about starting the process of evaluating giving tentative consideration to half a baby step towards something tangentially related to what you want, implemented over the course of 10 years” that was centrist conventional foolishness since at least 1992.
You could argue the same thing about Kamala. Maybe even more so, to be honest.
I wanted Biden to step aside as well, but mostly because of the optics and narrative about “Biden so old” and low information voters like this.
I mean, political donors pulling support of Biden after the debate did grease the wheels for that transition.
Yes, but look at what his exit accomplished. All the people who were saying that we should ignore the concerns of young people because they don’t vote? Welp, young people are getting excited to vote because their concerns have been heard and addressed.
Compare this to where they were when Biden was refusing to step down.
That’s a funny have hat you have. I’ve got a grey one I cut the label off. Refuse to be owned like that. You shouldn’t be owned by someone. Make your way free. It’s a fight. I tell you this with love.
Not sure I understand what you are saying here.
Sorry! I poisoned myself on accident and was talking out of my head. Sorry if I caused offense.
Yeah I’m sure the party that brought them in the situation they are in to begin with is their only hope for a future. It definitely represents them and their interests and not the billionaires, hence not addressing any of the real pressing issues in the world that the new generation cares about.
Young people don’t understand voter disenfranchisement, voter suppression, erosion of constitutional rights etc.
They just understand
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Still trying to find something that sticks, huh?
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This is a refreshing change of pace. Usually I get called a shill for not being on board with Bidenyahu’s genocide.
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It’s hilarious watching Trumpists flail because they weren’t prepared for Biden to step down.
It’s sad watching how easily money can
influencecontrol public opinion.Can’t overtly call me a shill, so you’re obliquely calling me a shill.
Keep flailing for some attack that will land. It’s hilarious.
If you’re complaining about all the people who are now coming on board you should probably just stfu and get on board with the new nominee and face the facts that people calling for Biden to exit were right and you were wrong. That it did matter and it made a huge difference.
I honestly thought it was a bad idea to pivot to Harris but I was happily proven wrong. There’s so much excitement and energy surrounding her. Like a breath of fresh air. Glad to see it.
Woot woot!
She’s not perfect. Like she’s a cop and such.
Still, she’s not raping folks. She’s not grabbing them by the pussy…
It’s bad. But all y’all better get on board. It can be a whole lot worse.
I think people get too tied up with this idea of the “perfect” candidate
No candidate was, is, or shall be perfect.
Every politician that you have the opportunity to vote for will have some aspect of their past or their platform that you (or other voters) will disagree with in some capacity. And I fear that this need for perfection in their candidate is fertile ground for others to manipulate people’s attitudes towards not voting for an imperfect but otherwise good candidate.
I think people get too tied up with this idea of the “perfect” candidate
I think this is a strawman, given how much excitement there is for Harris, who is an acceptable compromise candidate.
She got behind the “defined the police” movement until she was added to the Biden team and had to back his administration’stances.
A former prosecutor who called out how overfunded police agencies are sounds like someone with pretty decent perspective from both sides. She understands both the value and shortcomings of law enforcement.
I’m getting tired of all this calling Harris a cop. She was a prosecutor but you’re equating her to ACAB.
Prosecutors are how you hold bad cops accountable, by prosecuting them. Do you condemn the prosecutors who put George Floyd’s murderers behind bars? (They were amazing!). Do you condemn the prosecutors who are holding accountable people like the Jan 6 insurrectionists, trump, bannon, giuliani, etc?
Who do you expect to do these things or do you not care if justice is done? I’m sick of this double standard.
Who could’ve told
Am I the only one sad because a “serious” publication allows a headline with “meh” instead of apathetic?
Seriousness is a plague.
I certainly hope you are.
You’re not alone, there are hundreds of Lemmy users who hold equally vocal opinions over details irrelevant to the point.
It’s in quotes, so I think they made it clear they were quoting something the young people might say.
I don’t know if they’re right that the 18-35s use that word very often, but I think that’s what they’re going for.
30yo here, I usually only use it to answer questions where I’m apathetic about the choices
What are you feeling for dinner? Meh🤷
Do 18 y/o’s actually say that though? I think the journalist might be taking into the trap of trying to be relevant to kids by saying shit we said when we were kids.
18? Yeah I doubt it
… and the following 4 years the young voters will learn that votes would be forbidden, if they changed anything. :-P
Harris would not be where she is w/o support from the elite, even if she wanted, she cannot change the system.
Anyway, hope she gets elected, so I don’t have to suffer Trump news every single day (like now). It’s worth it for that alone, so go and vote, citizens!
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Fundamentally I agree that only we can change the system.
But she doesn’t seem nearly as pro Israel as Biden and Trump. That makes a huge difference. I can hold my nose to vote for a corporate servant, but I won’t compromise on genocide. There will eventually be no one left to speak out for us.
Wtf… So you would prefer trump over Biden because Biden is too pro Israel in your eyes? What is wrong with you ?
No, I prefer anyone with less than the full throated Israel support that Trump and Biden offered.
You think they are equal?
No
Well, Biden is out but the point still stands. Saying you wouldn’t vote Biden is akin to saying you want trump, you genocide loving asshats.
Sorry, my initial comment was unclear so I revised it. I’m against the genocide, and will now vote Democrat because Harris is against it.
In other news: 1 + 1 still equals 2.
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